Holy fucking Tiny Infant Jesus, are the people in my office clueless or what?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

Occupy Chicago marching outside our window. The comments start. "What do they want?" "Do they even know?" "Get job" (said the relative of a local celebrity) etc, etc, etc. Then I started talking and they all shut up. Then of course one of the resident idiots decided to tell everyone out loud that a couple Hollywood douches are splitting up. She figured that would change the conversation. Which it did. So back to my head phones. As soon as I'm done here I'm going out there to join them.

I almost forgot the best part. "Oh look at all those buses. This is clearly organized!"......Ummm those are the buses the city called up for the mass arrests :eyes:

Oh and did mention these are self described "liberals"?!!

[gateley]

1. I think they're indicative of the majority of Americans - those

who still have good jobs and so haven't been paying attention. :(

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

3. The whole get a job thing always gets me. That's the whole fucking point!!!!! nt

[FedUp_Queer]

82. I agree.

I work down on Broad Street in NYC 1 block from the world's largest toilet which doubles as a casino and brothel (aka the new york stock exchange). I have seen cops all over every day for 2 months. Recently, cops in riot gear, helicopters the whole militaristic, Gestaatspolizei meme. I keep asking myself: Why does it seem I'm the only one who has a problem with this? Isn't anyone uncomfortable about this enormous cop contingent? Then I read this article today. (http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/10/18/wall-street-firms-spy-on-protestors-in-tax-funded-center/). Really...what the "F" is going on?

[MedleyMisty]

5. I have a good job

With a local company, and the company owner is as ethical as he can be in American culture.

I'm paying attention and I care. It's not hard. People who don't care are selfish assholes, with the blood of millions on their hands. Billions, if you take into account all humans and other living beings killed by the 1%.

[gateley]

9. You're one of the aware ones. The majority aren't. I'm surrounded

by such people.

[newspeak]

42. so, did you inform them that those are the buses

that are there for arresting protesters? How about the protesters are protesting corporate influence in our government against the will of the people, protesting the corruption on wall street that got us into this mess? Or unfair trade agreements, that's why they don't have jobs.

[madinmaryland]

15. The other point, is that a lot of people absorb their news from the M$M and I am not

referring to Fox Noise. If you watch the nightly news or catch snippets on the radio, there is no real discussion of what they are talking about.

The closest I have seen is discussion on NPR. Any real discussion is found with Olbermann and the team on MSNBC in the evening. You can be show those folks never watch any of these.

I remember the dark years called the Reagan era, and watching McNeil/Lehrer News Hours for in depth discussions. People just don't watch or read things that will help them understand what is going on. They get a corporate biased snippet and just believe it. Sad.

[me b zola]

21. In many instances i really do think it comes down to comfort

There are many who will not "get" it while they are still comfortable and have a sense of security. They don't know that they are one bad circumstance (like losing their job) away seeing things in a much different light.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

25. Yuppie. I've been on the other side and it puts things in perspective. nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

30. Goddamn Droid keyboard! I meant to write Yup. nt

[onpatrol98]

79. That's a good point...

[valerief]

2. Bwah! Clueless. nt

[MadrasT]

4. Rec'd for creative expletives in the title...

...I know some folks get upset about the Lord's name and all, but it made me LOL after a long day. :toast:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

14. Thanks. I need to give the credit to Ricky Bobby. nt

[Obamanaut]

55. it certainly is an eye catcher. nt

[Graybeard]

6. They just parrot what they hear on Rush, Hannity, etc.

Not an original thought in the bunch of them.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

8. Except for Rush. None of these people know the rest of those asshats are. The fucked up part

is that these are self described "liberals". All of them except for the right winger who's almost never in the office.

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. There's enough corporate media bobbleheads spouting the same bs about #OWS

that these self described "liberal" don't necessarily have to know who the rest of these asshats are.

They can just turn on CNNMSNBCABCCBSNBC and hear the same "what do these protesters want/what do they stand for/what their demands/who is their leader.....er


It shocks me that any 99%er who is liberal would even think such things as "get a job" let alone mouth it out loud. :wtf:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

35. Well that's my point. They had no idea who Glenn Beck was a year ago. And if they heard his

diatribes they'd be disgusted because of their supposed open mindedness and liberal inclinations. Now, if they were to watch that newsmodel moron on CNN that was mocking #OWS from a trading floor on Wall St. They'd be like "Right on!". None of this is surprising to me. But I'm glad i could vent here.

