When I hear "What do the OWS Protesters want?" I cringe! Really? Maybe "they" need pictures......

[1776Forever]

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/thousands-show-job-fair-jobless-rate-rises/story?id=14336519
Thousands of unemployed waited overnight, camping out in their business suits and office heels and braving the tormenting heat in Atlanta to stand in line for a job fair Thursday. Authorities treated 20 people for heat exhaustion as they struggled to keep the line moving and get people moved inside.






http://jceworld.blogspot.com/2011/09/america-usa-archbishop-says-preach-on.html
USCCB REPORT: One in four children living in poverty
African-Americans, Hispanics have higher rates of poverty, unemployment
Catholicism calls for giving priority concern to poor, vulnerable in society


One American dies every twelve minutes due to no health insurance

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/279409#ixzz1eMCLEWDq

............

In this Thanksgiving week when millions will not be in their own homes and/or without health insurance in the "richest" country in the world - Do we really need any more of a reason to protest? For God's sake this is reality to millions of our citizens! Happy Thanksgiving Mr. Boehner et al - Yes it will be a good one for you I am sure!


Source: occupywallst.org

[xchrom]

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[WingDinger]

2. As soon as OWS issues any demands, they will declare us all terrists.

[brooklynite]

3. Unrec'd

I assume your assertion is that the "Occupy" wants the problems outlined in the photos addressed. But in the absence of specific demands as to how to achieve those changes (revise tax rates? new bank regulations? campaign finance reform?) you are leaving it to the politicians you blame for the problem to decide what the solutions should be, and in what order they should be implemented. The absence of state demands also creates a vacuum into which allied but outside the mainstream voice can shout "socialism" or "anarchy" (or even "end the Fed") or other fringe items that are going to make it a lot harder to gain the support the average voter.

[1776Forever]

11. Specific Demand list for those that need to read it...........

http://occupywallst.org/

[Donald Ian Rankin]

27. Thankfully, those are the demands of one madman, not of the whole OWS movement.

If you're trying to *increase* support for the occupy movement, for the love of all that's holy don't present that list of (mostly) idiocies as representative of anyone other than the cretin that wrote it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. The PRINTED demands are paft of the OP

You could also go look for the Common Sense for the 99%

This they have no demands is a FAR RIGHT wing meme.

[Vincardog]

4. find one of the GOP handing out checks from the tobacco industry ON THE HOUSE FLOOR during a vote =E

[dkf]

5. What people want to hear is a solution that is more than magical thinking.

OWS offers no path to success.

[kestrel91316]

7. Yes, we are well aware that you are in love with the status quo.

[dkf]

9. Pah I want solutions not complaints. The secret is that people just want to vent.

That is what I see.

[1776Forever]

12. Sit back then and keep silent - You have that freedom to do just that. n/t

[Fantastic Anarchist]

34. Your eyes aren't open.

How can you expect to see anything?

[1776Forever]

8. Just added.........And I believe OWS Protesters will make a difference in the

next elections - but they want results:

http://occupywallst.org/

[dkf]

10. So open borders... Anyone from another country can come and get a living wage without being employed

Honestly does that even make sense?

People also have to be realistic about how you do this because by looking at just that section...it's magical thinking up the wazoo. Those aren't solutions. They are contradictory.

[1776Forever]

14. Not all these will become reality but they state a need for some of the protesters. This is an open

forum with Majority rule so just because someone places it on the list doesn't mean it will become "rule of law".

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. You are aware you can go to a local GA

and block what you don't like right? Democracy... it is messy.

[dkf]

21. Honestly I think I would be driven nuts.

I would probably be sitting there all day telling them why their solutions won't get them to where they want to be.

What we really need are technocrats. Sadly I don't feel confident in man on the street led solutions.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Well then, when the regular elections do come around

stay home, and trust the technocrats that are doing so dandy right now.

No, the solution is NOT in the streets, but it is PART of the solution

[dkf]

36. If OWS were discussing the solutions and their implications I would be dancing.

I don't feel like I hear policy discussions at all, at least not more than a 3 minute soundbite.

Sometimes I feel like I get that here and I learn things, but not all the time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. You need to get out of the house

And go down there

Discussions are happening. Some solutions are silly...some are very comprehensive.

Read the common sense for the 99%. Or a more condensed version in the statement of the general assembly.

It Is daft and lazy to say they are not proposing anything, and a right wing narrative.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

35. Go be a commissar ...

Technocrats? Really?

