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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:42 AM
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Port of Oakland is shut down!
From livestream. The port of Oakland is reported shut down. A mile long line of container trucks sitting on the road waiting to get in.

:bounceygreenhappythangojoy:

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:44 AM
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1. WOW!!!! nt
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:45 AM
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2. This is in conjunction
OWS??? Very cool.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:47 AM
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8. Not really.
The dock workers union organized a work stoppage over questions about container safety.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:49 AM
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11. Doesn't that sound like spin to cover the planned strike? nt
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:51 AM
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15. No
Edited on Wed Nov-02-11 11:52 AM by RandySF
The union is complaining loudly and rightfully about refrigerated containers that have been exploding in various ports. I'm 100% behind OWS, but I like to have facts straight.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/localnews/ci_19242889
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:06 PM
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26. "port officials said the docks would be open...."
It would appear that the union has also been voicing support for OWS. I imagine support for the one may have been instrumental in the timing of the strike... solidarity and all that. :shrug:


"...Unions, including the California Nurses Association, SEIU Local 1021, the Oakland Educational Association and the longshoreman's union also have expressed support without vowing to strike; walkouts could violate their labor agreements." contrasted against "While some small city businesses planned to close Wednesday, port officials said the docks would be open...."


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2016665799_occupy02.html
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:45 AM
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3. Help Me Here - Why Is It Shut Down? And Who Shut It Down?.....nt
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:46 AM
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5. the people.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:47 AM
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6. OWS Oakland organized a general strike today
to protest the OPD crackdown last week that put Scot Olsen in a coma.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:47 AM
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7. OWS oakland.
it's part of a general strike.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:49 AM
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12. ILW rank and file members shut it down.
I'm assuming there was a picket line they did not cross.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:30 PM
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32. thanks for the info
;)
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:45 AM
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4. The power always was, and always is, in the hands of the people!
:patriot:
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:47 AM
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9. K&R nt
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:49 AM
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10. Could it be related to the exploding reefer containers?
Edited on Wed Nov-02-11 11:49 AM by MicaelS
From MSNBC - 8,000 deadly exploding containers feared on loose

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45128660/ns/local_news-seattle_wa/#.TrF0HrKwU2E


SEATTLE -- Emergency procedures are being instituted at ports in Western Washington after a string of problems with exploding shipping containers. The problem, say those familiar with the situation, is not with the cargo but with the containers themselves.

At issue are refrigerated containers called “reefers,” which passed through Vietnam since the first of the year. The working theory is the units have been contaminated with bad coolant which can become explosive when exposed to oil, even air. There could be as many as 8,000 worldwide, according to one shipping industry estimate.

But it is still a theory. “What seems strange to us as a union is that they cannot pinpoint the problem,” said Chris Peeler, a member of the Labor Relations Committee of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, local 19 in Seattle.

The Ports of Seattle and Tacoma both acknowledged they are working with the ILWU, the Pacific Maritime Association, the group representing the shipping lines, and the United States Coast Guard. New procedures are now in place to quarantine suspect refrigerated containers until it is proved they have not passed through Vietnam since the beginning of 2011, or are rendered safe.


More at link....
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:50 AM
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14. Convenient story, isn't it? nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:52 AM
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16. Here's the Contra Costa Times live update blog:
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:54 AM
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18. Maybe, but it's also the truth
Perhaps the union decided it was a good idea to hold the strike in conjunction with OWS, but the causes were clearly stated by the union.
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:54 AM
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19. Not convenient at all, people have died...
Those Union member are trying to protect each other, and the public.

"Trade industry reports say two workers have been killed in Vietnam and another in Brazil. There are no reports of workers injured in the United States."
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:06 PM
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27. That only effects 2 terminals, the whole port is down /nt
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 01:52 PM
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42. ...madness.
as in--

oh, never mind.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:50 AM
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13. I don't think it's all about the general strike OWS
Terminal traffic at the Port of Oakland was disrupted for the second straight day Tuesday over concerns about hazardous shipping containers, and the problem could grow worse if Wednesday's planned general strike shuts down the port.

