I sit possible to enjoy college football

[Texasgal]

and be disgusted by the events at Penn State?

I love watching my Longhorns, I attend games and give to the Longhorn Foundation. I have a long history family of University of Texas grads.

If UT was ever involved in such a thing I would be sickened and NOT supportive of the foundation.

Can I still like football?

[Fumesucker]

1. Only if you stand..

;)

:hi:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. I think so. I also believe guys need to watch sports. I think it can be healing for guys. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

8. That is sooooo sexist. Here's what my dad taught me, and I

agree. Sports are a waste of time used mostly to create division and empower bullies. It is poison on toast. Good for lugs and the idle rich.

[ellisonz]

24. That's so not true.

Little League 1991-1993
AYSO Soccer 1992-2000

[Sarah Ibarruri]

29. Yeah? Sexist, is it?...

Why do you feel it's sexist? Do you feel that we cannot mention tendencies among men, because it is sexist to mention tendencies?

Fact is, more men than women are attracted to sports, just as less men are attracted to chick flicks and ballet, and vice versa. We can go down a whole list of interests that men are more interested or less interested in.

Now focus on this for a moment: I do not mean that 100% of males are attracted to sports. Nothing on this planet is 100% of anything. There are plenty of exceptions. However, exceptions are exceptions.

The reason for the greater male interest (and participation) in sports? Well, perhaps it's evolutionary, and because males can do sports a heck of a lot better than men, just as women can do other things better than men. It certainly is biological:

Men have large amounts of testosterone, where women have tiny amounts (unless they dope up, as has been done by some women for the Olympics and other sports).

Men have larger hearts than women, and this cannot be changed even with testosterone.

Women's hips are large compared with men (which can be tampered with through doping up girls at puberty).

Women have a greater proportion of fat compared with men (and this, too, can be tampered with if girls were doped up at puberty).

The muscle mass of males is far greater than that of women (again, this can be tampered with through doping of the woman).

Women's heights and spines are shorter than men's. Men have a greater volume of blood than women.

Men have a greater bone density than women.

Men have advantages over women in delivery distance in field events. Men have a higher center of gravity which creates an advantage in jumping events. And so on.

Upon reaching puberty, males surpass females in ALL sports activities, except certain specific types of coordination and in flexibility.

Clearly, this tells me that the male body is better suited for sports, it is easier for males to play sports, and it is logical that they would have a greater interest in what they can do well.

This, I believe, is why they are interested in sports and many other activities that require prowess of the nature that men have.

Again, there are exceptions among males and exceptions among females, but they are EXCEPTIONS. A very lean, very well trained woman will be faster in running than a man that is short, fatter, and less fit.

Don't tell me that all of this comes as a surprise to you.

I think you need to focus more and learn to separate what is factual and real, from what is true discrimination. Please cease confusing the two.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

30. And by the way, I agree on sports. I find I can dismiss with them almost completely.

They're dull and unexciting to me.

I prefer so many other things.

[seabeyond]

39. all sports? wow. i did swimming for a decade and half. i have a son doing cross country

putting a lot of time in it.

my sports left me with a lifetime of healthy habits. as a young girl in the 60's and 70's i practiced right along with the boys. competed and was good seeing hard work paid off. gave me confidence and independence. in a time when girls where taught they were inferior, i was being raised equal.

i see the same for my son.

i dont see where the waste of time is.

play the computer? watch tv?

school? both son and i got excellent grades. son does art. played viola.

you dad was/is wrong

[liberal N proud]

3. Watch Division II

not near the money or corruption and the have a true playoff.

You will need to stream the games but just as exciting.

[MADem]

4. Go to a high school game--cheer on the suckiest team in your county!

They're the ones who could use some of that rah-rah shit, not the winners!

[Texasgal]

6. ???

Sorry. I don't get what you are saying.

And you know, perhaps it's RAH-RAH to you, but to me and my family it's fun mindless entertainment! We enjoy it.

[MADem]

11. What I'm saying is you can have fun at an amateur competition, and the team that sucks is

the one that would benefit the most from fans who cheer them on. It's easy to root for the winners, harder to stick with a losing team and tell them "Next time--you'll get 'um NEXT time!"

I rooted for the Red Sox for decades before they reversed that curse, ya know. I find Cubs fans inspiring.

I'm always a fan of the Underdog, you see.

I don't like football much, but I'd cheer for the shittiest team if I were conned into attending a game.

Isn't RAH-RAHing at a football competition (or any other sports contest) "fun mindless entertainment?" I always thought so!

[Texasgal]

14. So, from what I gather

I am allowed as a "progressive" person to root for losers only?

Cool, Texas lost to Mizzou today. It was painful and I was cheering for them like crazy!

Thanks?

[MADem]

17. No, I didn't say that. You "gather" wrong.

Jesus H. Christ on a unicycle...it was a suggestion, one that might provide a slice of joy to a downtrodden team, not an order.

Do whatever the hell you'd like. I really don't CARE what you do. Truly.

Bigass Texan sized eye roll, now...

:eyes:

My original comment wasn't even DIRECTED at you--take unnecessary offense, much?

[Texasgal]

19. Wow, you must be very sensitive

I wasn't offended in the least with your post.

Perhaps the sensitivity is you?

Your snark and the texas "eye roll" has been noted. Thanks. I didn't take it "personally" though FYI. :)

[MADem]

20. Me? Shit--you just took my head off because I dared "suggest" that

being nice and cheering on a losing team might be a fun thing to do.

Whatever. Reread your comments--you came after me with fangs bared and a chip on your shoulder.

You deserved the eye roll, and then some.

[Texasgal]

22. wow.. you ARE sensitive.

Okay, sorry I offended you. Wow!

BTW- My brother is a HS football coach. His team has not done well this year but I find myself there almost every friday or saturday night in support.

is that cool? Do I still get to keep my Lib card?

Please know I am trying to be as nice as possible so that I do not bruise your sensitive soul. :hi:

[MADem]

26. No, I'm not 'sensitive.'

You're the one who took what I said, which was a bit of lighthearted commentary, and came back with this slam:

I am allowed as a "progressive" person to root for losers only?

Like I'm some kind of Agenda Enforcer, or something.

My comments had nothing to do with "progressives" or "lib cards" --or politics in any way, shape or form--and everything to do with simply being nice to kids who are stuck playing for shitty teams and who don't often hear anyone cheering them on from the stands with any enthusiasm.

Whatever.

[Texasgal]

28. how you pulled that from my initial post

is bothersome.

Did I ever say that I don't root for the underdog? Was that anywhere in my post?

It was never mentioned ergo your "sensitive" posts. instead of making a wild assumption you could have asked you know.

Whatever.

[MADem]

31. ??? tells me you didn't have a clue as to my meaning, and even after I clarified,

you still came after me with political (lib card, progressive) accusations.

Whatever, indeed. I'll know better in the future--I'll give you a wide berth.

[Texasgal]

34. Sorry, I cannot deal

with your EXTREME sensitivity. I've been here a long time and have dealt with many people in agreement or not. I've been in way more di agreements than this, issues that became HIGHLY heated and flamed out!

Sorry, but you WAY too sensitive.So sensitive that normal conversation cannot happen. I've got to send you on your way. Ignore. No "berth" needed. :hi:

Have a nice evening! :)

[MADem]

37. Nor can I deal with yours. I've been here a while myself.

I've never caught "political correctness" crap/snark before for simply suggesting people cheer on an underdog. That's a new one on me.

I'll give you that wide berth even though you say you don't want it. Safer that way.

I don't do ignore--it's for people who can't stand any opinions but their own--but I will try to stay out of your way.

[ScreamingMeemie]

41. Actually...the Longhorns are quite sucky this year...

:hide:

[MADem]

46. If you're cheering 'em on, you're doing a good thing!

:hi:

Even underdogs need a reason to keep striving!!

[ScreamingMeemie]

47. I was teasing TexasGal.

The Texas Longhorns are big bucks. :D I'm a Wisconsin Badger fan myself. On Wisconsin!

[MADem]

49. She's pissed at me for some strange reason--I don't exist in her world anymore!

I'll have to find some way to survive I suppose!

[Texasgal]

5. My team is Texas and the big 12

That's just my preference. It's in my area and I grew up with it.

[liberal N proud]

7. Texas has some excellent Div II schools

Texas A&M Kingsville.
Abilene Christian

Both are in the playoffs

I like Div. II because every game is critical to the season but the big money is not there.

[Texasgal]

16. I hear you.

My team are the Longhorns.

I do tend to watch other games too, just depends on what's on.

[dballance]

9. It is the most STUPID thing schools allow

I went to a high school where football was a religion. Just like it is at Penn State. The players were "Gods" and could do no wrong.

Not a one of the players in my high school made it to the big leagues. They didn't become lawyers or accountants or teachers either. They didn't start and run their own businesses. I think I can still find a couple of them begging downtown and fighting for the heat vents during the winter.

Yep, sports really taught them valuable skills they can use in the real world.

Our priorities sure are in order aren't they?

[Texasgal]

12. As a female I played Tennis in HS and

In college as well.

I think it taught me alot about life. I am an RN now. I believe that I was taught alot about life in general in my sport.

Football isn't the devil. My brother is a HS football coach, he see's many move on. I am sorry that YOUR experience wasn't good.

I enjoy football programs. I do NOT LIKE the issues that happened at Penn State but I am not willing to throw football as a whole over the fence.

[sylveste]

38. so you're

saying they are part of the 99% pecent huh?

[Logical]

43. What a stupid set of logic you use there! Unbelievable!

[uppityperson]

10. Are you asking if you should hate a whole group based on the actions of a few?

It is possible to enjoy a sport and be disgusted by the actions of some involved with that sport.

[soapboxtalk]

13. It's tough

I find it hard to accept that children's lives are less important than the win/loss record.

I'm glad this found the light though, it'll give someone second thoughts before covering something like this up.

[Texasgal]

15. Ofcourse Childrens lives are more

important.

I never said they were not. I am sickened by the Penn State crime. I would NEVER support such a thing!

[a la izquierda]

18. Nope, you MUST turn in your liberal card.

:eyes: oh and :sarcasm:
I love college football (Sooners fan here). I was an athlete growing up. I also have a big, sexy brain that I use on a daily basis.
Keep on liking college football. I will. And because I have a brain, and a soul, I detest what occurred at Penn State. I can do two things at once, contrary to some folks' opinions about sports fans.

[Texasgal]

21. Dislike the Sooners very much! :)

But I appreciate the fact that you are a FAN and that you ENJOY a good football game!

Thank you for your comment! I feel that we football fans are being thrown under the bus! I am appalled at what happened at Penn State... disgusted more like.

I plan on still watching and supporting FOOTBALL as a whole! Thank you to another FAN who "gets it" :P

[Gabi Hayes]

23. pretty much my thoughts, too, as I sit watching Stanford (rotten neocon school) get pantsed by

Oregon, wonderful school, wonderful town (love their Saturday market!), and, most of all, wonderful state (except for the Deliverance parts)

here's your reward for being such a right thinker (picture won't show, so go to link):

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other very nice ones, as well, especially if you like French>>>

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[Texasgal]

25. :)

Love Oregon! :)

[Cerridwen]

27. Depends. Do you live in the 2-dimensional world or the 3-dimensional one?

I wish I were joking but I swear some people live in a 2-D world in which there is only black/white, up/down, on/off, good/bad, us/them and my side/their side.

I think there are more shades of grey, more subtleties than good/bad, more to human interactions than legal/illegal, in the 3-D world. Of course, I could be wrong and there are even more dimensions. :)

Of course, I also miss nuance, so maybe I'm just extremely weird.

Go <sports team name>!!!!!

Or not.

[enuegii]

32. Is it possible to support charities for troubled youth

and be disgusted by the events associated with The Second Mile organisation?

Yes, I would think so-- wouldn't you?

It doesn't mean you would have to advocate shutting all such organisations down or banning them, though.

[Synicus Maximus]

33. What does one thing have to do with the other? Penn State had

nothing to do with the game of football other than the people involved happened to be football coaches. Individuals were involved in the alleged molestation and cover up. Football is played every week by hundreds of high school and college teams that have nothing to do with Penn State. Besides why do you need permission as to wither you can like football or not?

