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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:59 PM
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60 Minutes: Putting the BS in CBS
The reason people in Tunisia, Egypt, and other parts of the world have been influenced to some extent by the work of Wikileaks is that they have read or heard about the material that Wikileaks has helped to make public. The CBS program "60 Minutes" has just published video of an interview with Wikileaks' Julian Assange -- with the video focused, of course, on Assange himself, with almost no substantive content related to the massive crimes and abuses that have made news around the globe.

The value of the "60 Minutes" video is not in its potential to inform anyone about Wikileaks. We can't, after all, judge the utility of informing Americans about their nation's illegal spying, bombing, war making, or coup facilitating until Americans are actually informed of it, which will require that we finally drop the BS "reporting" on Assange's childhood and haircuts.

The value of the "60 Minutes" video is in its potential to inform us about CBS and the corporate media in the United States, of which it is a typical or even above average example. 60 Minutes' Steve Kroft shot six hours of interview with Assange, which "60 Minutes" cut down to snippets for tv viewing. Some decent questions may have been asked. If so, they didn't make the cut.

Kroft tries desperately in the interview to distinguish Assange from respectable journalists. At one point he explains to Assange that most reporters interpret information, whereas Wikileaks puts out raw data for others to interpret. Of course, this isn't true of Wikileaks, which has often provided context and explanations, transcriptions and timelines. What it hasn't done is pile ideological spin and fluff on the information it has sought to communicate.

An example of what's wrong with the practice of most U.S. reporters is Kroft's video presentation of this interview. Kroft does show a bit of the famous "Collateral Murder" footage but "interprets" it by leaving out the criminal shooting of the van, a clear crime committed by U.S. forces in Iraq.

Immediately after accusing Assange of not really being a reporter, Kroft asks Assange why he mistrusts authority. Assange begins to answer, and before three words are out Kroft jumps to a voiceover focusing on Assange's childhood. Who knows whether Assange tried to answer the question Kroft should have asked: "Where do you see the greatest and smallest gaps between actual governmental behavior and public pretenses?" Kroft had already introduced the segment by calling the belief that governments use secrecy to suppress truth a "conspiratorial view," so presumably Kroft thought he already knew the answer: there are no such gaps.

Kroft describes Assange as paranoid and explains nonsensically: "There are reasons for his paranoia." Kroft cites Wikileaks' release of information that might have displeased governments in Kenya and Tunisia, a neo-Nazi group, and the Scientologists. When Kroft finally comes to the United States, it doesn't seem as likely a source of danger to Assange as the dreaded Scientologists' death squads. Assange points out the number of U.S. government officials and media figures who have called him a terrorist or proposed killing him. Kroft insists that not many people take seriously the idea that Assange is a terrorist. And yet Kroft later claims that Americans believe Bradley Manning, an accused leaker of information to Wikileaks, is "a traitor." Kroft cites no polling to substantiate either claim. We're just supposed to credit his wisdom as a real journalist.

Digging for a way to accuse Assange of something (just as the U.S. Department of Justice is openly and criminally engaged in trying to invent a crime for which to prosecute him), Kroft reaches for that old standby, the laughably inaccurate suggestion of hypocrisy. Kroft tells Assange that he abhors secrecy and yet runs a secretive organization. Assange rightly responds that he keeps sources secret for good reason (something U.S. journalists were once able to relate to) and that he does not oppose governments keeping any secrets at all, he opposes them covering up crimes and blocking accountability.

Well, well, well, says Kroft, you're just weird, cult-like, and paranoid -- or at least that's what I heard. Kroft always attributes his fluff and BS to others, which is what makes it "objective," although it fails to make it valuable. When the you're-weird accusation doesn't seem to stick, Kroft tells Assange that he can't be a journalist because he's an activist. When Assange replies that "activist" has become a dirty word in the United States, Kroft agrees. But Assange points out that Wikileaks does a particular sort of activism; it doesn't advocate for policies, it informs people so that they are able to advocate for or against things. This strange sort of activism could also be called journalism, if "journalism" hadn't come to mean advocacy for a corporate agenda and celebration of government secrecy.

Without noting the power of investigative journalism, Kroft does note the power of Wikileaks -- without apparently wondering where it comes from. This is another, more absurd than ever, chance to accuse Assange of hypocrisy. If you are a check on the powerful, Kroft says, who is a check on you? A-ha, caught him!

