NBC reports, airspace over NYC is being closed.

[EFerrari]

https://twitter.com/#!/NBCNewYork/status/137291910460096512

[maddezmom]

1. had a feeling this was coming down, was watching the ABC aerial and it went to basic traffic shot

[EFerrari]

7. The only purpose I can think of is to hide what is happening

but if that is the aim, it's too late, imo.

:shrug:

[maddezmom]

15. it's not good what ever the reason. there still is a camera with a wide shot

that livestreamed has grabbed..probably from a building.

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

[dennis4868]

33. to hide what is happening?

WTF are you talking about? This place makes me laugh...haha!

[Occulus]

53. Okay, Sparky, GIVE us a rational reason to close the airspace.

The police don't want to be the ones seen "doing it" if it all goes in the toilet for them.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

[maddezmom]

36. guy on ustream here says there are helicopters in the air

:shrug: cops or media not sure.
http://www.ustream.tv/TheOther99

[EFerrari]

45. The thing to do is to to the NBC stream for updates or correction.

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

47. And here it is:

https://twitter.com/#!/NBCNewYork/status/137298469688836096

[Dover]

56. Lots of high vantage points in city buildings. But OWS needs some balloon cameras...n/t

[Zorra]

Drones coming in, or is it just to prevent video/journalists from recording truth? nt

[Ohio Joe]

17. Yes, Obama has authorized a drone strike

:eyes:

[Zorra]

28. Um...it's a cynical joke. nt

[FiveGoodMen]

57. Don't be ridiculous!

He would never do that!

(BEFORE the election)

[hack89]

37. Frees the airspace for police helicopters. nt

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

50. Police helicopters fly about 500 feet lower than news helicopters

Every city has regulations to allow both law enforcement and the news media do their respective jobs safely. With gyro-stabilized cameras and extreme telephoto lenses, the broadcast media is able to zoom in on the action on the ground.

I didn't know a city could designate a no-fly zone. I thought only the FAA and the military had this power.

[hack89]

55. I suspect the FAA will not question the city's request

they are not going to put themselves in the middle of a potentially messy political situation - they would not have a valid reason to say no.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

58. City never requested it apparantly

[hack89]

60. Not officially anyway. nt

[ProgressiveProfessor]

63. And it never existed...

[hack89]

65. So the city unilaterally made the decision and the FAA acquiesced.

what's the difference?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

66. There was never a TFR over the park due to police activities

The person who started the thread on it yesterday later posted NBC retracted the erroneous tweet.

City does not control airspace, the FAA does. The FAA never instituted a TFR over the park.

[Renew Deal]

2. Probably something bad coming.

[gateley]

3. The networks should be outraged and make a BIG deal about this.

"What don't the police want us to see?" That's should be the opening line of the news tonight.

[stillwaiting]

61. That line of thought and inquiry is only allowed when this type of activity happens in

foreign countries apparently.

Actually, our MSM is such shit that I don't watch any of it anymore. Hopefully SOMEONE is bringing up this point because it is an extremely pertinent one.

[democrank]

4. USA11! USA!!1 USA!!!!!111111111

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

5. Surely to keep those OWS protest helicopters from occupying the sky

What other reason could justify it?

[Quartermass]

6. It should be.

BUT considering the media is owned by the corporations too, they won't say a dmaned thing about it.

[Fire Walk With Me]

8. Here we go.

[Occulus]

9. Isn't this twice now?

And when the hell has this ever been done before regarding any kind of protest action?

Who in their right minds thinks this is okay or in any way acceptable?

But those who stand with the police in this matter have a problem. Everyone watching this can now quite justifiably say that the police very clearly are planning on/counting on having something to hide by the end of this.

The worst case is that they're closing the airspace because they intend to use live ammunition and they don't want the press to have any chance of IDing who fired when and from where. A more mild scenario involves more Scott Olsens getting hit with canisters etc. In either case, this places a pall of suspicion on any violence committed by the police present once the airspace is closed.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

13. Did not happen earlier, nor now

FAA not NYPD controls the airspace

[Fire Walk With Me]

18. Cops also ignored a judge's order to allow the protesters to return to Zuccotti

and punched a woman in the face, who was proffering the document.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

22. They cannot enforce a no fly zone.

Even if they do have MANPADS, they are not going to shoot down civilian aircraft under these circumstances.

