Now the Federal Gvt wants your sons to get a Gardasil vaccination

[Remember Me]

Panel Endorses HPV Vaccine for Boys of 11

Boys and young men should be vaccinated against human papillomavirus, or HPV, to protect against anal and throat cancers that can result from sexual activity, a federal advisory committee said Tuesday.


The recommendation by the panel, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is likely to transform the use of the HPV vaccine, since most private insurers pay for vaccines once the committee recommends them for routine use. The HPV vaccine is unusually expensive. Its three doses cost pediatricians more than $300, and pediatricians often charge patients hundreds more.

The committee recommended that boys ages 11 and 12 should be vaccinated. It also recommended vaccination of males ages 13 through 21 who had not already had all three shots. Vaccinations may be given to boys as young as 9 and to men between the ages of 22 and 26.

The committee recommended in 2006 that girls and young women ages 11 to 26 should be vaccinated, but vaccination rates in the United States have so far been disappointing.

The vaccine has been controversial because the disease it prevents results from sexual activity, and that controversy is likely to intensify with the committee’s latest recommendation since many of the cancers in men result from homosexual sex. The HPV vaccine became a source of contention among Republican presidential candidates after some candidates criticized Gov. Rick Perry of Texas for trying to require that girls in his state be vaccinated. Representative Michele Bachmann falsely suggested that the vaccine causes mental retardation.


more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/health/policy/26vaccine.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

The aricle doesn't mention that Gardasil is controversial because its side effects are utterly devastating -- including death.

Here's just one article. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500803_162-4240888-500803.html

Google yields up a ton of info.

[originalpckelly]

1. I think not getting vaccinated is a great idea.

That way they can get an HPV related cancer, like penile cancer, and have their dick amputated.
Or maybe throat cancer, and never be able to swallow again.
Or get genital warts that will fuck them up so bad no one will want to fuck them ever again.

Keep it up you anti-vax nuts, you're irresponsible nonsense will literally kill people.

[Ohio Joe]

4. +1 - nt

[originalpckelly]

12. And it's especially bad, because men who have sex with men///

will benefit from this the most.

But make no mistake, straight guys who go down on their special lady friends are taking a risk with their lives if they don't get the vaccine. The vagina and the labia are perfect areas to have an infection, and that comes into contact with the guys mouth, which is another perfect place for the virus to thrive.

HPV is fucking deadly serious.

[Mimosa]

39. My MD prof friend said the same thing, Originalpckelly. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. + a gazillion

[Remember Me]

7. The problem is

these "irresponsible" DRUGS kill people. You really need to get beyond your knee-jerk reaction to such articles and go get an education.

Or not.

[originalpckelly]

14. No, remember me, I know about the vaccine.

It is not a bad thing, and although there are from time to time adverse reactions to vaccines, vaccines remain the best tool medicine has ever created to prevent human suffering and death.

If you don't want the vaccine, then you don't have to get it. But quit trying to brainwash people with your bullshit.

[Remember Me]

36. MY bullshit? I'm not the one writing the articles -- as if they were made up

out of whole cloth.

I'm not the one reporting a shitload of adverse reactions including too many deaths.

And for other other responses -- don't hand me that "no scientific proof" or "no link" shit -- of COURSE the marketers and their toadies and sycophants and bought-off researchers say that, of COURSE the pharmaceuticals hide the evidence or skew the tests, buying university researchers if they have to, to keep on producing those megaprofits.

Ya'll should've taken notice and rubbed a few brain cells together when the young girls of the whole damn state of Texas were suddenly going to be "helped" by Republican legislators -- REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS, people who are known (if not sworn) to not give a rat's ass about ANY female human's health, except to DENY it whenever they can. And all for a drug that isn't even that effective at what it's purported to do. With that much MONEY corrupting the politics involved, common sense alone tells you there's more corruption involved even before it got that far.


vaccines remain the best tool medicine has ever created to prevent human suffering and death

I haven't argued OTHERwise, so it's grossly unfair, and a strawman to boot, to try to characterize what I've said that way OR to accuse me of trying to "brainwash" people. I AM trying to inform people. If you consider that brainwashing, what the hell are YOU doing but the same?

[originalpckelly]

37. Sweetie, you're buying into an anti-vax campaign started by modern puritans.

Just what are you people going to do when they have a vaccine for another STD like HIV?

[Texasgal]

9. It should be a choice

not a mandate. Period.

Otherwise I have no issue.

[SidDithers]

19. This is a recommendation, not a mandate...nt

Sid

[Texasgal]

22. Hey, I hear you

Our Governor tried to make it a mandate. I do not agree.

Vaccinations good= mandates with financial gain= BAD.

[SidDithers]

24. Gotcha...

:thumbsup:

Sid

[lbrtbell]

11. You pro-vaxxers are drug-happy and hysterical

Gardasil doesn't even protect against all forms of cancer. It's just another money-making scheme by Big Pharma for sheeple like you.

There's a much simpler form of protection, but you see, Big Pharma can't make billions off condom sales.

[originalpckelly]

15. It protects against the strains which cause a large number of these cancers.

If you want to go unvaccinated, like fucking dumb ass, be my guest.

[SidDithers]

2. Good, the HPV vaccine has proven safe and effective...nt

Sid

[originalpckelly]

3. We finally have a vaccine that can prevent cancers...

and these stupid fucks are trying to fight it. God help us if they ever have a vaccine for HIV, someone fucking moron will probably do this shit to it too.

[catabryna]

5. Awesome...

If it's available for my son... he get's it.

Why should it always be up to the woman?

[Remember Me]

8. I sure hope you'll take a look at what it's done to women before

you make that final decision. I wouldn't let a child of mine anywhere NEAR that stuff. YMMV.

[SidDithers]

18. And Michelle Bachmann knows someone whose daughter got the vaccine...

and became mentally retarded.

It's true. Bachmann said so.

Sid

[originalpckelly]

21. In other news, Rep. Bachmann informed an audience that she received Gardisil...

:spank:

[catabryna]

20. I have a close up view of what happens to women

who get HPV. I had pre-cancerous cells in the mid 80s. I had to have those pre-cancerous cells frozen in my cervix frozen at age 22. I was rendered infertile.

My mileage definitely varies. I adopted a boy from another country. It's a lot more difficult than the normal way.

[originalpckelly]

25. I'm glad you're here to tell us.

Please tell these people about the stupidity of this anti-vaccine campaign. We must do it.

This campaign will only get worse now that it's been approved for boys, because it will offer a lot of protection to males who engage in homosexual activities, as we are at a higher risk from anal and penile cancers than other guys who don't.

[catabryna]

30. Just say no... right? That works, doesn't it?

lol!

[Remember Me]

38. It works IF people are informed about it. And that's what I'm trying to do

You make up your own mind, but do it AFTER you've looked at the evidence, not before.

I am sorry you had such a bad experience. But I'm glad you agree with me that people ought to have all the information they need to make an INFORMED decision.

Frankly, even had I experienced what you did, I still don't think I'd let any child of mine near that particular drug, but that just demonstrates that given the same information people will make different decisions. I am extremely pain averse -- physical pain, emotional pain. The risk of losing a child or having them crippled presumably for life, stops me cold in my tracks. I admire your courage. I hope the vaccine works out well for your son. Too bad we live in a country with such lax laws and regulations and oversight by our government -- and such corruption and greed on the part of pharmaceuticals -- that it's in any way appropriate to say: I "hope" it works out well.

[catabryna]

47. I've been following this issue for years...

and every other bogus anti-vac stuff I've seen over the years.

I am the mom of a kid with a bilateral cleft lip and palate, short stature, and high functioning autism.

None of these things were the result of a vaccination.

My son is also, intact. He needs to be protected. He also needs to protect.

I would be an idiot of a mom if I disregarded this vaccine.