Assange replies that sources and donors would dry up if Wikileaks were not doing good work. There is a far better answer than that one. For all I know, Assange gave it and it was cut. That answer is this: If Wikileaks releases information that people find valuable and informative, then that information will make its way to those who diligently search for it on the internet or live in nations with decent communications systms. If not, then Wikileaks will be ignored. But as long as Wikileaks is interesting masses of people, any error of any sort made by Wikileaks will be attacked by those in control of governments and television networks.

When Kroft calls Assange anti-American, Assange claims the lineage of Jefferson and Madison. In fact, Jefferson, on his best days, wanted the public fully informed of what its government was doing, and believed that only an informed public could prevent complete corruption. We're almost there -- at complete corruption -- right now. Wikileaks is an exception. Those following its lead are a threat to the current system. Kroft, a so-called journalist, tells Assange that there are special rules to be followed in handling classified information. Assange corrects him. There are rules, Assange points out, for government employees and members of the military, but not for publishers. Publishers are covered by the First Amendment. Assange is right, of course, but shouldn't Kroft know this already? And shouldn't he be deeply ashamed to have published this video?

If they let you get away with this . . . , Kroft tells Assange, who interrupts to finish his sentence: ". . . they'll have to have freedom of the press." Exactly. Assange tells Kroft he's willing to risk jail for that. Kroft gives us no reason to believe he doesn't hold such behavior in contempt. No doubt the early Christian saints, if alive today, would be smart enough not to risk punishment and professional enough to intersperse advertisements for Pfizer's drugs in their pronouncements, as Kroft does.

And yet, Kroft almost certainly believes that by asking Assange about every crazy point of view invented on Fox News he has done Assange a great favor, played devil's advocate, offered Assange a platform from which to respond to what everybody who's anybody thinks of him. In an extra video on the "See BS" website, Kroft declares Assange a journalist or at least a publisher.

This extra clip, believe it or not, is an interview of Kroft by one of his colleagues who praises him for his "intellectual sparring" with Assange, as he recounts the exciting behind-the-scenes work of conducting an all-fluff interview of an actual reporter.

It's all the more frustrating to watch this crap after having spent days watching actual live television news reporting from Egypt on Al Jazeera English. The lack of journalism in the United States is not a function of the medium of television. It is a function of many systemic weaknesses, but also of our willingness to treat the pretense of journalism like the real thing.

Those who consider "activist" among the cleanest of words can get involved in preventing the United States from imprisoning or killing Assange here: http://warisacrime.org/node/56469
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:03 PM
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1. Wikileaks held a mirror up to the nature of American "journalism"
and they will never be forgiven by the presstitutes.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:25 PM
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7. Amen.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:21 PM
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46. Perhaps the "journalists" might think about getting up off their knees
and stop fellating the corporations. They might not feel such a sting in that case. Just a thought. Not gonna happen, though, is it?
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barbiegeek Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. ROFLMAO!! OMG that was funny
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:40 PM
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51. LMAO
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:24 PM
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47. Here are no journalists in America. Not one.
When I moved here 20 years ago I stopped reading and watching "news" because there wasn't any. And it's worse now.

What passes for news here is beyond pathetic. And what's worse very few here seem to know it. They think it's normal andthatthe USA has the best reporting in the world ( kinda like we have the medical care - another not funny joke, or that we have a meritocracy) . I'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic. I used to think that there was hope for America. Now I only hold hope for the world surviving the plague that this country has become.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:44 PM
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63. In the corporate funded venues, agreed. There's fine work being done
by independent journals on consumer-funded shoe strings like Amy Goodman and her crew at Democracy Now -- in fact, her lead producer is reporting from Cairo right now.

Iirc, Amy and Sharif were reporting from all over Haiti while the corporate talking heads were saying they couldn't go in until the US Army "secured" Port Au Prince. Jeremy Scahill came out of that shop, too, and Amy constantly brings good reporters and analysts on her show that no one in the corporate media dares allow on the air.





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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:31 PM
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65. While I agree with you vis a vis DemNow and AG ...
I must say that their market share is so low as to be very revealing about the media in the USA as a whole. On the whole there is not anything remotely resembling journalism in the USA.

But yah - she's a good source. The problem I have with using her as an example of good journalism in the USA is that she is an aberation these days. It's not like AlJazera, or the BBC/CBC etc which are largely credible news networks with wide audiences. Heck, even the guardian has a worldwide audience willing to pay for reporting which they provide. There is nothing even remotely like that in the USA anymore. This, BTW is why I think that media consolidation is a problem and that Murdoch and his whelps should be eradicated.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:44 PM
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67. The fact that good journalists can't work at corporate venues says it all.
:)
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. Bingo!!!!!!
We have a winner.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #65
89. The problem is that we bleeding heart liberals do seem to be in the minority
and seem to come from the working class - ie. not much money to fund good media.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #47
70. Matt Taiibi
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:59 PM
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73. of course there are journalists in the USA
and I don't think Americans believe they are getting the best health care in the world -- just the most expensive.

Watching the MSM news in the USA is a little like watching a scoreboard instead of watching the game itself. And to make matters worse, it is not an accurate scoreboard by any stretch. But the "game" of American politics is available for anyone who cares to watch. KO and TDS talk a lot about the game. And both pull significant audiences. But the thing is most Americans prefer sports to politics.

I think that is maybe a key difference. Plenty of europeans I have met are perhaps equally passionate about sports and politics. And by contrast I think Americans are, in general, seem eternally weary of politics. So if you look strictly at MSM you won't see much that looks like exploration of the facts and views on events and issues.

But you are denying that the information and journalism is out there. It is there. Few seek it.
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Pretty_in_CodePink Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:18 PM
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79. There's Matt Taibbi n/t
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:54 PM
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85. We have a few. Some of them are regular contributors here at DU. nm
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:04 PM
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2. Thanks. I can delete the program from my DVR without watching. n/t
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:44 AM
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25. I felt he allowed Julian to respond to "negative-inaccurate-public perceptions"
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:25 PM
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75. No, watch it....
I thought Julian made an ass of Croft (he has to be one of the ugliest humans on TV). Julian held firm. Plus interesting background on his upbringing.

Hell, 30 years ago '60 Minutes' would have loved to have Whistle Blowers knocking on their door....not now. They're just to spin corporate mush.

Oh....Robert Parry does good work as a journalist, imho. And we need to financially support their efforts.
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:31 PM
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76. "30 yrs ago"...my thoughts, too! :)
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:07 PM
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3. Watch the online "60 Minutes Overtime". Croft has a more flattering opinion of Assange than.....
.......you get from the interview aired on 60 Min.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:16 PM
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6. If Kroft had any real power
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 11:22 PM by senseandsensibility
he would not let the on air piece reflect a different "reality." Unfortunately, the on air piece will reach millions of people, and the online one not so much.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:26 PM
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8. Yes, I agree. I just watched the 2 parts plus the overtime segment.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:39 PM
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62. Croft seemed to sort of see Assange with awe toward the end.
He knew he was confronting someone real. You never see that on TV. Assange does not act. Everyone else does.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:09 PM
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4. Justice and the might of US power are sicked on Assange
while merely investigating actual war criminals is off the table.
Blood on corporate hands -no problems.
Show the US to be malevolent asswipes -now we got problems!
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:10 PM
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5. The medias role in our society has become
infested with rats who will do anything for money.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:29 PM
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9. The media has been performing on schedule and up to the standards of their corp owners
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:30 PM
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10. Kroft is a pathetic excuse for a journalist. After CBS fired Dan Rather,
I stopped watching. Have no plans to start again.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:45 PM
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53. I was embarassed for 60 Minutes. Kroft humiliated himself and the program ENTIRELY. I watched only
because I wanted to see Assange.. and I was thoroughly and mightily impressed at his brilliance. By his own look and his total lack of response to Kroft's tepid and childish attempt at manipulating a response, he made all American journalists look like the moronic puppets they truly are.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:42 PM
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11. Kroft is a journalist in name only. In truth, he is a paid hack.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:48 PM
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12. Yes. But, all things considered, Assange ACED the interview. nt
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:45 AM
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26. Yes, he did.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:46 AM
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27. Agree. Actually if those questions had not been asked of him, he might not had had the opportunity.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:46 PM
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54. Agreed 100%.
I thought he came out of it looking great. And I'm a good example of someone who needs convincing on him.