The dockworkers' union first forced the shutdown of the SSA and TraPac marine terminals Monday because it did not want its workers endangered by refrigerated containers that had been serviced in Vietnam during March and April and could explode when they are powered up.

According to an Oct. 26 article in World Cargo News, refrigerated containers have been quarantined around the world after reports of "compressor explosions and incidents of spontaneous combustion that have resulted in at least three fatalities."


http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/localnews/ci_19242889
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:53 AM
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17. So I take it the union would not strike for reasons other than technical safety issues?
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:55 AM
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20. Perhaps the timing was advantageous
But the root cause is the refrigerated containers exploding in Asia.
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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:55 AM
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21. This is strictly due to OWS. Be wary of anyone saying otherwise. nt
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:56 AM
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22. Rubbish, people have DIED...
Unions are trying to protect their members lives.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:04 PM
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25. You mean like the union that organized the shutdown?
:eyes:

The potential of some people to have faith-based "knowledge" scares me.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:08 PM
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28. then you scare yourself
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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 01:50 PM
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41. All the sources that matter have reported it as in solidarity with the general strike...
Including a member of the ILWU that has addressed Occupy Oakland numerous times. No matter how contrarian people wish to be, it doesn't change the facts.
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IndyPragmatist Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:35 PM
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35. Hijacking a protest hurts the cause
They are demanding safer conditions. If this becomes part of OWS, then they don't have the leverage that they once had. They are trying to accomplish something specific: increasing safety in regards to exploding containers.

People here were up in arms when Ron Paul supporters showed up at OWS. But this is okay?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 01:01 PM
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38. Ron Paul supports wealthy private interests gaining more wealth
Edited on Wed Nov-02-11 01:02 PM by Zorra
and subsequently more power to control the government.

The direct opposite of a major, and arguably, the primary concern, of OWS. Many of Paul's positions are contrary to the concerns of OWS.

Political positions of Ron Paul

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 11:59 AM
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23. Whether or not there's a planned connection
between this and OWS, they're all part of the same larger issue.

And we of the 99% are all in this together.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:01 PM
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24. Any media coverage on this yet or is Cain the only thing on? nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 01:48 PM
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40. Bread and circus so far
Add the Kardashians.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:08 PM
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29. If true...amazing. Can't remember something like this...a labor strike on general
protests, not having to do with specific union contracts.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:29 PM
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30. kick
and rec'd :kick:
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:30 PM
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31. SEATLE TIMES reporting Port shut down (link)
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:31 PM
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33. Okland announced a General Strike a few days ago. OWS is in support of it
the people are in support of this. The Unions are in support of this. Titles and "groups" do not matter; the people of Oakland are on strike.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:49 PM
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37. K&R your post!
Very well stated.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:32 PM
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34. YES!!!!
SHUT IT DOWN!!!
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 12:35 PM
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36. What I know about ports, strikes, and Oakland
Part of my job is logistics manager for our small business. We bring in several container loads every week from Asia. It's my job to know what's going on at all the ports of entry so I can make informed decisions about how to route goods.

Oakland is ALWAYS the first to strike when there's a dispute. Oakland unions will strike in solidarity with other unions almost all the time.

A large percentage of inbound freight moves through the Port of Oakland on a daily basis. It's high shipping season for holiday product in every retail niche imaginable. Unless the governor invokes Taft-Hartley, a lot of businesses are going to be hurt.

As goes Oakland, so goes the nation. The last time the Port of Oakland shut down, LA and NY went down in solidarity. This could get very big.

BTW, just because I'm in logistics doesn't mean I'm not in solidarity with #OccupyOakland. While nobody needs my company's crap, I do need a job...
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 01:44 PM
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39. _^_
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 04:19 PM
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43. Waaaaaay cool!
Makes my heart leap for joy.

Even if it's being done purportedly because of a "container safety" issue, the timing is great and it plugs into OWS very neatly.

:bounce:
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