[The Straight Story]

16. I had a friend whose two daughters that got really ill after getting it

She pushed them to get it (she is a nurse) and now regrets doing so.

People have different make ups and respond in different ways to it (like with all meds).

I am not a fan of forcing people to do things.

[originalpckelly]

17. Their doctors narrowed it down to the vaccine?

It couldn't have been caused by anything else, right?

[catabryna]

23. I don't buy anecdotal stories... nt

[originalpckelly]

27. The post marketing surveillance shows that the most common side effect...

is fainting and dizziness, and that's it.

[catabryna]

28. Seeing my 11 year old boy faint in my arms...

would be the funniest thing ever! It will never happen. :)

[originalpckelly]

29. Yes, it's just the most common side effect...

it rarely happens. I'd be curious as to why it does.

[catabryna]

31. I think it's the sight of the needle. nt

[The Straight Story]

32. Do you buy their own website? Here it is:

The safety of a vaccine is an important part of its story. That’s why Merck and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) are committed to monitoring the safety of GARDASIL on an ongoing basis.

What are the possible GARDASIL side effects?
The most common GARDASIL side effects are:

pain, swelling, itching, bruising, and redness at the injection site
headache
fever
nausea
dizziness
vomiting
fainting

Fainting can happen after getting GARDASIL. Sometimes people who faint can fall and hurt themselves. For this reason, your health care professional may ask you to sit or lie down for 15 minutes after you get GARDASIL. Some people who faint might shake or become stiff. This may require evaluation or treatment by your health care professional.

Tell your health care professional if any of the following problems occur because these may be signs of an allergic reaction:

difficulty breathing
wheezing (bronchospasm)
hives
rash

Tell your health care professional about:

swollen glands (neck, armpit, or groin)
joint pain
unusual tiredness, weakness, or confusion
chills
generally feeling unwell
leg pain
shortness of breath
chest pain
aching muscles
muscle weakness
seizure
bad stomach ache
bleeding or bruising more easily than normal

Contact your health care professional right away if any of these symptoms concern you, even several months after getting the vaccine.

For a more complete list of GARDASIL side effects, ask a doctor or health care professional.

Is it possible to get HPV or any disease caused by HPV from GARDASIL?
No. It is not possible to get HPV or any disease caused by HPV from GARDASIL. That’s because there is no live virus in the vaccine.

Instead, GARDASIL contains a protein that helps the body’s immune system produce antibodies against HPV—without causing an infection.

For more information on GARDASIL, talk to a doctor or health care professional.

Who should not get GARDASIL?
People should not get GARDASIL if they have, or have had:

an allergic reaction after getting a dose of GARDASIL.
a severe allergic reaction to yeast, amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, polysorbate 80.

What should my health care professional know before giving GARDASIL?
Tell your health care provider if you:

are pregnant or planning to get pregnant. GARDASIL is not recommended for use in pregnant women.
have immune problems, like HIV infection, cancer, or you take medicines that affect your immune system.
have a fever over 100°F (37.8°C).
had an allergic reaction to another dose of GARDASIL.
take any medicines, even those you can buy over the counter.

Your doctor or health care professional will help you decide if you or your child should get the vaccine.
INFORMATION ABOUT GARDASIL

GARDASIL is the only human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine that helps protect against 4 types of HPV. In girls and young women ages 9 to 26, GARDASIL helps protect against 2 types of HPV that cause about 75% of cervical cancer cases, and 2 more types that cause 90% of genital warts cases. In boys and young men ages 9 to 26, GARDASIL helps protect against 90% of genital warts cases.

GARDASIL also helps protect girls and young women ages 9 to 26 against 70% of vaginal cancer cases and up to 50% of vulvar cancer cases.

GARDASIL may not fully protect everyone, nor will it protect against diseases caused by other HPV types or against diseases not caused by HPV. GARDASIL does not prevent all types of cervical cancer, so it’s important for women to continue routine cervical cancer screenings. GARDASIL does not treat cancer or genital warts. GARDASIL is given as 3 injections over 6 months.
IMPORTANT SAFETY INFORMATION

Anyone who is allergic to the ingredients of GARDASIL, including those severely allergic to yeast, should not receive the vaccine. GARDASIL is not for women who are pregnant.