If the media really wanted pictures, they would already have locations allocated in/on local buildings and the cops could do *nothing*.

[Fire Walk With Me]

26. They definitely cannot enforce it, but they've demanded it nonetheless.

Which is why the copter pilot should outright refuse and #OccupyTheSky.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

27. How have they demanded it?

Announce it on multicom?

[Fire Walk With Me]

29. All I know is what was linked in the OP, reported by the helicopter crew.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

31. I don't believe it is an accurate report

NYPD will get spanked by the FAA if they start declaring closed airspace.

Asking another helo to move up a little bit so there is less mutual risk is understandable.

[Fire Walk With Me]

38. The FAA are possibly also owned by the 1%, so nothing would occur.

We'll see...

[ProgressiveProfessor]

43. If it was a declared TFR it would be have to be announced

and available to aviators via the Flight Service Station network. Best I can tell there is not one. If it is not announced it does not exist and can not be enforced.

[lumberjack_jeff]

10. Bad governance requires disobedience.

Closing airspace so that the public can't see the Tianenmen square 2.0 is bad governance.

If the FAA is behind it then so is Obama.

[Uncle Joe]

11. They don't want the American People, nor the world to see the size of the protest.

Thanks for the thread, EFerrari.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

12. FAA doesn't think so...and they control the airspace

FAA is current showing no TFRs in New York.

Check for updates here: http://tfr.faa.gov/tfr2/list.jsp

[Zorra]

19. They do? You mean, they own the sky too?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

21. No, the airspace

Which has specific meaning legally.

[Zorra]

30. Ah, I see, kind of like the imaginary corporation people. nt

[ProgressiveProfessor]

32. Aviation rules in the US are pretty clear about this kind of thing

NYPD can not summarily declare no fly zones.

[intheflow]

62. At the bottom of the page is this disclaimer:

"Depicted TFR data may not be a complete listing. "

I agree that NYPD doesn't have the inherent authority to close airspace, but if working with a federal agency, it could happen. And would probably not be publicized.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

64. I checked with Flight Service

Which is what the disclaimer says to do. Nothing there either.

[malaise]

14. Again

Damn!!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

23. No, it never happened the first time this rumor made the rounds

[Gregorian]

16. So I guess as long as Congress doesn't abridge your right to free speech it's ok to squash.

It doesn't say the police don't have the right to abridge your right. So go ahead and be a fascist country. But remember what JFK said.

[hifiguy]

20. This is neo-fascist bullshit

There is NO FUCKING REASON to close airspace other than an attempt to draw a cloak over the barbaric behavior of the thugs that call themselves cops. Outrageous. :grr::nuke:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

24. No it just bullshit. The airspace is not closed according to the FAA

[EFerrari]

34. Then it's FAA's waffling bullshit because those choppers are

not allowed in the air. Gee, haven't seen FAA juggle blame this handily since 9/11.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

44. Why do you think they are not allowed in the area?

Single tweet that does not match up with any other data source? Sounds pretty weak to me.

[EFerrari]

49. I've posted NBC's correction twice to this thread.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

59. Roger that...timing issue between our posts

[City Lights]

25. Ugh.

Fuck TPTB.

[malaise]

35. Looks open on M$NBComcast

Al has live video

[Skidmore]

39. Can't people with cameras make use of the building roofs to

record? Low tech solutions for high tech tactics.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

46. I f the media wanted to cover things, they would have done just that

[HopeHoops]

40. Oh that's just fucking peachy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Color me surprised

[Rex]

42. Is it social engineering yet? Can we declare a 'soft porn' police state now?

FUCKING PATHETIC.

[EFerrari]

48. FWIW, NBC tweeted a corection:

@NBCNewYork NBC New York
CORRECTION: Chopper 4 pilot misunderstood directions from the tower. He was NOT ordered out of airspace over protests. #OWS #N17


https://twitter.com/#!/NBCNewYork/status/137298469688836096

[countryjake]

54. I was wondering...the CBS stream was still up, last I looked...

with aerial view of protest.

[JNinWB]

51. Rename "Tempest in a Teapot"

Yet another alarmist OP

[gkhouston]

52. Yeah, to prevent the country from being terrorized by reality. n/t