I Heard Micheal Moore May Have Overstep in OWS NYC Loss of Zuccottti Park

[rsmith6621]

I heard at my Occupy GA tonight from someone who is on top of HELLA issues and knows what is going on at all of the MAJOR OWS in the USA.This person spends several hours a day monitoring Livestream feed and has contacts at most OCCUPY sites.

Tonight we were debriefing on what happened in Portland and NYC, each city had a common thread that resulted in a loss of each city's park.

The thread was someone stepped up and violated a sacred rule of the OWS movement..That someone took it in to their own hands and assumed a sole leadership role...this is a leaderless movement.

The report in NYC was that Mr Micheal Moore once the park was cleared TWEETED in the confusion that everyone should move towards another location thus giving up an opportunity to reclaim the park and losing a spot of power.there apparently were enough people watching his twitter feed...similar actions happened with Portland as well.


Micheal Moore overstepped his role in this movement.

[Fire Walk With Me]

1. The groups didn't do a GA on it and vote?

[unionworks]

2. documentation?

"I heard" isn't enough for me to rec.

[Luminous Animal]

5. Documention? Michael Moore is rich and fat. Some people say that is all the documentation

that you should need.

[unionworks]

13. i like Mike

Went to see farenheit when it first came out. A line out to the parking lot to get in, 2 pa. State police cruisers sitting at the movie entrance, and at least one undercover cop in the audience. Helluva movie!

[Luminous Animal]

14. I like him too. So much so that I was like # 18 on his old discussion board way

before DU was in existence. I've bought all his books. I recorded all his TV shows. I've been to most his lectures. I sleep between Michael Moore sheets.

[unionworks]

17. that's very cool!

"Farenheit" was so contoversial, local council or somebody here in Erie pa. Tried to prevent the local theatre from showing it. This was at the height of patriot hysteria. The theatre showed it anyway, so the state cops parked two cruisers in front of the theatre for intimidation. Which only made us want to see it more. Talk about atmosphere! :-)

[unionworks]

18. I'm fat too!

Hey - one out of two ain't bad! And where the heckdid you get Mike bedsheets! :-)

[Luminous Animal]

3. Some people say.... What a load of Fox News style crap.

[Hissyspit]

4. Lots of people tweeted that people should go to this or that location that night.

It was very confused. I would have to check Moore's feed, but so what?
If it is a leaderless movement then I suppose anyone can suggest going to one location or another in the midst of chaos?

[Luminous Animal]

7. No, no... you don't understand! If it weren't for MM, the police would have joined

hands with OWS, sang Kumbaya refrained from attacking the camp and Bloomberg would be a liberal hero.

[Hissyspit]

8. Here is the tweet. If I am remembering correctly, he was repeating what others were saying to do

that night: "#OWS: Go to Foley Square right now to regroup. Centre and Worth Sts. Follow the live stream: ustream.tv/channel/wato99…"

[pinboy3niner]

9. That's the way I remember it from following livestream from Tim Pool at TheOther99

Zucotti remained closed through the night, so people moved to Foley to hold the GA.

The police did not re-open Zucotti until after 2pm, iirc. At that time, it was re-occupied.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Welcome to the tweeter brigade!

:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. You are correct and that tweet did not even start with him

Foley plaza was "occupied" momentarily as people kept moving all night to avoid arrest

[LoZoccolo]

6. Well I herd you liek mudkips. n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

12. Michael Moore: Yo dawg, I heard you like Occupy

So we put an Occupy in Foley Square so you can Occupy!

PS-- The real reason is because some faction of whyweprotest or occupy
broadcast to the world that they were planning to picket the NYSE today --
and federal - local officials were already doing coordinated trainings on
how to evict them if something like that happened.

[On the Road]

15. Being Leaderless Has Helped the OWS Movements Up to This Point

but moving on from consciousness-raising to concrete political action requires a smaller core of leaders. If Michael Moore is being accused of breaking the rules simply by tweeting a gathering spot, that is a very bad omen for the future of OWS.

[JohnnyRingo]

16. Who decides the rules in a leaderless movement?

Was a vote taken and counted? Who posed the motion, and who tabulated the results?

I don't know that Moore violated a cardinal sin of protest by voicing advice based on his observation. Certainly individuals could decide to do otherwise.

Moving by herd instinct alone is how cattle are funneled to slaughter.

[sabrina 1]

19. Total BS and sounds like the usual rightwing garbage we've

seeing here all day. I watched the entire thing and you could not be more wrong, and I follow MM on Twitter. You don't get to offer up unsubstantiated garbage like this without something to back it up. Everyone I know in NY loves MM and not one person there had this 'information' which as I said, has not a thing to back up.

I heard that someone said it was Obama's fault, that he called Mayor Bloomberg and told him 'to move those people out of the Park now'. And that Bloomberg is furious with him because now he has to answer to the people of the city who are furious with him.




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Actually no, I did not hear any such thing, but see how easy it is to make stuff up?

Unrec for spreading false rumors about someone who has done more for this country than all of his rightwing detractors put together.

[JDPriestly]

20. Michael Moore is just one of many people.

There is no leader in the Occupy movement. The people of OWS are more aware of that than anyone.

It is not possible to assume the leadership of a group that maintains its independence of any leader.

I think the OP does not have a sense of what OWS is about.

Michael Moore can say whatever he wants to say. The leadership of OWS is whoever happens to be speaking at the moment. It is constantly changing.

There is a small group of destructive, jealous types who pick on Michael Moore all the time. Penis-envy is what it is called. Penis-envy.

[girl gone mad]

21. This did not happen, as others have pointed out.

Moore's tweet went out well after the park had been raided and blockaded. The decision on where to convene post police clampdown was made through consensus within and among the various then fractured groups.

[pinboy3niner]

22. Exactly--Moore and others merely relayed the info that OWS was regrouping at Foley

Moreover, there was no possibility of re-occupying Zucotti at that time--the police had just evicted OWS from there and they kept it cordoned off. The claim that there was some opportunity to re-occupy Zucotti that was "lost" is blatantly false.

After their eviction from Zucotti, Occupiers regrouped at Foley in the early morning hours and held a GA there. They were not able to re-enter Zucotti until after 2pm, when police re-opened the park. All of this is well-documented in Tim Pool's livestream reporting of these events for TheOther99.