[dkf]

37. I know I'm not an expert in this sort of thing. I might trust Krugman.

[hughee99]

19. What does the living wage matter

since they'd be able to borrow money over and over without ever paying it back (with no credit tracking)? Provided they could still find someone willing to lend money.

[Marrah_G]

16. OWS is not there to come up with the solutions

It is there to bring the issues to light, wake people up and to pressure WASHINGTON DC to DO IT'S FUCKING JOB.

[AntiFascist]

22. +1, OWS is the result of what happens when things get screwed up...

the more things are screwed up, the louder the movement will become.

[yodermon]

17. the "path to success" will foment, or the movement will die.

BUT! The movement CAN'T Die because what's happening is that people are DESPERATE, fucking DESPERATE, and powerless, and the social media has now provided a way to near-instantaneously ORGANIZE even while desperate. And this is empowering.

come on, look at this shit:

Shit like this can't continue, the people will revolt.

#OWS is the natural endpoint of collective desperation. Feel free to criticize desperation.

[Divine Discontent]

20. +1!

how can a movement die if we're still in the same shitty situation we we're in to begin with? the GOP tools are fools for saying this.

I just gave it to a Guy I know from out west. he sent a forward with a nasty letter to the editor about OWS being a bunch of dirty hippies who just want open drugs, sex in the streets, and to take everyone's money for handouts. I corrected him about who is mostly there and what they're there, and how it ain't dead (the call for real change). he's a vet so I sent vids of other vets from his war talking about the banksters fraud.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

33. I don't see you offering a path to success.

[kestrel91316]

6. All the RW shriekers on KFI (local fascist radio) keep saying that OWS

is about completely destroying our financial system and taking 100% of the assets of everyone with money and distributing it to the poor.

I don't know why I listen to them. "Know thine enemy", I suppose.

[1776Forever]

18. Thanks to Famesucker for this pic of Dorli Rainey - A heroine of the people & their cause!

[Nye Bevan]

23. Well, the US defaulting on all Government bonds (#11)

is one way to balance the budget, I guess.

Bummer for all the savers and pension funds who are invested in Treasuries, though. Oh, and that would include the entire Social Security Trust Fund.

[Zorra]

24. My face is sore from the constant facepalming. More toons on this:

[1776Forever]

25. Wow they speak large don't they! Thanks! n/t

[Donald Ian Rankin]

26. I would, quite literally, take a Republican over that list of demands, especially #11.

It would, on a short time-scale, lead to a global economic collapse that would make the great depression look like a fluffy little kitten. If the only alternative was LloydJhart I'd vote for pretty much anything else, up to and including Sarah Palin - at least there might, conceivably, be a possibility of recovery after her.

The first demand is also criminally insane - Smoot–Hawley was one of the major causes of the depression.

#2 looked sensible until I read beyond the first line. State provision of health-care is an excellent idea; banning private provision of health-care is a daft one.

And a "fast track" process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end? While turning off your nuclear power stations at the same time? At a time of global recession? *Before* you've got the alternatives in place? Invest in renewables first, *then* cut back on fossil fuels if it works.

Outlawing credit reporting agencies? What? Why? What on earth makes him think that that could possibly be a good idea? Presumably he has some vague idea that it would make it easier for people with bad credit ratings to get loans, but what it would actually do is make it much harder for everyone else to get loans.

One trillion dollars in ecological restoration? Ten to the power of nine? That's not a policy, it's a number he's picked out of the air because it sounded large, without thinking about what it actually is.




A few of the others look like quite good ideas, but after that steaming heap of excrement that's not really relevant.



I very much hope that LloydJhart and his insane, ignorant, catastrophic economic illiteracy are not representative of OWS. If it were, it would make them unambiguously the bad guys, albeit not dangerous ones. But from what I've seen, most of them appear to have their heads screwed on a little better than that.

[1776Forever]

32. I agree with you - I don't think anyone could agree on all these ideas but they are ideas and OWS is

making people talk about what they want - All of these will change over time. If you haven't listened to one of their General Assemblies please try to catch one. They are very interesting and they are ideas, not proposals at this point. We'll see where it goes.

[TBF]

29. K&R nt

[butterfly77]

30. They know...

exactly what we want,they want us to name one particular thing so that they can play with it until the next election.

They are the great pretenders and some of these people who think because it hasn't affected them yet it won't but, sooner or later it will, even some of the 1% know this...

[1776Forever]

31. Well said! n/t