[Generic Brad]

48. Does that include Elizabeth Warren?

She has done nothing but support and foster this movement but today she is being vilified as just another liberal who doesn't get it because she will not sign an "Occupy Harvard" pledge. If she is included among the "self described liberals" then I am good company.

This movement has tons of people within the existing system who have the authority and influence to bring millions of working people over to this cause and to effect long term change. But if you and the majority of protesters want to tell the sympathetic people in power that we all clueless, stupid and "fake liberals", then go ahead and keep marginalizing us. Attacking people in positions of power who can actually he

I have been poorer than most of you will ever be (At the end of 1984 I had a net worth of $30.00). I am also married to a legal immigrant. In the past three decades we have experienced injustices and prejudices first hand that are far worse than any you are protesting today.

But I suppose stating this is a total waste of time. Your minds are already made up. Go ahead and put me on ignore because clearly I am part of the establishment like Elizabeth Warren and my opinions and advice are worthless.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

49. What in the hell are you talking about? Are you sure you're replying to the right post? Elizabeth

Warren, what?

[Generic Brad]

50. Yes. I am replying to the right post.

She is being attacked today because she will not sign an "Occupy Harvard" petition.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

51. And that has to do what with my post? nt

[Generic Brad]

52. Self described liberals

I describe myself as a liberal. So does Elizabeth Warren.

But apparently we are not the right kind of liberals.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

54. I'm talking about specific people in my office that I've worked with for years. I'm

talking about about people who were making stupid comments about "get a job" and "these people don't even know why they're protesting". These same people consider themselves liberal. How do i know? because they've said it. When I asked them if their snarky comments were based on the research they'd done on the movement. They all admitted to having no clue about the situation and never bothering to look it up for themselves. I don't expect or care if other people who consider themselves liberal agree with me or not. But do some research before opening your mouth. I know most of us at least try.

Now, when you and Ms. Warren make asses of themselves in this fashion. Let me know and I'll start an thread about it. In the mean time this has nothing to do with you or her. i could give a shit if she signs or doesn't sign some pledge or whatever. her actions once she's elected are what matter to me. I don't put words in other people's mouth and i do my best to exercise my reading comprehension. So please extend the same courtesy to me. Anything else?

[oldhippydude]

69. not trying to be devils advocate here..

but i find the same thing in talking to other "liberals".. they are sadly uniformed, as appossed to the right wingers who are intentionally misinformed.. while MSNBC has some good prime time coverage, and Current is featuring Keith O. the rest of the media (increasingly even NPR) is either pretty vanilla or soft right..

perhaps the biggest cause of this is the treatment of the news as entertainment.. i remember entertainment tonight in the 80's along with the news.. since then the information value of the news has deteriorated to almost pure entertainment, along with more than a little propaganda.. we apparently now have a choice.. do you want your propaganda with or without entertainment is the new "you want fries with that?"

i remember when the news used to cover such things as "should America have an SST" intelligent conversations about the b-1 bomber, even semi technical discussions of MIRVs (multiply targeted re-entry vehicles).. both the print media and the broadcast media are shadows of their historic 4th estate origins..

a while back i came to the conclusion, that i could not hold an intelligent conversation with a right winger.. we had 2 different paradigms, and vocabularies.. i now am faced with the same thing with other liberals.. i am forced to get my news from the internet, in defense of my fellow liberals, I'm convinced the process of news migration has been so gradual that they don't know they are uninformed.. like the frog in the pan of boiling water..

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

74. That's pretty much it. I won't claim it was ever ideal. But I do remember growing up

listening to people talk about many different things. Sometimes deep. Sometimes not so much. But that's OK. Now, if it's not about entertainment. No one gives a shit.

[JuniperLea]

10. That's how it is all over...

When you try to talk specifics, they shut up because they know nothing at all. SQWWWAAAAAAAK!

[HopeHoops]

7. Just yell, "HEY - LOOK OVER THERE!" and take their coffee cups away.

You can't cure stupid. You can cure ignorance.

[HuckleB]

19. Or put it to sleep.

Please don't take my coffee cup!

;)

(BTW, point well taken.)

[Bozita]

11. My daughter sent this office memo re: marching in Chicago NOW

I told her I'd be marching with them if I were there.

Here's the memo:


Loop Demonstration/Rally in Progress - Possible Transportation Delays

The City of Chicago has informed us of protest activity taking place today, November 17, 2011. The Service Employees International Union (SSEIU) Local 1 will begin assembling at 3:30pm at the Thompson Center for a demonstration. The group is expected to begin marching at approximately 4:00pm. The anticipated route is north on LaSalle Street from Randolph, towards the LaSalle Street Bridge. A “Civil Disobedience Act” is expected to take place when the group arrives at the bridge. Street and pedestrian traffic in the vicinity of LaSalle and Wacker will be impacted. The city has anticipated approximately 500 - 600 patrons in attendance for this protest.