I don't understand how he and his supporters could be anything but pleased.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:47 PM
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82. I have to agree with both of your points.
Assange came off well, and I'm surprised at the reaction of his supporters.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:50 PM
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13. Excellent piece, thank you.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:53 PM
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14. I want the 30 minutes of my life back, that I spent watching their
interview of Assange. They really went out of their way to marginalize him and make him look like a crackpot, and failed to even touch on the impact of the actual release of information...
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:54 PM
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15. I must've seen a different interview.
Very professional,very fair.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:01 AM
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38. I saw it
And didn't have a problem with it. I thought Wikileaks came off looking a lot better than after most articles I read about it.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:34 PM
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81. I feel the same way.
I must have seen the same interview
you did.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:26 PM
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83. Croft wasn't an idol-worshipper. That was his problem. n/t
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:59 PM
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16. .To avoid unnecessary disappointment, do what I do
I operate on the premise that the mainstream media functions as the propaganda arm of the state/corporatocracy. And that's why I don't watch it expecting "fair and balanced" (for lack of a better term) coverage of important or controversial issue. I am not disappointed, then, when it is more of the same spin and bullshit that I have come to expect. On the occasion when a program or article seems reasonably fair and balanced, I allow myself to be pleasantly surprised that this time a reporter somehow got a smattering of real information past the censors editors.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:32 AM
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21. Just like listening to Radio Moscow during the Cold War...
or any other broadcaster sponsored by a national government.

They won't tell you the facts - you need to parse their interpretation
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:09 AM
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17. Kroft's amazement that anyone could think US/State Dept could do any wrong???? rofl
with almost no substantive content related to the massive crimes and abuses that have made news around the globe.

good of Swanson to pick that up!



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:18 AM
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18. Kroft also never mentioned Manning in "Isolation/torture" ... but ...
this was a 6 hour interview they reduced to about 10 minutes? Less commercials?

I'm surprised Assange bothered with this -

Obviously Kroft either likes to do dirty work for CBS or he felt he had to --

both Kroft and CBS are disgusting--!!

And, glad someone else noticed the "collateral" video was essentially cut to be meaningless!!

All in all, what this should tell you is how frightened both CBS and Kroft are of actual

journalists and actual truth in reporting!!

Turn the TVs off if you really want to have an effecgt on the right wing!!

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Eurobrat Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:20 AM
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19. Didn't like the interview.....
....still hoping Assange releases what he's got on the Bank of America....
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:25 AM
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20. kroft is just another 'tabloid schmuck'.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:14 AM
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22. Kick. (nt)
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:28 AM
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23. The fitting response from Wikileaks to this interview
should be release of secret communications between media news editors and corporate owners and sponsors, plus release documents on military and political censors and propagandists' inputs into the US tabloid news.

Also exposing why Al Jazeera news is censored in the US would be educational.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:47 AM
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28. lol! No kidding.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:42 AM
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24. America does not practice journalism but rather "advertising". Main media
outlets are always selling in one way or another.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:11 AM
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29. Kroft's premise that journalism "interprets" is incorrect. Editorials interpret.
Hard news reports facts and direct quotes, but interpretation of facts is a direct violation of a journalist's prime directive: to remain objective.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:27 AM
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30. I miss Ed Bradley and Harry Reasoner
Steve Kroft and Leslie Stahl are not at all in their league.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:33 AM
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31. i posted the interview on political videos section and only got around now reading it
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/26/60minutes/main7286686.shtml

WOW. Kroft didn't even bother addressing "no substantive content related to the massive crimes and abuses that have made news around the globe." That "liberal mainstream media" has hardly even towed the "Bush war crimes" line at all. Ugh.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:20 AM
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32. CBS, the network that fired Dan Rather
is just another propaganda outlet, just not as blatant as Pox.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:26 AM
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42. You're right.
CBS propaganda is more effective than Fox propaganda because it is more subtle.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:47 PM
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72. Affirmed (NT)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:43 AM
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33. your piece is a mess of contradictions and leaps of logic


Your kind of "journalism", sir, is just as dishonest and agenda driven- or more so, as that which you rage against. Yeah, hypocrisy. And here's just ONE example from your piece:

"If they let you get away with this . . . , Kroft tells Assange, who interrupts to finish his sentence: ". . . they'll have to have freedom of the press." Exactly. Assange tells Kroft he's willing to risk jail for that. Kroft gives us no reason to believe he doesn't hold such behavior in contempt. No doubt the early Christian saints, if alive today, would be smart enough not to risk punishment and professional enough to intersperse advertisements for Pfizer's drugs in their pronouncements, as Kroft does."

