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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:20 PM
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New tactic--What the police are doing...
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 12:24 PM by CoffeeCat


We've recently seen TWO videos of the police backing away from protesters (One at UC Davis where
the protesters were pepper sprayed. Also, at another venue in California, where the protesters were smashed into bushes).

At first glance, it's easy to be overjoyed and view these incidents as victories.

However, I believe it's a ploy. Why would the police--who are fully equipped with military-style
weapons, wielding dangerous batons and armed with pepper spray--back off?

Think about it. Oakland Mayor Quam let it slip out that dozens of mayors participated in a conference
call in which Homeland Security and other law-enforcement officials advised mayors on how to handle
OWS protesters.

That call wasn't initiated out of concern for public safety. No doubt, it served as an instructional
session on how to harm, destroy or hurt the reputation of the OWS movement.

They have failed at making us quit. They have failed at trying to incite us into violence. Furthermore,
they are completely paralyzed by the cell-phone camera. Any violence on the part of the police goes
viral and only grows the movement and increases disdain for the police.

So--what do they police do? They're now attempting to position themselves as the victims. They police
are now scared and overpowered. Why, just look at them backing up out of fear! The police are scared!

Look at this quote from Annette Spicuzza, UC Davis Police Chief, "There was no way out of that
circle. They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation."

It's important to understand what the 1 percent--and their willing minions in city government and in law
enforcement are really doing. They're getting footage to support the notion THAT THE POLICE ARE INTIMIDATED
BY OUT-OF-CONTROL PROTESTERS WHO ARE VIOLENT.

It doesn't matter that the protesters aren't violent. Not at all. They'll only show the footage of police
backing away from shouting protesters. They'll lie and say whatever they please.

The danger, I fear--is how this fits into their big picture. What exactly are they planning to do with this
new meme? What will they justify in the coming days and weeks?

I may not have it all figured out--but I know for certain that the police backing away is manufactured drama--and
it's being produced for planning and marketing purposes. Police who are militarized and armed to the teeth--do not
back away. It is counter intuitive.

It's important to be aware what the one percent--and their complicit forces--are doing.




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firehorse Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:24 PM
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1. police "manufacturing drama" - good point
I noticed this in NYC, after they realized that the protestors actually had jobs and owned homes then they decided to scare them with lawsuits if police got harmed. The next logical step would be to manufacture some staged drama for all their cameras. It's the new reality tv.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:27 PM
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2. If the pigs were scared of being attacked by the surrounding crowd...
You'd think they would have directed their truncheons and pain spray at the surrounding crowd, not the people sitting in the middle.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:28 PM
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3. In many of the NYC videos, it appears other officers block the view of the cameras
i mean the officers not physically involved in the incident itself. they're positioning their bodies not to stop you from approaching, but to keep the incident from being recorded on film.

again and again, you'll see an officer confront someone filming an incident, but often not make the person move, just make sure their body is blocking the filming.

obviously, i'm suspecting this is no accident.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:29 PM
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4. Orwellian, Rumsfeldian bullshit that they probably pay a PR firm for.
Just like shutting out the press during raids by calling it a "crime scene". If a crime was committed, the cops should turn themselves in.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:44 PM
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7. Yes, and I have worked...
..with and for PR firms. I know a campaign when I see one.

For sure, this is "b-roll" that they're shooting for a campaign against OWS.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:19 PM
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14. I'm sure you're right. It's concocted. nt
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txwhitedove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:35 PM
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5. So, considering this may be true, will it be used as justification for use of bigger weapons? Say
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:43 PM
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6. We don't know yet---
...but attempting to use theater tactics to position the protesters are out-of-control
and threatening--can't be a mistake.

All other attempts to stop this movement, by the police, have failed.

The one percent are getting desperate. They're afraid. When Fascists are afraid they
often resort to violence.

I wouldn't be surprised at all--if we are seeing the beginnings of a campaign that will be
used to justify further police brutality that will be ratcheted up in the coming days, weeks
and months.

The problem is--the cell-phone camera. Any violence or brutality will only bring out more OWS
supporters. For every supporter out there in the streets and on the sidewalks--there are thousands
more rooting for them.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:56 PM
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10. they seem to want more people and escalation from crowd
Now that I think about this -- they want full out riots. The poking, the shoving, the attacks on peaceful people -- this is designed to escalate. Why? What is the purpose of this for local law enforcement?

We now know of the coordination. And we know that police chiefs belong to an organization that trains them in tactics -- an organization that even does the screening and recruiting of police chiefs and thus has the ability to stack America's PDs with ideologues.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:52 PM
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8. the Portland "tactics" seemed odd too
Protesters would repeatedly be incited by police. Then police would back off and relocate and incite a group at another location. Wherever the police weren't, there was no tension -- peaceful protesting. Wherever the police were, they would start shoving and the crowd would get riled.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:20 PM
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22. Police need to think about how they're "threatened" by elites/corps taking their jobs/benefits -- !!
Our police department in my town has been whittled down to nothing.

Traffic cops replaced by traffic lights --

20 years of attacking their wages and benefits!!


Only the cops who are willing to crack heads for elites will stay on -- !!



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Quartermass Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 12:53 PM
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9. If you're the good huys you have nothing to hide.
And therefore you shouldn't be blocking people from recording you. If people shouldn't hide behind lawyers if they're not guilty, the police should not be blocking people from recording to hide their actions. If they are hiding their actions, then they are doing something wrong and should be held accountable to it.

But, alas, the police are above their own rules and standards they expect everybody else to live by.

And will never be held accountable. For the police are special special people.

Disgusting.

They have their rights too, but NOBODY should be above the law.

And I will continue to maintain my statement. If you're the good guys you don't have anything to hide.

By their actions ye shall know them.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:04 PM
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11. Maybe, as soon as cops appear the Occupy
people should just plop down on their asses, right where they are. Be just like the ones in the video, only everyone is sitting, not just the ones in the middle.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:11 PM
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12. Well I can feel sympathy for the police. It must be uncomfortable
when you get so excited that you wet your pants in all that ninja turtle gear.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:14 PM
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13. My guess is they are ramping up the "disruptor" numbers and
putting them into action so it looks like the police are the victims of violence. Since we all know the OWS is non-violent, they have to manufacture violence.
Hope OWS will isolate the disruptors so they can be identified as to who they are and who hired them.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:30 PM
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15. Damned if you do, damned if you don't
Sometimes they are all in on the evil plot to corral.

Oh, wait.. I mean ... the evil plot is to back away...

There is no winning. People just want to blame the police for doing their job.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:07 PM
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21. If by "their job" you mean pepper spraying 80 year olds in the face..
I agree...

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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 10:22 PM
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26. You mean to tell me "their job" is to drag a woman by the hair?
Or beat the head in of a young man who wasn't resisting?

If that's their job, they need to be fired, arrested, and to occupy a prison cell.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:36 PM
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16. Yes, those vicious students were armed with dangerous weapons.
Cell phones and cameras.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:49 PM
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17. Weren't the NG at Kent State "threatened" by protesters?
Is that what this is going to justify?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:22 PM
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23. What a fake that was ... !! Fully armed/trained and firing on campus of peaceful students!
And didn't we also have a false flag operation there by FBI --

fire set, as I recall?

Blamed on demonstrating students -- !!

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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:54 PM
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18. not buying it
The police backed away because of the epic fuck-up of the one dude enjoying playing with his pepper spray cannister. They knew his actions would create the inevitable backlash they have which is why they confiscated his toy and they left. Sorry, but these guys with guns, batons, helmets, shields, tear gas, pepper spray and all their other military might isn't going to convince even the most stupid of individuals that they have to back off because they're scared of the protesters casually standing around or sitting down not doing a damn thing.

The police chief made that stupid lying remark because it's HER ass on the line as the chief, and the only thing she can possibly do to save her own butt is to attempt to make it appear that there was even the slightest bit of justification for what occurred rather than one of HER officers so blatantly acting like the worst of thugs in the least of volatile circumstances.

The police will do what they always do and ratchet up the brutality in the hope that it provokes retaliation by the protesters so they'll have the excuse to beat them all down completely and end this.


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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 09:22 PM
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25. Exactly...

the police chief flat out lied about when the cops were surrounded. It wasn't until after the incident, when the crowd became very, very angry.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:02 PM
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19. Then we need a new rule: Do not corner the rats.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:04 PM
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20. They will be thrilled when the executions begin.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 09:07 PM
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24. That's very scary...
...but the police violence seems to be escalating.

If you look at that Davis video, there are two cops who are pointing their weapons into the crowd
of students, and those officers look awkward and unsure of what they are doing.

Someone is going to do something really stupid, you can just feel it.
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