The police will be in full force and have started setting up barricades along Lake and LaSalle Street. They anticipate this to cause a traffic disruption for approximately 2 hours.

The shuttles will begin an alternate route along Kinzie Street to Canal instead of the normal route from Clark to Randolph and Canal. Please plan accordingly as delays are expected due to major arteries being affected. We will provide updates as more information becomes available.

[chowder66]

12. What does "getting a job" do to stop political corruption?

What does "getting a job" do to stop lobbyists, republican obstruction, money in politics, voters rights, health care for all, etc?
How does "getting a job" work when companies can't hire everyone or refuse to hire the already unemployed?

Your co-workers may identify themselves as liberals, but they are really just "liberal" ignoramuses.

Good comeback on the buses even as sad as that is.

[TalkingDog]

26. Nice. +1

[quakerboy]

13. Sitting at an Occupy event

We broke up into small groups, after having been evicted, to talk about what had happened and where to go next. My small group had about 10 people in it.

Several people suggested that we should do a variety of things. A roving, perpetual, 24 hour march, with people taking shifts, then going home. Or move to the next step, go home and do advocacy. Or go home, and show up to reoccupy again when the police guard dropped. Or go home, and organize a bunch of street corner discussion groups all over the city.

Then others pointed out that they have no homes to go to, other than Occupy.

There is a definite disconnect

[Liberal_in_LA]

16. I've heard similar

[Stinky The Clown]

17. "Self-described Liberals"

I love that term.

[Fumesucker]

31. I suspect those are the ones a certain poster keeps putting one liners up about.. n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

44. I suspect I suspect the same thing!

Ha!

Ayup.

[HuckleB]

18. I overheard an employee at an arts supply store today.

She went on and on about how the Portland occupy protesters just have no clue. How they would have been treated so much worse in the '60s. She then tries to argue that protesting against the Vietnam War (as if that was the only thing people protested against in "the '60s"), "at least had something to complain about." When another customer noted that the Occupy movement (and us as 99 percenters) have plenty to "complain about," she actually started to defend the Vietnam War. It was surreal. Suddenly, a manager asked her to do some work in "the back." Smart manager!

Ugh.

:(

[flamingdem]

20. Guy did you catch the march? nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

29. No, because I'm an idiot. I had to finish my deadline after posting here so i could take off.

I left the office about an hour later I figured i could reach them still because such a big mass of people would move slowly. But I walked in the opposite direction. I went north on LaSalle but apparently they had done a turn and went south.

[flamingdem]

37. dagnabbit

nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

38. I know. Good thing I'm not in charge of organizing any of these actions.

The movement would be screwed. :P

[Rosa Luxemburg]

22. The TV generally shows the protesters with beards

oh look there is a bearded liberal!

[unapatriciated]

24. most protesters and those who have been out on a long strike have beards.

When we were on strike for over four months (CA grocery strike of 2003) hubby let his beard grow for two reasons.
One was the cost of shaving daily on little or no income.
The other was it was winter and where we lived (Mammoth Lakes. CA) we had over twenty feet of snow and below zero temperatures.
Many working class viewers understand why many protesters have beards.

[Quixote1818]

23. I feel your pain. Been in this situation too many times! nt

[MattBaggins]

27. Get a job... Get a Job...

How fast would those idiots shut up if those people without a job walked into the office, went up to the boss and said whatever you pay that guy over there, I will do his job for 10% less.

Republicans want just that environment to occur. All the idiots who want UI bennies to end should be careful what they wish for.

[NNN0LHI]

28. I know many self described "liberals", who voted for Reagan twice

And shortly thereafter they were driving their imported cars to the unemployment office.

And they still can't figure out what happened. It is a mystery to them.

Bush the Idiot once had a +90% approval rating which kind of shows a lot of self described "liberals", aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

Don

[Bowwowwow09]

33. Bush had a 90% approval rating because of 9/11

At that time, any president would have had that rating. For a few weeks, America forgot about Democrat and Republican and just cared about the safety and future of America. But it didn't take long for the partisan bickering to start back up again.

[NNN0LHI]

34. LOL

You think if President Obama had driven the country into a recession with tax cuts for his wealthy friends and let a 9/11 type incident happen on his watch, in his first year in office, he would have had a +90% approval rating after doing that?