[Texasgal]

36. I agree

But many here are conflating molestation with football.

my is it "okay" was tongue in cheek. I am surprised I have to explain that considering how many threads there are about it.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

35. what about that Ravens Jaguar game?

I got bad reception. Must have been the poor satellite reception. I should have watched on Comcast or Charter hard-wire hook-ups

[ScreamingMeemie]

40. Don't let the attitudes of a bunch of pompous, smug faced, "I'm more

liberal than you" idiots, who wouldn't know an encroachment call if it came across the line and initiated helmet to helmet contact, ruin something you enjoy. I have to say, the ridiculous "Football is the root of all that is evil in this world" actually made me watch more college football than I normally would on any given Saturday.

I am a Liberal. And I watch football, and I enjoy it. And that makes me no less liberal than the "I never watch television, sports are stupid, smokers suck, SUV drivers should be hung etc." bullshitters that like to hang around these parts and bleat like no tomorrow. And I am level-headed enough to realize that the problem wasn't football...the problem was a pedophile coach, with friends who couldn't or wouldn't see how evil he was---which,in turn, makes them evil...not football. And I can't wait for Monday Night.

Have a wonderful rest of the weekend. :hi:

[seabeyond]

42. i play fantasy football with my family. i have to do some fixing up tomorrow morning

kids and hubby watch. i use to years ago.

i get peoples problem with football. i told my son i really didnt want him to play in highschool cause of the injuries but more, the attitude. adn with his personailty, more. but i think a person can appreciate and enjoy the sport, too.

[ScreamingMeemie]

44. Half my fantasy team is injured and the patching each weekend is

a tough job. I wish they paid us to manage these teams. :hi:

I don't mind if people don't like football...I mind when they judge me because I do. I fret every time my son takes the field, but I also know that I cannot wrap him in cotton. I fret with each breath he takes. He is pretty well adjusted. Football hasn't turned him into a bullet headed imbecile. He's a good kid. Who actually cares about people. :)

[seabeyond]

50. love the picture.

you have to go by the kids individually. my other son is totally different. if my son loved the sport, i too would have to suport and do my frettin too. my youngest son cannot find his sport. i may have to convince it is speech or debate.

your son is beautifully awesome

[eridani]

45. I follow home teams when they're winning

Fair weather fan here. My SIL makes sports highlight reels that I enjoy--a 20 minute Superbowl with all the boring parts left out.

[Prometheus Bound]

48. No, you're no longer allowed to enjoy college football. Basketball's ok though.

Amen.

[hack89]

51. And hockey. nt

[Avalux]

52. Well, let's hope UT is never involved in such a thing so you don't feel like me.

Penn State is my alma mater and I'm a huge football fan; have enthusiastically supported the team and have always been proud of my school and the football program. So when the news broke....can't even put into words the emotional rollercoaster I've been on all week, it's not black and white. Even though I'm completely disgusted by what's been revealed and am bracing for it to get worse - I still love college football, and I still love my team. For you to say you wouldn't be supportive if in the same situation is probably unrealistic, as I've found out.

I watched the game yesterday. During the opening, I sobbed for the victims and grieved for what will never be the same. Once the game started, I cheered for the players who have had NOTHING to do with this tragedy and deserve to play out the season. I feel so sad for them, especially the seniors. They are victims as well. There are so very many victims in all of this and those who are responsible must be held accountable no matter who they are.

[MadHound]

53. I enjoy college football,

I enjoyed watching my MU Tigers pound the Longhorns yesterday. But I'm still disgusted by what has happened at Penn State. What happened there is not, though many would wish otherwise, a condemnation of the entire sport of football, but rather just what happened at PSU.

[Avalux]

54. It shouldn't be a condemnation of PSU football either.

The young men on the team - they didn't do anything wrong, and deserve the opportunity to continue to play with new leadership.

During the opening of the game, I sobbed for the victims and the loss...things will never be the same at my alma mater. Once the game started, I cheered for the team and for those players who will graduate and never return. It's difficult to put into words. :(

[treestar]

55. Of course. Using this to somehow discredit the sport of football

is trivializing the issue. Then we may as well stop education, as many molestations have occurred in schools.