There is NO conspiracy to uncover regarding the mayors that partook in their common conference call

[Tx4obama]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45312298/ns/us_news-life/#.TsMlFT1Fu7s

Excerpt:

SNIP

Ruiz said mayors on the Nov. 10 conference call merely traded notes about what was going on with Occupy protests. News of an overdose in Vancouver, British Columbia, and a hit-and-run in Washington, D.C., were among the topics.

The mayors also noted that in each of their cities residents were asking about endgames and timelines, of which there were none, Ruiz said.

The U.S. Conference of Mayors says it schedules calls more than once a month but less than weekly so city leaders can discuss issues or whatever is on their minds, organizers said. Email invitations are sent to members, who are free to phone in or ignore the calls.

Regarding the Nov. 10 meeting, the mayors talked about protesters during a round-robin discussion after a short business agenda, the group said.

SNIP


I hope that helps :)

[Safetykitten]

1. Well I feel so much better now. Next time you talk to the prez...say thanks!

[Scurrilous]

2. Thanks.

K & R :thumbsup:

[elleng]

3. Thanks, Tx; nothing like facts,

except for the unrecers.

[quinnox]

4. Still, that seems odd that all the crackdowns happened

at the same time, like it was a co-ordinated effort. Excuse me if I'm a bit suspicious of the mayors story. Perhaps they aren't being entirely honest here.

[Safetykitten]

5. It was completely worked from DC. No doubt about it.

[quinnox]

8. I think that is a distinct possiblity

I mean, lets say the mayors did have some kind of agreement, would they really say so? Don't think so, they would put out a statment like this instead.

[greyl]

7. Post the crackdowns you're talking about along with the date and time they happened. nt

[Contrary1]

39. October 11...around 2:00am

Don't know if it was a conspiracy, or not. Just a bit strange that so much was happening at the same time.

Boston
St. Louis
Atlanta
Seattle
Dallas

Maybe other cities, don't remember. Several of us were watching the live feeds.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=2095133

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=2095461

There may be more threads, if you want to look for them. Maybe do a search on "Wall" or "protests" for that date, and see what pops up.

[No Elephants]

52. Wow, you complied with that outrageous demand?

Clearly, you are much kinder and much less impatient than I.

But, I'm sure it's cool because of the gracious response you got.

BTW, I noted the similarities long before Oakland's Mayor mentioned the coordination. Not sure why anyone who was awake needed proof.

[greyl]

68. My "outrageous demand" was a request for someone to publicly present their case.

Apologies for being outrageous.

[greyl]

65. The conference call in question was November 10!

Maybe the DUer I asked the question of can supply a useful answer.

[slipslidingaway]

10. And they happened when Obama left DC ...

I know.

:tinfoilhat:

[hifiguy]

84. Yup. Coordinated actions all happening at the same time

all across the country. Just a coincidence, nothing to see here. :sarcasm:

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[MADem]

9. I thought this was the case days ago. It made sense based on her comments.

Not all of the mayors participating in those calls shut down their cities' encampments.

The President of the Mayor's Conference is the Mayor of Los Angeles.

Mayor Bloomberg of New York did NOT participate in the conference call.

+1, but the little marker ain't moving! Oh well.

[unionworks]

11. that's because

I unrecced it - made my b.s. alarm go off and woke me out of a sound sleep. :)

[MADem]

19. When Michael Moore claimed that Obama was behind the mayor's conference call

my bs alarm shorted out. And we heard that beauty first.

[unionworks]

46. LMAO

I just came from another thread blaming Michael Moores tweets for the eviction of the occupiers in New York! That Michael Moore is EVIL, dude!:tinfoilhat: :rofl:

[MADem]

50. I never heard anything like that. But he did make accusations on

Olbermann's show, and he did send out that tweet suggesting federal collusion without anything to back it up.

I don't think he's evil at all; most people don't. Some might not agree with all his POVs, particularly vis a vis Ralph Nader.

I think he has some valuable contributions to make--I loved his "Awful Truth" show on BRAVO years ago.