The side effects include pain, swelling, itching, bruising, and redness at the injection site, headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, and fainting. Fainting can happen after getting GARDASIL. Sometimes people who faint can fall and hurt themselves. For this reason, your health care professional may ask you to sit or lie down for 15 minutes after you get GARDASIL. Some people who faint might shake or become stiff. This may require evaluation or treatment by your health care professional.

Only a doctor or health care professional can decide if GARDASIL is right for you or your child.

You are encouraged to report negative side effects of prescription drugs to the FDA. Visit www.fda.gov/medwatch or call 1-800-FDA-1088.

Read the Patient Product Information or the Prescribing Information for GARDASIL.

http://www.gardasil.com/what-is-gardasil/gardasil-side-effects/

[originalpckelly]

34. I was actually reading from the FDA website on the matter.

I encourage you to take the two seconds I did to search for adverse events and gardisil, and come up with the same information.

These side effects are not given with numbers, as it is on the FDA's website. Syncope is the most commonly reported side effect.

[catabryna]

41. That's the same sort of shit warning I got when I was taking

birth control 30 years ago! In fact, it's the same warning women get today.

Puhleeze!

[The Straight Story]

33. Oh - and let's highlight this for ya

Who should not get GARDASIL?
People should not get GARDASIL if they have, or have had:

an allergic reaction after getting a dose of GARDASIL.
a severe allergic reaction to yeast, amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, polysorbate 80.

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So we should just give it everyone cause people are all the same?

Do YOU really believe that?

[originalpckelly]

35. You know, the same could be said of any vaccine.

Should we say that MMR shouldn't be required?

I bet you could dig up the same exact minor side effects too.

[catabryna]

48. Did I say that?

Nope, I didn't.

:smoke:

[catabryna]

40. Delete. Wrong place. nt

[TwilightGardener]

10. Pediatricians make a big profit off of vaccinations?

(Says in the article they charge "hundreds more" to administer the HPV.) That's really lame.

[kestrel91316]

13. Good. They need to stop spreading it (HPV) around to the girls.

[Name removed]

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[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

42. Big Pharma is supressing an organic cure to the spread of HPV!

It has been proven that if boys bathe in minced garlic and go on a strict diet of curried kimchi the risk of them transmitted HPV goes to 0%. Spread the word Merck is trying to censor us man!

[gkhouston]

44. Thread win! n/t

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

43. Gardasil: One Mom's Story...

... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xc4yBNV-U0&feature=fvsr

Samples of some of the lively youtube commentary for this video:

Youtuber wka656:

"Shame on you Merck & Co for assuming you have a safe drug in Gardasil just because it may have been checked by the FDA....Thats BS...its dangerous and should not be on the market....Shame on you Phiser for selling the deadly/dangerous Venlafaxine (Effexor)..which cause multiple cardiac arrest episodes and multiple suicide attempts and eventually killed my wife and took my daughters mother from their lives....Shame on YOU and the FDA !!!"


Youtuber Promiselsaih60:

"Did you know that Rupert Murdoch's son James Murdoch who manages the UK paper Sunday Times, is on the board of GlaxoSmithKLine? Sir Nigel Davis, the High Court judge that denied parents of children treated by Dr. Wakefield the right to have their claims against vaccine manufacturers heard in a real court? Davis' brother, who is an executive board member of Elsevier, the group that publishes the Lancet, is also on the board of GlaxoSmithKline. Ethan Huff at NaturalNewsDt Cm~"

"*Google " Vaccine Casualty" Our purpose is to prevent more vaccine casualties by helping parents make informed decisions about vaccination. Vaccines can cause devastating reactions including rashes, fevers, swelling, difficulty breathing, seizures, nervous system disorders, and even death. The truth is vaccines are not safe. In fact, the chance of experiencing an adverse reaction from a vaccine is much greater than that the likelihood of ever contracting the disease in the first place~"


