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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:49 PM
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The army will not go against the people
yousifrustamani Yousif Rustamani
RT @Swediie: Egypt army has just told the crowd gathering at Tahrir Square that military will not go against the people #Jan25 #aljazeera

I need to find confirmation
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:51 PM
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1. that's consistent with their behavior so far. n/t
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:52 PM
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2. How old is that tweet? (eom)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:00 PM
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5. ten minutes
also there is more, Al Jazera showed messages on an M1-A1... We are on the people's side, and do not let the enemy divides us.

Lower ranks (that includes officers) are with the people.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:19 AM
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15. I tried to PM you
when you see RT that means it's a retweet. To find out how old it is, click on the name after RT and work your way to the original.
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rollin74 Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:52 PM
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3. I hope that is correct
it makes me wonder why they're erecting barricades at the entrance to the square
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:54 PM
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4. I don't think the army troops will, no...
But, I do have concern about some of the senior officers. This could get very hairy.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:21 PM
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6. nadinbrzezinski
nadinbrzezinski

in 1989, when Tiamen Square was happening, the local army and police forces was sympatic to the students who was demostrating... In the end China had to put forces from other places, to quell the demostration.... And it all ended in a horrible bloodbad....

It can still end this way, if the government of Egypt deside to queell it... Hopefully the old bird would not do that, and hopefully it can be solved with some form of peace..

Diclotican
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:24 PM
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8. Fully agreed
except there is a major difference.

In 1989 the uprising was limited to Beijing. The uprising here is all over.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:17 AM
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14. nadinbrzezinski
nadinbrzezinski

True, the uprising in Egypt is far larger than it was in CHina.. Even tho it is rumored, that the uprising of the students was also spreading to other parts of China.. Quite a few City's in the interiour of China was closed down for weeks untill the Bejing case was closed once and for all.. Mostly becouse the students there was also part of a uprising.. Something that the current and then leaders of China feared more than everything else.. They know what social unrest can do, to a country where "social harmony" have been the ruling guidlines for centuries... The current leaders in China, are the grandsons/dauthers of the same men who was revolting against the THEN leaders of Cina, and they know really well that the social contract between the communist party, and the chinese pepole could, and can end up in open revolt if not enough of them are content with the life they are living... In some cases, we can say that the current Chinese leadership, is the current Chinese dynasti.. Even tho it is not any emperor on the top, many of the same systems are in place, as they allways have been in China for more than a thousand year... The Communist party are the current emperors, and the current leadership are really afraid of social unrest who can undermine their own suport in the public.. After all even a Mao could not have risen to the top of China, withouth the chinese support from the masses.. No one can rule China for long, if they have not the support from the masses.. And that is something they know about...

I was a young kid in 1989, Im was starting in 6 grade, so I have to say I was not so interesting in most of what happend there then.. But some of it I managed to get a hold on, And I rembember some parts of it... But after as I grew up I read a lot more about Tiamen Square, and what happend in the end, when the uprising was ending in bloodbath... Many students are still missing, rumored to be in remote parts of China, under hevy guard, most posible for the rest of their natural life...

On the other side, Tiamen Square started also the opening of China, to the rest of the world.. Even so carefull the chinese leadership have managed to open the gates, withouth the floodwater drowing them in the prosess.. And today China is a country who would posible outmaster the rest of the world in a couple of centuries.. Some claim that US would be outmatched by CHina by 2020... But I for one doubt that, mostly becouse China, outside the big City's is still a rather poor country, with a lot of disfrancished farmes who have no share of the wealth the middle and upper classes are building up.. Mostly the farmeres are poor, and even in the Big City's most people is rather poor to most standards in the west.. But of course that wil change, and the middle class in China is bigger than the US (Who it looks have been schrining for the last 3 decades).. But even tho the ECONOMICAL life have been reformed, and are now more capitalistic than most capitalistic country - the political controll are still in the firm hand of the communist party.. And somehow I doubt that Chinas Communist Party are anyone near the posibility that they want to release THAT power to the public... As long as the pepole is content with the posibility of beeing a millionare, or maybe even a billionare, the communist party wil be in firm controll of the ruling of the country - and as events the last couple of years have shown, as long as you keep it to the money no one wil harm you.. But if you danger the POLITICAL ledership int he country, you are in deep troubles.. And some have had to flee the country, to US and other country's who want them.. Or end up in a prison for a long time.. Not nessesary becouse they have been doing some crimes, but becouse they have messing with politic.. You just don't do that in China.. If you are not member of the communist party that is... And have the right type of connections...

Diclotican

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:22 PM
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7. If the soldiers defect Mubarak is finished.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:24 PM
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9. Mutiny.....that's what it is. Mubarak will have no control without the military.
Thanks for posting....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:26 PM
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:28 PM
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11. It will be interesting to see if this plays out. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:29 PM
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12. The video from AJ is one thing
if this is the case... it will be.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:29 PM
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13. "a Paki paper"?...
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 11:30 PM by SidDithers
how about a Pakistani paper, or a Pak paper.

Paki is a very derogatory term.

Sid
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:24 AM
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16. Mubarak has always served at the whim of the Army
The military has been the effective rulers of Egypt since Nasser took over. They are not going to back a loser and will bide their time and then re-inject themselves in later. The only question is what form or who this will take.

L-
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