I do think he shot his mouth off without offering any proof of his most recent assertions. He still hasn't ponied up any evidence for his claims, far as I know.

[sabrina 1]

14. They are shutting them down. They are still doing it.

However, because of the brutality of the attacks by the military style army of cops these mayors sent into each of their cities, the outrage from the public is causing them to try to be a bit more careful, although watching today, it appears to be hard for them to NOT to be brutal.

Someone needs to answer for this use of force which has been more like a military operation against peaceful American citizens, and if think this will satisfy anyone, especially those who were wounded, some permanently, such as Scott Olsen and Kayvan Sabeghi who had his spleen ruptured, Olsen who had his speech literally removed, they are very much mistaken.

Was this the result of their 'consultation'? To attack peaceful protesters with hundreds of heavily armed, disguised, robo cops some of whom had their badges covered?

Sorry, all of them need to go if they think this is acceptable in a democracy, and I suspect many of them did end their political careers when they ordered this war on American citizens.

[MADem]

16. Bloomberg did NOT "consult." He shut down the OWS in NYC at Zucotti Park.

LA and Boston are still up and running.

This suggestion that there was nefarious collusion is just not proven.

It has nothing to do with "acceptable" or "unacceptable," the accusation is simply not proven.

[sabrina 1]

37. Boston is up and running because they pre-empted an attack

They went to court yesterday after watching all the other attacks in other cities, and won a temporary injunction against a police raid on their protest. The ACLU represented them. The mayor is not pleased.

I am making a list of all the attacks, one happening right now in Dallas, and the names of the mayors. Several others occured yesterday and today. All identical. What a coincidence that all these cities should just happen to use the exact same tactics AFTER this 'conference'.

And why did the mayors not stop these attacks? If they were 'just consulting' why would they not step in after watching the brutality over the weekend and order their cops, as the Boston judge has done, to abandon these attacks on peaceful protesters? Not one of them did so.

As for Bloomberg, his tactics were exactly the same, and knowing the NYPD and its Commissioner and their close association with the DHS and the FBI, I would not be surprised if they were the initiators of this war on American citizens. Kelly is a military man, with political ambitions and friends in high political places, even in Europe. Interesting that his friend Sarkozy's country also had a similar attack on their occupiers this weekend, and Australia among others. Same tactics, same goals, to stop this movement.

[MADem]

45. The Mayor, the police and the public health people have been nothing but nice.

That restraining order is temporary and purely cautionary, but it was not taken out in anticipation of any impending "attack"--so that's just nonsense. NO ONE--least of all OWS Boston--is suggesting that the police were gunning for them. That's a Big Lie. In fact, the police have pledged that if they do need to do an eviction, they will give the encampment a THREE DAY NOTICE.

Mayor Menino has been on TV today and pretty much every day saying "They can stay so long as they are peaceful and work with city agencies" and that he has no plans to do an eviction at this time. The OWS people in Dewey are apparently very good about asking the police for help removing disruptors from their site which is probably why they are getting along well with the city. They are also keeping their area clean and not leaving poop or garbage strewn about.

The mayors in the other cities that did clear-outs didn't stop them because they personally ORDERED them. That's what mayors do--make decisions regarding public safety and health. You are going to have to go to the reports from each city to find out why they moved when they did and what they felt the issues were.

This is not a "war on American citizens." It might be a war on urban camping, but that's about it. Demonstrate? Sure. Live in a public park? No.

[sabrina 1]

53. Lol, I don't know where you get your information, but

Occupy Boston was already attacked, in fact on the very first day, and again on October 10th with 141 arrests. And yes, they were concerned about being raided and have said so especially since the Mayor and the police refused to guarantee they would not be.

They tried negotiating, asking that the police give them notice if they were going to evict them, the Mayor et al refused. That certainly goes along with the 'sneak attack' we've been seeing in all the other cities.

No one trusts these politicians anymore. The Dallas police were nice also, until they got the order to attack. Same thing in Chicago and elsewhere, where the police even helped the protesters at times, but that did not prevent them from 'following orders' when the orders came down from whoever is giving these coordinated orders.

Occupy Boston were very wise to take this to court especially since the Police and the Mayor refused their request to at least get a warning. If they had no intentions of raiding them, why would that be a problem?


The judge expressed concerns about their 1st Amendment rights, very clearly she is worried, the injunction is to make sure, the judge said, they are not deprived of those rights. So clearly she was not convinced that they would not be raided either.

Judge issues temporary restraining order barring city from evicting Occupy Boston protesters

McIntyre said she was granting the order because she was concerned about the potential for abridgement of the protesters’ First Amendment rights.

“The potential for irreparable harm to the plaintiff is very real,” she said.

.....

In court papers, lawyers said protesters feared the city would once again seek to force them out of their encampment during the night, citing an Oct. 10 raid in Boston where police arrested 141 people.

.....

“Since the arrests of Occupy Boston protestors on October 11, 2011, I have feared a second raid,’’ he said. “Every night, I wake up in fear at the sound of any police siren, because I fear a second series of arrests.’’

Looks like you owe me an apology for accusing me of lying, but I won't hold my breath.

[No Elephants]

56. He or she knows that. ( I'll use "she" for convenience). She and I

had this discussion soon after Menino sicc'd the Boston police on them and people were injured.

She contradicted a post I had made about Menino not having been hospitable.

In reply, I posted a quotation from an article in a credible paper, maybe even a video showing an injured vet, but I can't swear to the video.

Without skippping a beat, let alone acknowledging an error, she posted something like "So, in your world, people can't change their minds?" LOL.

[sabrina 1]

58. I guess I've been wasting a lot of time then.

Lol, but there is so much rightwing garbage on this board today and it takes me back to my days on those mixed boards where the rightwingers had control most of the time. I don't know why I stayed so long, but I guess I thought that facts might eventually penetrate. :-)

[No Elephants]

60. Well, apparently, we both wasted time providing facts.

Yes, I, too, am reminded of those boards as well. In fact, I posted about that very thing a while ago on the "Why do so many here hate OWS?" type thread in GC.

BTW, my version of the facts--a version I think the folks in Dewey Square would recognize quite easily, is in Reply 54, if you are interested.

Oh, and for the record, in case you are not from the area, the Boston occupiers are not in a park. Just sayin'.

[sabrina 1]

63. I remember the raid on Boston, the first day also, there were

several arrests as they protested outside a Bank. They got off to a good start airc, with several thousand at that first protest.

I remember the raid on the occupied site also and the huge number of arrests.

Your post #54 pretty much describes the way I remember it also.

No politician can be trusted. That is the sad thing people are learning from this as some occupations 'thought we had a good relationship with the police' only to be attacked in the middle of the night by those they trusted. But not any more, I don't think anyone is going to trust any of them, and that is probably for the best as they are scum to be attacking their own citizens this way, and I for one, would not want to know them.

[MADem]

71. That's just not true. The encampment tried to expand beyond the permitted area.

That's why the cops showed up.

Here is the actual course of events which predated all of this recent stuff:

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2011/10/11/protesters-arrested-occupy-boston-harvard/

The police have said, on record, that if they evict, they will give three days notice.

[sabrina 1]

74. That was an excuse. They always have an excuse.

From the link I provided:

William Sinnott, corporation counsel for the city, argued that the city should retain the right to expel the protesters if problems arise, and said officials couldn’t give advance warning of a raid because that would cause protesters to mobilize using social media and bring in more protesters and practice resistance techniques, creating a potentially dangerous situation for police officers.

I'm not worried about the police being hurt, it is the protesters who need protection. Clearly a lame excuse since sending in fully armed cops with pepper spray and rubber bullets and all their other military style equipment, poses a real threat to the citizens on that site.

So, they did not agree to giving notice. They were clearly right to assume a similar raid would occur in the middle of the night, just like the other cities and I'm glad they took this action, stopping the police and the mayor from violating their rights.

As I said, this is the fourth such ruling over the past few weeks, and I hope everyone does this so that people are not hurt as they have been in the other coordinated raids.

[No Elephants]

54. They are occupying. A court has ruled they have a first Amendment right so to do,.

There was no health or safety issue when Menino cleared Dewey Square. There wasn't yesterday, when it was last inspected, either. That was not why he cleared the Square at about the same time all those other mayors did.

At that time, the 99%, as the Boston occupiers are properly called, were very much upset that Menino HAD gunned for them and injured peopole.

They are still worried about a repeat performance. In fact, they were televised saying that saying just that.

The people in Dewey Square are getting along with the city because of the political blowback Menino got after he ordered police to clear Dewey Square.

"Urban camping" is an inexcusable trivialization of what they are doing and what they are risking. Really low.

[sabrina 1]

61. The 'health' thing is also being used by all of them

even though as soon as they attack these protesters, they rip apart their Medical tents sometimes with people inside, getting treatment.

And yes, the insulting 'urban camping' routine is also straight from Fox news, why are we seeing this stuff here?

The past couple of days have been very revealing here. And have given me reason to wonder whether or not I belong here anymore.

[MADem]

70. You are making shit up. He did not "clear the square at the same time the mayors did."

They arrested a bunch of people EONS ago--well OVER a month ago, not in conjunction with all these recent clearouts. The reason they did it is because the encampment was spreading beyond the agreed upon area and there was a lot of shit (literally) and troublemakers there (drug dealers and crazy homeless people who were stealing and shitting all over the place and who have since been evicted).

Since then, the people have been policing themselves and cooperating with police and public safety people.

Urban camping IS what it is. It's starting to look stupid and unfocused, and too bad for you if you don't agree with me. I really don't care. I like the OWS concept, I simply think it needs to grow up. The attention has been gotten, it's time to move onward and upward. You don't have to agree with me--I will survive and thrive without your approval.

Here--get your facts straight: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2011/10/11/protesters-arrested-occupy-boston-harvard/

[girl gone mad]

62. Wow..

you should seriously stop commenting on subjects you are woefully uninformed about.

[MADem]

64. After you, my dear. "Wow!" nt

[sabrina 1]

12. Wow, all of a sudden they are worried about 'an overdose'

Did they just hear about the lack of services for drug addicts, for the homeless all the problems that this movement has shone a light on and which no one in our political system appears to care about?

So now, they care enough about ONE OVERDOSE IN VANCOUVER to set up a conference call with 18 mayors, AFTER WHICH btw, huge armies of robo cops were sent into the streets to nearly kill those same people they are 'so concerned' about??

Do they think we were all born yesterday??

And what about the 40 police Depts who coordinated their war on the American people?

This is pure BS. If a Mayor cannot deal with a few peaceful protesters, they do not belong in the job.

Funny how some mayors have been able to work with the protesters though.

We need an investigation into these attacks on the American people. We need to know WHO ordered the brutal attacks on peaceful American citizens, and who ordered over 700 cops to attack a few hundred peaceful people who had committed no crimes.

700 Robo Cops heavily armed?? I think if this was the result of their 'conference' all of them need to step down.

I watched a show yesterday about Rio Janeiro's drug war and how the country sent in a few hundred, three I believe, cops, to handle one of the most crime ridden areas in the world. 300 to deal with violent drug cartels. 700 to attack peaceful American citizens.

Yes, someone needs to answer for this. Especially since so many citizens were seriously injured by this 'army'.

[Tx4obama]

15. Apparently you didn't read 'all' the text in the OP

The conference call was NOT set up to discuss the 'ONE OVERDOSE IN VANCOUVER'

MANY things were discussed during their conference call including what was on their 'business agenda'.

The mayors have conference call MORE THAN ONCE A MONTH - this call was not set up to only discuss an overdose or the protesters.

[sabrina 1]

21. The end result was a massive and heavily armed

military style attack on innocent and peaceful protesters. Was this what they decided was necessary to silence American citizens? To harm their own people, as they did? The false arrests, the attacks, the brutal beatings, the rubber bullets, the military weapons etc. Is this what they were 'conferring' about and was this why so many of these attacks were almost the same?

And again, who was directing the 40 Police Depts also involved in 'conferences'.

This is bizzare that anyone would accept this, I mean.

WE ARE TALKING about innocent, peaceful protesters here. Why the need for all these conferences? They were not harming anyone, but they DID feed the homeless, and try to help the addicted, they didn't CREATE those social problems, they tried to do something about them, and for that they were treated like a foreign enemy.

Sorry, I did read the article, it is BS and an investigation is needed to address this brutality towards American citizens. I did call the Portland PD last week and asked them why they were treating the American people like enemies. To give the guy some credit, he was embarrassed and tried to distance himself from it, saying 'I am not far enough up the chain of command to answer that question, but I see how it looks that way'. It didn't just look that way, they put American citizens in great danger. All of them need to go, and I hope they do.

[MADem]

24. The mayors do conference calls several times a month. They talk to each other.

They exchange ideas. This was happening BEFORE OWS, and it will happen AFTER OWS. It didn't happen BECAUSE OF OWS.

It's something they do. They don't just meet at their dorky little meeting to elect a new President. They communicate with one another frequently.

[sabrina 1]

30. You do not know what happened, no one does.

What we do know is that they did not protect their citizens from the brutal military-style assault on them, in fact they supported it.

And right now there is another one. Odd how similar the tactics are too.

First the media helicopters stop streaming their coverage, right after the word comes down that an attack is about to happen.

Same thing tonight, this time in Dallas.

Next an army of heavily armed robo cops come in and start beating up the people, arresting them, destroying everything in sight, including their medical tents.

That's about to happen right now in Dallas. Third one today, I believe. Same tactics, same brutal treatment of innocent civilians.

Going to make a list of the cities that have been subjected to these illegal assaults on American citizens. I think we will have our list.

Shame on anyone who condones this. If Bush were president, this board would be on fire with outrage. I am really beginning to totally despise the party I thought would begin to change all of this. Except for a very few, all of them are complicit unless the speak out now and put a stop to this before someone is killed.

As for the 'conference', explain how all these assaults on the people are identical? Did the mayors condone the use of such force? They sure have no stopped it, have they? And as I said, there needs to be a thorough investigation of this, no more speculation or excuses. We are told all the wars we are in are because they care so much about our safety, they have to fight over there to keep them from here.

What a joke, I am more afraid of our own mayors and governors and their militarized police thugs than I am of any remote terrorist right now.

[MADem]

41. OWS needs to change their focus. Camping doesn't help anyone.

They have a ton of money, they need to start spending some of it. On OFFICE SPACE.

I think camping is a waste of time. It accomplishes nothing. I think fighting with the police over the "right to camp" is also a waste of time. It doesn't make people want to support the cause.

What happened to "Move your money out BoA" type protests? Haven't seen one of those in eons.

OWS can make a difference, but not if they lounge around camping all day and night. It's purposeless. Sorry if you don't like that POV, but whatever.

I want to see OWS get organized and do some focused protests, not whine about police taking their tarps and telling them they can't camp out in the city.

Why don't you explain to me why you actually think it is unusual that these assaults are "identical?" Do you suppose that police departments learn standardized tactics, perchance? Or do they reinvent the wheel every time they have to do anything? Do you think that a police officer in Portland Maine cuffs a suspect in pretty much the same fashion as one in Portland, Oregon? Does that mean they conspired, because they use the same technique?

This ain't their first rodeo, any of 'em. They've all had opportunities to break out the gear in the past--for actual situations and training on a regular basis. Some of them may have gone to national training academies for advanced training, too.