Youtuber 2ndSamual710:

Vax, in part thanks to Bachmann & Perry bringing attention to them, will 1 day (soon I hope) go the way of bloodletting, lobotomies, trepanation. Bloodletting has a long history so musta been peer reviewed & scientifically proven huh? And then there was Antonio Egnaz Moniz, who won Nobel Prize in 1949 for his lobotomies. Really- modern medicine prescribing Coumadin/Warfarin rat poison has little to be proud of. What don't they understand about life being in the blood? Don't waste or pollute it!


Youtuber Mojojojones:

In this day and age we can not, unfortunately, depend on the FDA, EPA, or the AMA to give us sound advice or tell us the truth. There are so many conflicts of interest in these organizations it is sickening. You have to do all the research on your own. Try to eat as organic as possible, grow your own if you can. If a doctor recommends a vaccine or medication research it and make sure the risk is worth it to you. You could die or be permanently disabled for life from something they say is safe.

[NMMNG]

45. OMG a government conspiracy to protect people from cancer

Call your Congressperson RIGHT FUCKING NOW!1!1 Google University says Guardasil is EVIL!1!1


:sarcasm:

[Harmony Blue]

46. I am a big believer in science

but when it comes to vaccines this is where I lose my faith.

People ask me often, if the flu vaccine is worth it? I use the old Hippocratic method to answer their question: What do you eat? Do you put in enough vitamins C in your body? Do you have access to a lot of sun light? What about carrots? What about potassium? If you do not eat healthy, and are elderly, then yes the flu vaccine is worth it.

But for anyone not elderly, leads a semi active life style, and receives enough nutrients, then it is a big fat no.

Next, the biggest problem with virus transmission or bacterial infections is people are not cleaning their hands before eating or using the restroom. Worse, they are using anti-bacterial soaps/moisturizers instead of regular soap. I, and my colleagues, examine a lot of water wells, private, and public. What we find are bacterial strains that are often very resistant to these anti-bacterial soaps. Surprise?

Cleaning your hands with regular soap along with a healthy diet is more than satisfactory.

Vaccines are good for the big ones. HPV is pretty much in a gray area, but if you plan to be sexually active, then a condom is a must. Not just to protect against HPV but to provide a layer of protection against an unwanted pregnancy.

For the too long can't read it crowd:

Common sense is cheaper, and more efficient than vaccines in most cases.

P.S. A healthy diet significantly reduces your chance of cancer even if you have a family history. Likewise a poor diet can cause cancer even if you have no previous family history. What we inherit in our genes may not be perfect, but mutagens can change it for better or worse.

[TheMadMonk]

49. Yes! A thousand times yes! vaccinating boys and girls = strain extinction.

Gardasil works against the most common strains of HPV. Yes this means that over time other strains, strains not guarded against will become more prevalent. More prevalent = an economically viable target of second generation vaccines. Rinse and repeat as needed for tertiary, quaternary, etc.

You claim death as a vaccination complication. Not enough. If the vaccine is at all likely to kill a specific individual, then the disease itself will do similar or greater (deader than dead?) damage. Sad as it may be, you kid, sibling, parent or spouse just got "offed" by a severe case of shit happens.

A disease like diptheria may easily take 2% of a population in one epidemic. Smallpox 20% or more. And HPV perhaps as little as 1% of 1%.But provided the vaccine ultimately leaves more people hale and hearty than "leaving it to nature" it's worth doing.

[catabryna]

50. delete

[catabryna]

51. Poof!

:nuke:

I never posted this.

[Warren DeMontague]

52. Great, more anti-vaccination gibberish and fearmongering.

What, the kids in California who died of whooping cough weren't enough?

Oh, "Google yields up a ton of info". Yes, it yields up a ton of info on the illuminati space lizards who secretly control the world through the Queen of England, too.

Everyone on board the train! WOO WOO!!!