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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 11:10 AM
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44. +1

n/t
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:05 PM
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86. I hope you're talking to Croft, not the OP. nt.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:57 AM
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34. Good analysis of corporate media spin
...the ongoing attempt to kill real reporting...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:22 AM
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35. I will have to check out the interview - but all of that sounds correct
great analysis
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:26 AM
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36. It was a disgusting interview..
... and to be honest, I didn't think Assange handled it all that well. I was shouting answers at the TV that would have worked better than his :)

He did ok in spots, like when the idiot asked "who his watchdog was" and he said "the people who supply me with the leaks". But in other cases he let the chance to make a really good point go unanswered.
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amb123 Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:53 AM
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37. This is why I stopped watching 60 Minutes when Don Hewitt died
and Mike Wallace retired. That's when 60 Minutes ceased being true journalism and became tabloid fodder like the rest of today's "Mainstream" Media.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:03 AM
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39. My definitions for the networks for years has been
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 08:04 AM by hobbit709
ABC-Anything But Class
CBS-Commercial BullShit
NBC-Nothing But Crap.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:50 AM
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41. NPR
National Petroleum Radio
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:47 PM
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55. Is it true that the Koch Bros have a piece of NPR?
Heard it in passing recently.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:01 PM
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74. Or "National Pentagon Radio"
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:29 PM
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49. TV = Mental bubble gum nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:47 PM
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64. Cr@P Not News & From Old X-files.
:)
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:10 AM
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40. 60 Minutes?
Is that piece of crap still on the air?
I can't imagine why Assange agreed to be on that show in the first place.
Unless they paid him well for it...
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:53 AM
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43. it was pretty pathetic ...
I was watching it, thinking :wtf:

Then, the segment about the leopard came on and made me smile. An utterly stunningly beautiful cat. :)


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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:02 PM
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45. K&R


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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:29 PM
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50. This is an excellent analysis.
Thanks for the thread, davidswanson.:thumbsup:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:49 PM
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56. Kroft sucked, and Assange gave me optimism that we can prevail over mediocrity and crime.
I wanted to slap that jerk, Kroft. And even he is a cut above the fray. Assange used what I can only imagine is his logic skills associated with programming computers, to avoid the traps laid in his path by his interviewer.

We need more like Assange. It's needed in order to combat the offenses of the Limbaughs, and Fox bullshitters and their likes.

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Disintermedia8 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:00 PM
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57. I completely agree, David
and for some time I have postulated that the real value of network news is to serve as a gauge for how far removed the general American public is from reality.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:17 PM
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58. "The Insider" movie showed when 60 Minutes lost integrity
Haven't watched 60 Minutes in YEARS.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:20 PM
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59. Excellent review. What was far more interesting than Croft's
inadvertent demonstration of exactly why we need Wikileaks, were the comments after the show aired. Almost 100% of the comments slammed Croft for his unprofessionalism and declared how impressed they were with Assange.

If the goal was to discredit Assange, who came across as extremely intelligent, rational and most of all, honest and refreshingly free of any guile, it failed completely. Croft accomplished the exact opposite of what he tried to do. Unless, as some commenters pointed out, he was actually playing Devil's Advocate in order to give Assange a platform to answer his critics. That would be the only excuse for his poor performance as a journalist.

He did say that Assange cannot prosecuted without the NYT and CBS's 60 Minutes being prosecuted. Something most intelligent human beings pointed out from the start.

The contrast between these two journalists was striking. Only one of them is willing to take the consequences of telling the truth about corrupt governments.

Thanks for the post. Too bad Croft did not ask him about their work in Kenya eg, or the exposure of the corrupt bank in Iceland. People are yearning for truth and Wikileaks is providing it. I hope he remains safe from our government.

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:30 PM
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60. Excellent, and right on the money!! Kroft is just a stooge, playing the part of a reporter.
Assange answered every lame question and stupid accusation with a decent answer, probably waiting for the real questions to start any day now.

Fuck, doesn't Kroft get it?
That leaked video is of 2 Reuters NEWS REPORTERS being gunned down by an Apache helicopter crew!!
Along with 10 other bystanders, none of which were holding anything remotely looking like an RPG!!