You might not like them, or their tactics, but just because they use basic police procedures that are common the world over doesn't mean that they've "conspired." Clearing out a crowd is pretty standard--go on and look at footage of, say, post-game crowds that gather in cities across the nation--particularly in places where the home team loses. You'll see the exact same sort of stuff you're seeing at OWS clear-outs, minus the tents. It's not a big secret, it's not new technique. It is what it is--police doing crowd control. They aren't always very nice, in fact, they're usually pretty mean, nasty and aggressive and they don't put up with any pushback. If you go up against them, you can expect rough treatment. It's a good idea to try to go the other way if you can.

[sabrina 1]

44. Wow!

'common police procedures'

There's really not much more to say. You are clearly happy with what most people around the country and the world today, are calling a 'police state'.

Sorry you are so used to this kind of oppression that you see nothing wrong with it. That is scary frankly.

But it does show that we have waited far too long and that the criminals who have taken over our country have succeeded to a far greater extent than anyone thought. It is going to take a lot more work to get people used to living in a truly free society it seems.

On the bright side, OWS and all the extraordinary people involved do not share your acquiescence to living in a police state. So, clearly, even the very young know what a free country ought to look like and that is why this will not continue.

Maybe you should read some material about former fascist, totalitarian and nazi states, how they developed over time. And how some convinced themselves with each new step towards oppression, that this would be the last. 'They Thought They Were Free' totally describes what is happening here right now, but not with everyone, thankfully.

[MADem]

47. Dear Sabrina, you really do need to learn to read what people write.

Just because I state a fact does not mean I am "happy" or "sad" or "used to" something, or feel anything about it. You say "WOW" like you've never seen riot police at work? Are you that naive?

You have no idea what real oppression is, despite your hyperbolic commentary. Try living under a dictator, replaced by another dictator, only a crazy religious one, running like hell and leaving every single thing you own behind save the clothes on your back--and then come crying to me about what oppression is all about. That's an atual chapter in MY life, so I think I've got a pretty good grasp on the topic.

Oppression is when young adults are hanged in the town square for being gay, or for being raped by that pervert uncle. Oppression is being beaten to within an inch of your life because your hair wasn't sufficiently covered by your chador, or you were caught walking with a person of the opposite sex who was not a relative. Oppression is disappearing into the Evin Prison, never to be seen again...until your body is dumped outside wrapped in trash bags and your parents are called to come fetch it before it starts to stink too much.

Not being allowed to camp all night in a public park without any sort of permit is NOT oppression, and if you think it is, you have interesting priorities.

But whatever.

Do take the time to read and parse what people say to you. Don't assume facts not in evidence, OK?

[sabrina 1]

57. You know nothing about me either, or what my experiences have

been. Nor do I wish to talk about me. This is about THIS COUNTRY, which was set up to make sure that what you describe, never happens here, not even close because it takes time to get there, and each step towards oppression needs to be stopped, before the next one follows.

Our police DO kill people, in their homes, on the street. Dead is dead, and this has been an ongoing problem that mostly has affected poor minorities. And if there were not people watching them, it would be a lot worse.

Had it been stopped in Germany eg, early on, at the first signs, a lot of lives might have been saved. Having spoken to people who were there as things slowly developed, it is clear that these kinds of illegal activities must be stopped WHEN the occur, before they become acceptable.

For many minorities in this country it is already that bad, and shame on us for allowing it to get that far. Sorry, but telling me about countries that did allow things to get to the point where it was too late to stop them, only makes it more imperative to take action now.


Most people I have known who did grow up under oppressive regimes were the most passionate protectors of the rights of the people not to be abused and not to tolerate it. We are already late on this here in the US. Our government is going around the world killing people in countries they have no right to be in. So, I don't have any doubts that the mindset is there, our only protection is the Constitution.

[MADem]

73. Fine. Be as hyperbolic as you please. Just understand that I will give

your commentary the weight it deserves.

Telling people who are camping in an urban setting without permits that they cannot sleep in a public park is not "oppression."

All of that other stuff you mention about Germany and bad police killing minorities is unrelated to this simple fact.

