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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 07:40 AM Original message |
So if Penn State fired the University President, and head football coach, why didn't they fire.... |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. He may have been |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
2. No shit. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. one has power and authority. one does not. and i agree he should have gone to cops |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. Yes, he should have gone to the police. However, there are mitigating circumstances. |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Joe wasn't aware of any other accusations |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Yeah, right. I don't believe that for one split second. Either part of it. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Agreed...the charges are so horrific that even if you don't believe them... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Precisely. Whether you thought it was true, not true, or were unsure, you take some action. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #32 |
67. I flat out do not believe that. I believe he may have been in denial but that is not the same thing |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
66. I get that. But what about calling 911? The cops come and it is no longer just his word |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
4. What do we know definitively about his role? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 08:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. The guy claims to be just a witness but his actions are those of |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I know, I agree. I was just hoping for help... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. your timeline is correct |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Oh, I understand completely why they kept this "loyal employee" on staff but what I don't get is |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I understand why they kept him too. I just don't understand how he could stay. |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Exactly. I can't envision a story that justifies how he and Paterno.... |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
38. NBC Sports editorial about McQueary here: |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. hmm -- that says McQueary is under investigation by the grand jury |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Good catch... |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
69. I've developed a theory about McQueary... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I dunno -- he doesn't fit Sandusky's profile |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. True. It also doesn't explain the janitor not interceding. |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #45 |
77. "tough kid" ?!?! Jeebus - he was 28 when he witnessed the anal rape back in March 2002, so that |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
5. Glad they started at the top (not the bottom), but he should go too. n/t |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
7. I think he may be untouchable for a time |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
8. His time there as an employee is short. He has alot to explain. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
9. I dont think his name was ever in the Grand Jury Report |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
10. I'm sure it's coming sooner or later. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #10 |
26. "They need him to finish the season" - As if any further proof |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. I tend to give McQueary the benefit of the doubt. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Plus, when you're are accusing a sacred cow (like Sakndusky) and you're |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. Joe didn't water anything down |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Were you in the room?... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
12. My guess is his time is short too - |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
13. He should also be let go |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. He wasn't just a student. He was a 28 year-old former Penn State quarterback... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
14. I dont think he will be there long with this hanging over his head. nm |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
19. fire him for what? |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. For not reporting the crime to the police. Remember, he was 26 years old. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. 28, and 6'4". |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Here the part of the story I don't understand |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. There are two separate incidents |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. The 1998 one was very fishy |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
71. sandusky |
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LibertyLover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
57. From what I remember from visiting a friend going to PSU in |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:31 AM Response to Reply #20 |
78. what difference did it make how old he was at the time? |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
21. well the current coaching staff will ALL be gone after three more games anyway |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
23. Do you really think he'll be on the sidelines Saturday? P.S. He's the State's star witness. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. He would be torn apart by the fans |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
25. he had a split-second decision to make. yes, he chose poorly |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I wish you would make these observations an OP - really captures |
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KatyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
47. So it's better for a 10 year old to be raped |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. You're creating a strawman, probably not intentionally. What I and |
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KatyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. I see your point in the second paragraph |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I am the type who will throw away my career for the quixotic |
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KatyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. I'm like you |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. In the grand jury report, McCreary testified that both Sandusky and |
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KatyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. That's a very interesting point |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. He wasn't some ordinary greaduate student |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. I'm not sure that would have made a bit of difference |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. Oh, it makes a little bit of difference |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. I understand what you are saying but I find it hard to believe that... |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
35. Well, the janitor that caught him with a little boy |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. Exactly. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
63. I think the rape the janitor witnessed was first. "Fall of 2000" n/t |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
41. Certainly should be fired |
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rdking647 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
44. anyone that knew |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
46. I See His As a Much Grayer Area |
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thelordofhell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
50. Give Penn State credit |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
54. and the board should fire themselves also - I bet some of them knew |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
58. Also, the Athletic Director (who is under indictment) is "on administrative leave" |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
59. Way too many assumptions being made here |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
62. As a graduate student, was he a mandated reporter? n/t |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. As a human being, isn't he a mandatory reporter? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. The distinction isn't trivial. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Anyone who believes they are witnessing a crime is obligated to report it. |
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sweetapogee (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
68. this is |
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