And yet the fucking Army defended that crew's actions!!
Jesus, why are we even discussing this shit?
Why aren't we in the streets telling Obama and the warmongers in Congress to get the fuck out of Iraq and Afghanistan NOW!!!!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:37 PM
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61. Assange showed integrity and courage.
And Kroft showed why Wikileaks is important -- because the media personified by Kroft in this instance is sneaky, dishonest, biased and cowardly.

I hope that Kroft enjoys his money because he sold his integrity to get it.

I would like to see an interview by Kroft of, let's say, Cheney or Bush or Obama or Hillary Clinton or any leader that the media sucks up to. Put the two interviews side by side and you will see the corruption of our media. They throw soft questions at those they see as powerful, those they believe somehow pay their salaries, and really tough ones at someone like Assange.

Assange is downright brilliant. And Kroft is just not very bright.

Kroft made a fool of himself.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:33 PM
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66. Wow... a well-thought out and reasoned original post on DU.
I didn't think we did that here anymore. Usually something this long is just a bunch of ranting or bullshit cheerleading.

While I hold the same feelings of contempt for the US media as you, I didn't have such negative feelings about the CBS interview. I thought Kroft was just playing devil's advocate, unfortunately in the only medium that still exists on US television. I felt that he was sympathetic to the subject, but unfortunately attributed far too much to "others" and "some people", which really should never be done in journalism... but this isn't really journalism. Taken as American info-tainment, I thought it was pretty good.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:53 PM
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68. As I was watching this, I kept thinking of Colbert at the Press Club
How the applause from the press started off strong, then became tepid and died away as they realized Colbert was also calling them to account for not doing their jobs.

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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 03:50 PM
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71. Broadcast TV 's 20th century "expose-like" center-right programming for social, and political
issues is left in the dust by the 21st century sites of overseas bloggers and certain websites.

Local news, sports and weather, and watching entertainment like movies, ect.. is mostly all that it is worth to many on the adult left, at least for those who are or want to be more politically aware. Unlike what Palin and those of her ilk claim. The drawback is that people who, like my mother or wife are not politically curious or do any research, and only know what they learn from it on TV, and even my longtime Democratic-voting mother has had Faux News on when I visit her, although she no longer votes due to her age and health.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:33 PM
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77. K & R, bookmarked
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:57 PM
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78. This would be the same 60 Minutes that
Dropped the ball on Jefferey Wigand (who's no sait) and let it roll downhill.

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TatonkaJames Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:26 PM
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80. Kroft still has the mindset that .....
being the antagonistic bully who puts words in your mouth is good journalism. He's a sell out,
asking scripted questions for the owners of CBS.
Assange needs to pick his interviews more wisely even if he did it for the money.
The best and worst thing about the interview are those who watched because we understand
Assange and those who watch it faithfully and aren't politically savvy, and see him as one of
the adjectives Kroft used to describe him. Nice attempt to brand him.
60 Minutes, tabloid programming at it's worse.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:51 PM
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84. David my friend, you'll never get a job in network TV with this attitude.
God bless you.
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:29 PM
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87. I just came out of a press conference with David Frost who interviewed Assange
the presser was here is Sydney where he is doing a 2 night stage show with Michael Parkison-they interview each other about their careers.

..he had some very interesting thoughts. Perceived Assange as 'soul less' before he met him but warmed to him during the interview.

Asked what he thought of Assange and Wikileaks- "no self respecting journalist could possibly find fault with what Assange is doing as it's exactly what investigative journalists should be doing "

also : for all DU members-I asked him who were the most impressive people he had ever interviewed:

answer : Nelson Mandela and surprise- Robert Kennedy who Frost said was the most intelligent politician he had ever met.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:45 PM
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88. I'm sorry, Assange has already admitted that he's an Anarchist
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 10:46 PM by johnaries
and his ultimate goal is to bring down all governments. Also, if you read the assault charges against him - he just is not a good human being. No, he didn't "rape" those women in the conventional sense, but it reveals a very selfish individual who tries to manipulate everything and everyone to his desires and wishes.

Wikileaks only reinforces this.

He is not a journalist in any sense of the term.

He is irresponsible.

I appreciate transparency in Government - but transparency without context can be twisted. Just look at Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly.

Assange did nothing more than a "data dump". How much of that data is inaccurate, we will never know. It doesn't matter, because now it's accepted as fact whether true or not.

And that is the real problem.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:30 AM
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90. K&R.
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