Are you joking with me or do you really believe that?

For the record even I would not have approved of President Obama if he had done that.

Don

[Bowwowwow09]

43. Lets not try to rewrite history, the tax cuts were very popular with the public

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html

Bush started with a lower approval rating than Obama, and it jumped to 90%+ right after 9/11. Bush saw much more hatred when he first took office because of the crap in Florida. Obama had people who hated him from the onset, but the numbers prove you wrong.

In 2001, hardly anyone cared about the deficit. We just had a "balanced" budget from the last year Clinton was in office. Most Americans were in favor of the cuts because they wanted their $500 check, and thats all they cared about.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1570/change-public-opinion-desirability-tax-cuts.aspx
"The good news for President Bush is that this centerpiece of his legislative agenda appears to have substantial public support, with 56% of Americans saying they favor the tax cuts he has proposed and just 35% saying they are opposed. Furthermore, by a 54% to 39% margin, Americans approve of the way Bush is handling the issue of taxes."

Bush had a 90% approval rating because we just experienced the first major attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor. Maybe you don't remember the fall of 2001, but Americans were afraid of another attack. They got behind Bush because he promised to prevent another attack. We did not know all that we now know about 9/11 and the information known by our government. Remember how much American loved Rudy Gulianni after 9/11? Americans wanted to feel safe again and we idolized those who promised to do so.

[crim son]

77. For the record, I was part of the ten percent who still didn't

become zombies just because of 9/11. An awful lot of my fellow DUers also did not credit the shrub for doing anything other than what any other president would do after such an attack. But you're right: lowering taxes is always a popular move.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

36. Shit, my boss was bitching the day after bin Laden was killed. I even heard him telling his

dad on the phone that if there is some blow back because of that it should be directed at Obama and not "us". :eyes:

[progressoid]

39. Sounds like most of America.

[krabigirl]

40. Yes, they are clueless, like many Americans. They also hate when anyone challenges the status quo.

And parrot what they hear on teevee "news."

[BlancheSplanchnik]

41. try giving them some substantial info; if they're self-described liberals

they should be willing to read. I thought this link is pretty good; might make it clear for them:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2330366

this too, might be helpful: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2332744

Breathe, try to calm down (I know, it IS infuriating, but again, if they say they're liberal, that means they know something), and try to remember that they are probably victims of poor information, but not necessarily willfully stupid/hateful/racist/regressive

[Lorien]

45. Then it's your duty to give them a clue

Take their idiotic comments as an opportunity to set the record straight. A friend of mind did that with his idiot brother in law, who spewed all of the MSM disinformation about the OWS movement. My friend asked him "Do you think that corporations deserve "personhood"and special influence over our political process? Do you think that outsourcing jobs is good for America? Do you think that money equals speech, and that those with the most money should write public policy? Do you think that banks who gamble recklessly deserve a 16 trillion dollar bailout that you and I pay for?" When his brother in law said "no." then my friend said "well, neither do the people in the Occupy movement, and THAT'S what this is about." his BIL got it and now understands what we want and think that it's perfectly reasonable (even though he himself is one of the 1%). As for the "get a job" statement; remind them that there is only one job opening for every four unemployed people in America.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

47. Maybe the OP wasn't clear. I did. After about a few minutes of trying to have a real conversation.

In which by the way they were unable to refute anything I said. Somebody shouted that some Hollywood jerkoffs are splitting up and the conversation went that way.

[JDPriestly]

46. Show them this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2337714

[bullwinkle428]

53. K&R. Kind of explains some of the comments from some "liberals"

here as well! :evilgrin:

[Deep13]

56. It's time we realized that "liberal" is just "conservative lite."

Real change cannot come from within our ossified institutions. It has to come from the capillary level.

[iamthebandfanman]

57. republicans won the word war

and nobody knows what a liberal is anymore.

if youre a democrat, you must be a liberal...
and other variations...

thats the only reason the Obama administration really makes me nervous... most of the policies are carry overs from bush yet theyll get labled 'liberal ideas' ... so we'll get the blame when they fail

sad.

[eppur_se_muova]

58. Clueless or deeply in denial? How many are a paycheck away from defaulting on their mortgages?

People are terrified to dwell on such things. So terrified that they end up burying their heads in the sand. If no sand is available ...

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

59. There is one specific person here (the same one who did her damnest to derail the

conversation) who might as well stick her fingers in her ears and go "LALA LALA LALA..." every time I speak on certain topics.