You can exercise your first amendment rights anywhere. You don't need a tent and a sleeping bag to do it.

[Downwinder]

49. Mostly new gear, bought with stimulus funds.

See any scratches on those visors?

[Tx4obama]

27. No one is defending the police brutality. That is NOT what the OP is about.

The OP is in regards to the mayors' monthly conference call which had NOTHING to do with collusion or DHS/FED coordination.

[DeSwiss]

13. Whenever you hear: ''there is NO conspiracy'' ......

...you can bet there's a conspiracy.

'Apparently, "conspiracy stuff" is now shorthand for unspeakable truth.' http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/oct/27/books.featuresreview">~Gore Vidal

"The revolution is not going to happen tomorrow --
it's never going to happen.

It's taking place right now.

It is an alternate universe that runs parallel to this one,
waiting for you to switch sides."

http://zinelibrary.info/expect-resistance">EXPECT RESISTANCE

[greyl]

17. Whenever you see a request for evidence met with a return of none,

you can bet it's only a Conspiracy Theory.

[MADem]

18. Wait one cotton-pickin' minute--we heard "There IS a conspiracy" first.

From Michael Moore and a bunch of other people riffing off of the Oakland mayor's comment that she participated in a mayor's conference call.

So, by your logic, since we heard that FIRST....there must be no conspiracy!

[grasswire]

20. I don't recall Moore saying there was a conspiracy.

I recall that he asked questions. Was DHS involved? Was there coordination?

[MADem]

22. Yes, he did--he accused Obama of orchestrating it. NT

[grasswire]

25. do you remember when/where he said that?

Was it a tweet? Or on Countdown? Or what?

[Tx4obama]

29. Here ya go ....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=817056&mesg_id=817056

[slipslidingaway]

31. Moore said it was being coordinating by the federal government..

and goes on to quote the examiner piece.

Start about 3:15 on this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mfQ2W6doZs

Thread in PV here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=635062&mesg_id=635062

[MADem]

43. Both--a tweet and countdown. nt

[Amonester]

23. Especially when you hear it "after the facts" which made all co-conspirators

look BAD

Like... "Damn, these lawless thugs (cops) blew it big time on our dime and made an horrible violent mess out of it while the whole world was watching... ARRGH!!" WHAT THE HELL DID THEY MAKE u$ look like??? Dictatorial assholes???"

Hence the "after the shameful facts" no conspiracy... lie.

[AntiFascist]

33. The Mayors Call aside....

there was a coordinated effort between departments from several cities that even crossed county borders, in the Oakland crackdown that resulted in injuries. No one can deny that. The question there is, how was that action coordinated and at what level?

[saras]

26. So this exactly fits the dictionary definition. Explain to us why it's NOT a conspiracy.

It's a group of people in power, meeting privately to forward private interests against those of the public. They don't have to invoke the Illuminati or the Greys for it to be a conspiracy.

[Tx4obama]

28. So, by your logic ...

when all the Governors meet at their yearly conference and discuss issues regarding their states - there is a conspiracy?
when Congress gets together to discuss legislation - there is a conspiracy?
when the nine Supreme Court Justices meet to discuss a case - there is a conspiracy?

That is NUTS :)

[EFerrari]

34. When a group of governors or the Supreme Court for that matter

discuss how to deprive Americans of their first amendment rights, that's collusion at a minimum. That isn't having a brainstorming session to figure out who will carry the flag at the July 4 parade.

[Prometheus Bound]

32. I'd love to hear about the "best practices" they say they discussed.

[EFerrari]

35. You can't claim there was no collusion because you don't know that.

What you have is a cya story, period.

[quaker bill]

75. Collusion is not a conspiracy

[EFerrari]

77. Thank you, Mr. Webster.

:)

[Kaleko]

36. My friend keeps telling me the exact same thing.

But then again, he's a bit short on depth perception.

[SidDithers]

38. K&R. Facts are good...nt

Sid

[Prometheus Bound]

40. Can anyone give me one good reason I should believe Amy Ruiz, spokesman for the Portland mayor?

[Tunkamerica]

48. because she said that you could trust her. it is therefore true.

