I am seeing subtle signs of entryism which are making me nervous.

[LoZoccolo]

[mmonk]

1. What is entryism?

[BOG PERSON]

4. n/m

[Pirate Smile]

2. What is "entryism"? I googled - here is the definition

Entryism (or entrism or enterism) is a political tactic by which an organisation or state encourages its members or agents to infiltrate another organisation in an attempt to gain recruits, or take over entirely. In situations where the organisation being "entered" is hostile to entryism, the entryists may engage in a degree of subterfuge to hide the fact that they are, in fact, an organisation in their own right.

Entryism does not involve dissolving the small organisation into the larger one. Entryism is often (but not always) done secretly and often in organisations run on Leninist lines. The strategy of entryism is as old as politics itself.<1>

[SoCalDem]

26. Politics 101

especially when it comes to republican politics

they did it with think tanks that morphed into "policy" paper writing factories, and spread their "works" into newspapers/tv and throughout congress..they often tagged these as "non-partisan" when they got a super conservative dem to join them for a hefty stipend.

they did it with pbs
they did it to the sierra club

working from within is an age-old method of destabilization. They dp not have to take over the entity..just sow enough discordance to frustrate the organization. soon enough, people who love the entity will tire of the nonsense and quit in disgust

[Pirate Smile]

28. Certainly knew about it. Just hadn't heard of that term as name for it.

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[WinkyDink]

40. "Infiltration" is a perfectly fine word.

[Chan790]

57. You mean like my concerns a few weeks back about the invasion of the false-flag-waving Paulites...

where I was called insane and polemical because I wanted to eject them from the Occupy * movement for what was clearly a tactically-planned and executed national strategy to co-opt Occupy * into the Ron Paul End-the-Fed/Gold Standard extreme-RW faux-libertarian tent.

[SomethingFishy]

3. Just noticing this now?

:shrug:

[Nostradammit]

5. Been hanging out in the 9-11 forum, have you?

[LoZoccolo]

10. Entryism is one of the things that destroyed Students for a Democratic Society.

[Nostradammit]

17. You'll be happy to learn they are not destroyed, I am sure.

http://www.newsds.org/

[LoZoccolo]

37. That was after like thirty years of them being gone.

[Nostradammit]

46. Then they weren't destroyed, were they?

[LoZoccolo]

55. Would you be happy to break up the Occupy movement for thirty years?

[Nostradammit]

60. Of course not.

What a ridiculous question.

[hobbit709]

21. Where you there?

[rug]

32. Oh really? Which faction do you suspect of entryism?

[socialist_n_TN]

36. Yep. That would be my question too

One person's "entryism" is another person's influencing.

[LoZoccolo]

39. I haven't discerned an organization or ideology, just some tactics that appear to be controlling.

[rug]

44. Well you identified one organization, SDS, which you say was "entrified".

Therefore, by whom?

[LoZoccolo]

53. I have no evidence that the Progressive Labor Party is practicing the entryism this time.

[rug]

59. So you believe the worker-student alliance within SDS was entryism.

You must be getting horrible flashbacks when you see unions endorsing Occupy Wall Street.

[LoZoccolo]

67. You're talking about at different thing now.

[gateley]

6. Hasn't this always been going on? nt

[LoZoccolo]

12. I was encouraged that it didn't seem to be happening as much with the Occupy movement.

[gateley]

61. Oh - I didn't know that's what you were referring to. I'd have

to agree. Probably because they didn't feel threatened at first, right?

[white_wolf]

7. Entryism by who?

If you mean by socialists than yes, there are a few of us in the movement, but none of them I've met are being very subtle about it.

[TheKentuckian]

8. I'm seeing blatant signs of corporatism and selling the people out in pitiful little fake

political food fights masquerading as a democratic process and choices in directions.

The real entryism happened years and years ago when the party was given over to the Turd Way/"centrist" types who have transformed us into a disgusting mix of the last two decades models of Republicans given cover almost completely by the astroturfed, corporate pawn Teabaggers without whom our party would be hard pressed to explain our willful transformation to what we have opposed for generations.

[louslobbs]

18. Hell yeah! Now that's what I'm talkin about TheKentuckian, kick that comment : couldn't agree more.

Lou

[WillyT]

23. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

:applause::applause::applause:

:hi:

:kick:

[rbnyc]

41. +1 nt

[TheKentuckian]

69. Nice to come across someone on this board who's name starts with rb that isn't

ideologically in the neighborhood of William F Buckley.