[Initech]

60. I see someone has been watching Talladega Nights lately...

"Dear tiny infant Jesus..." :rofl:

But seriously they are clueless, probably in denial too.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

61. "I like to picture Jesus in a tuxedo T-Shirt because it says I want to be formal, but I'm

here to party."

[Initech]

73. I like to picture Jesus as a ninja fighting the evil samurai!!

:rofl:

[MrMickeysMom]

67. I like to imagine these liberals holding on to their little baby Jesus...

... while thinking that everyone has a job.

[Harriety]

62. It's the MSM. They paint OWS in a really bad light.

[watajob]

63. Amazingly enough...

... the resident Teabagger at my place of employment tried the gooper talking points of, "jobless bums, on the dole" and the WH shooter was an OWS participant and was promptly put in his place by everyone else, by people, who up to this point, never uttered a word of politics. So, there is hope, (I hope!).

[Doc Holliday]

75. That they do, Harriety. Oh, yes indeed.

One of our local (Lubbock, TX) radio stations went by where our small and very well-behaved group of Occupiers are camped out, allegedly for an interview. Their "interview" consisted of such relevant, topical questions as "Do you kids even know who the Secretary of the Treasury is?" and "Are y'all smoking marijuana down here?" Since the Occupiers know far more about current events than the nimrods from the radio station (which is primarily an outlet for Texas Tech sports broadcasts), they left in short order with heads hanging. Oh, darn...no 'gotcha' soundbites to mock with! My personal favorite moment was when the 'smoking weed' question was asked. The respondent graced the radio dipshit with an incredulous look and responded, "Are you stoned or something?" :rofl: :fistbump:

Understand - From the moment our OccupyLubbock group came into existence, local media has been bending over backwards to portray it as a bunch of unwashed, unemployed, drug-abusing ignoramuses (ignorami?) who only want a government handout....despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They've been subjected to the scorn of the ignorant, such as the radio nimrods, and also a certain amount of verbal excrement such as the ubiquitous "Get a job!" This being Texas (and West Overalls, Texas at that) the word "hippie" is often thrown in at no extra charge (along with the occasional empty Lone Star longneck)-- though I'd be amazed if any of these anti-protesters have ever seen a "hippie" anywhere but on a TV screen. :hippie:

The saddest thing is that most of my fellow Texans seem to have a knee-jerk reaction to any kind of protest movement. "My Country, Right or Wrong." "God Said It. I Believe It. That Settles It!" It's that kind of place. I suspect that the "America-- Love it or Leave It" bumper sticker probably originated here, though I have no proof of it. But this is Natalie Maines' hometown as well...so maybe things balance out a little.

[southernyankeebelle]

64. Well friend conservatives aren't the only ones that have idiots you know.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

65. That I've known for a loooong time. But I just needed to vent. Although right

wingers tend to nominate theirs for higher office.

[pnwmom]

66. This is why we need a very simple message: JOBS. JOBS. JOBS.

Whatever the OWS people think they're saying, it's not getting through to the majority of the public.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

68. To give these guys due credit. There was a large number of people with "Jobs Not Cuts" shirts. A lot

of them. Also the gigantic banner they hung from the bridge had the same message.

[pnwmom]

70. Yes, there are. And there are a lot of other signs, too. And I've read dozens of "demands"

from OWS on this site.

I think they'd get a lot more support from the average working person if they really focused on jobs.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

72. This is the first time I'd seen so many on the same page. Hopefully as it matures it

will get more focused.

[DaveJ]

71. Self described liberals? They're probably too frightened.

A lady in my office started to describe what 99% meant to her friends and they went into dumbfounded silence, and then she said "oh it's stupid." I think she just was frightened of being considered a downer in her normally happy go lucky click. They will follow the popular crowd and as soon as they realize the 99% is, literally, the majority, they will change their tune.

[kestrel91316]

76. Liberal yuppies are a tad too "comfortable" for my tastes.

[The Wizard]

78. If the corrupt bankers

who extorted taxpayers' money under the pretext that not getting colossal bailouts under the threat of crashing the economy, the economy would recover if they circulated that money instead of using it for bonuses based on failure. Circulating money puts people to work and eliminates the need for street demonstrations. Blowing up Pox (Nazi propaganda) News would also go a long way to restoring a degree of civility.

[Tutankhamun]

80. I thought the RW spoke for holy fucking tiny infant jesus.

Someone should make a Christian web show and call it the holy fucking tiny infant jesus show.

[katty]

81. yup, they are one step away for no job..and what happened?!!