[KG]

55. well, that's good enough for me!

whew!! my tin foil hat was getting alittle tight!

[Downwinder]

42. Never said there was a conspiracy. They just got together

and discussed it. No theory, they said so.

[Ichingcarpenter]

51. The Department of Homeland Security is known for its transparency

and the justice department is known for it taking on corporate crimes

So I guess what you say is true because you said it.

[Downwinder]

59. Look at Janet Napolitano's dealings with Indian casinos,

you will see similarities.

[The Straight Story]

66. Cool - I am sure they have a recording of it for us to listen to (nt)

[Ichingcarpenter]

67. Their Secretary, Rose Mary Woods , recorded it. n/t

[Downwinder]

72. Hope there are no gaps.

[The Straight Story]

69. I checked the US conference of mayors web site, no information about the meeting:

http://www.usmayors.org/meetings/

If this is business as usual you would think there would be more info there.

[quaker bill]

76. It does not really matter

There is nothing illegal, inappropriate, or unusual about local law enforcement and local governments sharing information or even coming up with similar plans to approach an issue. A scandal requires something illegal or inappropriate, or it is not much of a scandal.

Several people could coordinate a trip to the grocery store for wednesday afternoon, one could call this a conspiracy, but it rather dilutes the meaning of the term.

These folks chat regularly. I think one of the purposes of OWS was to become a significant enough issue to get on their agenda, to be worth talking about. Mission accomplished.

[JoePhilly]

78. Well said ... however ...

... your description lacks sufficient emotion and / or outrage to generate the level of hyperventilation required around here.

+1

[Hissyspit]

79. No, the problem is it is beside the point.

[quaker bill]

86. Actually resistance always should be beside the point

It should not even be relevant. The whole point of a protest is to generate resistance, to offend the offensive, to discomfort the comfortable. Quakers have been known to call this the "brick index". In short, if you haven't had a brick tossed through a Meetinghouse window in a while, you are probably slacking.

It was tough for a bit to live around Friends whose Meetings had been infiltrated by DOD under Bush*s "Talon" program, as having been officially termed a "serious threat to military recruitment", they had all sorts and kinds of bragging rights.

[Harmony Blue]

80. Eighteen different cities mayors scattered through the U.S.

huddling up on how to handle OWS is not peculiar? Furthermore, they had help from the Federal government...you don't find that strange? :wtf: :wtf:

[Tx4obama]

82. Apparently you forgot to read all the text in the OP.

ALL mayors from all around the USA receive an invite when the conference calls are scheduled. They have the option to participate or not.
The mayors' conference calls happen more than once a month - on a regular basis.
They did not 'huddle up' to discuss 'how to handle' OWS, OWS was a side issue they talked about AFTER they discussed what was on their 'business agenda'.
There wasn't anyone from the 'federal' government on the conference call - the participants consisted of MAYORS.

Please read the OP so that you'll understand what actually happened.

Have a nice day :)

[quaker bill]

85. There is no evidence for your version

But even if there was, I would find it expected and not at all strange. If a protest runs 60 days and encounters no opposition, is it effective?

I would say that if you had run 60 days without opposition, it would be time to kick it up a notch. Some rallies I have helped organize and support had people being arrested in large numbers on day one, without violence or destruction of property.

[randome]

81. It's amazing a entire thread on this subject is needed.

There are conspiracies everywhere!

[chowder66]

83. I guess that means that London was part of the coordinated call?

London had a crackdown so they MUST have been included in the call, right? sarcasm
What about the states that are NOT cracking down? not sarcasm

I think there is probably a standard rule/proceedure book regarding mass protests and phases of these events.
That is why it "seems" coordinated. Some are cracking down hard while others are not.

I believe (and I may be wrong) it just looks more like a phased plan which some adhere to and others do not.

[Prometheus Bound]

87. This deserves another look, don't you think?