[redqueen]

64. +1

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. So now I need to call the DLC REDS?

Thanks lozzo, funny stuff.

[LoZoccolo]

11. I'm talking about the Occupy movement, not the Democratic Party.

[white_wolf]

13. Please tell me. What group is doing this?

Is it the Paulites, the Marxists, who?

[LoZoccolo]

15. The reason that I say it's subtle is that it's not yet obvious who has a stake in it.

[blindpig]

29. There is a spectre haunting Zuccotti Park.....

:eyes:

[white_wolf]

33. I actually don't know if there are any Marxists there or not.

I know aside from myself there were two others at my local Occupy and one Wobbie. Seriously, though this thread has me confused.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. I can confirm one social democrat at my local occupy

and she is not there all the time either...

[TBF]

72. I was cautioned from the get-go that socialists were involved in the Houston

occupy - they made fun of my reference to the Houston Communist Party so I haven't really felt comfortable attending. I almost went Friday but then chickened out when it was so cold (I've gotten soft in my old age).

[TBF]

70. If only ...

:patriot:

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. So tell me who are these OWS you speak off?

Or are you afraid of them because you are part of "the system?" to use a 1960s usage.

[LoZoccolo]

16. The thing I'm afraid of is infighting.

[white_wolf]

19. Infighting is a necessary evil.

Unless you want an authoritarian movement dedicated to the will of small group or leader, you are always going to have some degree of infighting.

[SomethingFishy]

20. Really? You are afraid of infighting?

Then why do you post such divisive shit? This is a serious question. You make these one line posts that seem to try to divide the people. You seem to want to have a litmus test of some kind to determine who is a "good" Democrat, you spend an inordinate amount of time talking about Ralph Nader when he's not even in the spotlight anymore.

From where I'm sitting infighting seems to be what you like best. Care to explain?

[LoZoccolo]

35. My litmus test would simply be if they vote Democratic and not thwart their general efforts.

[tkmorris]

65. You didn't answer Fishy's question

[LoZoccolo]

68. I like to address one thing at a time in this type of thread.

[mmonk]

27. There will be infighting if either anarchists or agent provocateurs

engage in destructive actions of peoples property who are not the target instead of the peaceful demonstration tact originally taken.

[Texasgal]

30. Democracy is all about

infighting.

It's not a simple pretty bow on top. It's messy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Democracy is all kinds of fun isn't it?

Tell you what... in all seriousness, you need to go down there. I swear, they don't byte.

[Rex]

50. See nadin

what we were talking about the other night is true! :rofl:

What more evidence do we need then this?
:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. Yup

and given that some real long standing members are part of the movement, or familiar to it... or friendly, or what have you.

Just walked home from visiting my local very soggy occupy...

[NorthCarolina]

42. Well, to be honest you could

have been referencing the DLC within Democratic Party. That would most certainly be a valid argument.

[Lucian]

22. Another one of your OPs with no substance or explanation.

:eyes:

[11 Bravo]

24. Practice "exitism", and all your fears will be assuaged. (And the rest of us will no longer ...

have to decipher your random bullshit.)

[fascisthunter]

25. you are a riot....

I'm glad people do not take you serious anymore.


"ooga booga"

[LoZoccolo]

34. I think you meant to say "dooga dooga".

[demigoddess]

31. aka republican tactics.

nothing new.

[Canuckistanian]

38. Entryism is next to Godlyism

Unrec. As per usual.

[Edweird]

43. Irony overload.....

[Electric Monk]

48. Totally

[Ohio Joe]

49. Agreed - nt

[Bonobo]

45. Oh you mean Democrats acting like Democrats and not DINOS? nt

[SoDesuKa]

51. It's Making Me Nervous Too

I worry about entryism, but I am also fearful that I may not get everything that's coming to me.



I am due beer and travel money
and many experiences.

[Puzzledtraveller]

52. que?

[Taverner]

54. Are you referring to Uganda? nt

[2banon]

56. Do you mean Co-option or Infiltration? SDS was infiltrated vis a vis Cointelpro

[Zorra]

66. Subtle?!? The Third Way is a full scale invasion of the Democratic Party.

What you been smokin', LZ?

How could you have missed this?

[TBF]

71. The movement has never stated any particular ideology, so how can there by entryism?

And I wouldn't really count the Paulites, they sort of turn up everywhere like Mormon Missionaries and Jehovah's Witnesses. :shrug: