Romneycare adviser: Obamacare is 'the same f–king bill'

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11/17/2011

In an interview with Capital, a New York-based online magazine, a key Mitt Romney adviser who helped craft the presidential contender’s controversial Massachusetts healthcare reform law called out his former boss for attempting to put distance between his own law and Obamacare — saying there was “zero difference” between the two.

“They’re the same fucking bill,” Jonathan Gruber told Capital. “He just can’t have his cake and eat it too. Basically, you know, it’s the same bill. He can try to draw distinctions and stuff, but he’s just lying.

“The only big difference is he didn’t have to pay for his . Because the federal government paid for it. Where at the federal level, we have to pay for it, so we have to raise taxes.”

“Our plan was a state solution to a state problem,” Romney said during a May 12 speech in Ann Arbor, Mich. “And his was a power grab by the federal government to put in place a one-size-fits-all plan across the nation.”

But Gruber called Romney’s hedging the “most blatantly obvious case of politics trumping policy I’ve ever seen in my life.


read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/17/romneycare-adviser-obamacare-is-the-same-f-king-bill/

[TheKentuckian]

1. That is essentially correct. Before that it was a Heritage Foundation scam.

In the middle it was Gingrichcare/Dolecare.

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3. the mandate especially

I wonder how far they can go with a straight face. I read today that Gingrich is 'cautious' about his lead in the Iowa polls. I know he's thinking someone's setting him up for a sting or something.

[ProSense]

13. Hmmm?

"In the middle it was Gingrichcare/Dolecare."

It was in Clinton's plan too. In fact, it has been in almost every health care reform bill going back decades.

It's like Romney writing his own narrative and buying into it: doesn't change reality.

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17. from what I remember

then-Pres. Clinton turned to that plan as his last resort after failing to achieve support for his original proposal

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2. What I want to hear: First debate, first response to Mitt..

"I want to thank the governor for his contribution to the healthcare reform bill that I signed."

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5. yeah, Bernie Sanders was in on it too

what a dino :eyes:

:sarcasm:

[Edweird]

6. Yes, it is. It is FAR RW garbage.

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7. the health-care reform law in Massachusetts

was seen as a national breakthrough when Romney signed it an elaborate ceremony — complete with a fife and drum band — at Boston’s historic Faneuil Hall on April 12, 2006. It was attended by an array of prominent political figures in the state, including the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, a longtime champion of health-care reform.

Kennedy warmly praised Romney at the event, saying, “You’ve led the way over the long and winding path to this moment.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44854320/ns/politics-decision_2012#.TsWns1aLPXJ

[Edweird]

8. None of that changes the reality that the individual mandate is FAR RW policy. Sorry.

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12. I'd wager it doesn't survive

it's a huge burden on an already over-burdened working-class

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14. No one

"None of that changes the reality that the individual mandate is FAR RW policy.

...says "FAR RW" like Krugman:

An interesting day for polling. On one side, a majority of Americans now support the individual mandate. Since that’s the core of health reform, this basically means that proponents are slowly winning the argument. If we make it to actual full implementation, this reform will be irreversible.

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[Edweird]

15. This illustrates exactly why I find the Gallup polls so lacking in credibility.

The same people that try to convince me that Liberals overwhelmingly support Obama (despite all evidence and motivation to the contrary) also try to convince me that policies peddled by Newt Gingrich and passed by Mitt Romney AND CAMPAIGNED ***AGAINST*** BY 'CANDIDATE OBAMA' are now 'progressive' or 'liberal'. It's comical. It's also chock full of fail.

[ProSense]

16. Wait

"This illustrates exactly why I find the Gallup polls so lacking in credibility."

...Krugman cites the poll, but what does Gallup have to do with Krugman's support of the mandate?

[Edweird]

18. What does Krugman's support of the mandate have to do with ANYTTHING?

It's *STILL* FAR RW policy.

[TheKentuckian]

9. Teddy killed better plans. I think with age and failure he became receptive to about anything

labeled "Healthcare Reform".

I honestly don't care though, the plan blows chunks and has since its inception because it is designed to maintain and prop up the for profit system and combat any move to a sane method of delivery and funding.

It became a white whale to many and the details got shoved to the side to "get something done".

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11. do you see it moving all the way forward, mandates and all?

there are opt-outs - there's the 'Empowering States to Innovate Act' the President supported.

[SpiralHawk]

10. tsk

tsk