Capitalism is not Democracy.

[cliffordu]

And a Democracy doesn't NEED capitalism.

Just sayin'

[PETRUS]

1. And capitalism usually finds democracy inconvenient. nt

[Marazinia]

2. Yes it does

And now we're finding capitalism inconvenient.

[cliffordu]

3. Predatory capitalism,

Disaster Capitalism, maybe......

regulated capitalism, not so much.

[Marazinia]

8. Regulated Capitalism and socialism might be different words for the same thing, but if not

I'm a socialist.

[AntiFascist]

13. Regulated capitalism is not socialism...

but both could coexist.

[white_wolf]

14. Perhaps in different countries, but I don't think they could exist in the same country.

Socialism is workers control,while capitalism is private control. I don't think the two could co-exist peacefully for very long. As the Cold War showed the two systems can't even co-exist in different nations. This is of course assuming the USSR was a socialist nation, which I don't think it was.

[AntiFascist]

17. They would have to be disengaged from the government...

which in and of itself would seem to be a monumental task. Government would set the ground rules, but there could be no favoritism of one system over the other.

[Marazinia]

20. I've always had a different definition of socialism then

I've always seen socialism as the middle ground between communism and capitalism. Communism is state control of everything. Capitalism is state control of nothing. Socialism is anywhere in between.

I'm for state control of all essential goods and services and for letting the money chasers play in the other areas of the economy, with limitations to prevent worker exploitation or harm to the economy.

Because where I disagree with Marx is about people. People are greedy selfish competitive little bastards and they need an arena to one up each other in. Give it to them. Just make sure it's contained and isn't an area we all depend on for a decent standard of living.

[Rabblevox]

4. It would be nice if we ever REALLY tried Democracy...

(edited for silly final comment)

ain't seen or heard about a real democracy yet. Certainly not here, not ever. Ancient Greece probably came the closest, but they had some pesky voting laws that eliminated about 2/3 of the adult residents.

Those laws were known as the Supreme Diaboldiki.

[Lindsay]

5. But there are lots of people

- mostly on the right, but on the left as well - whom it has served well to conflate the two, so that they appear to believe that free market capitalism is our form of government.

And they make me crazy.

[cliffordu]

6. Yep - kinda my point.

:hi:

[Mimosa]

7. An interesting OP.

As a species human beings need to be evolve past primitive grab and exploit type of economic systems.

[socialist_n_TN]

9. Yep. Capitalism had it's historical place

as a step up from feudalism. Better for creating and accumulating wealth than the previous system. Also better for distributing that wealth. For a while. However the ULTIMATE of capitalism is the SAME GOAL AS FEUDALISM. Which is concentrating that wealth into a family line. Capitalism was just better at creating that wealth.

But now capitalism has outlived it's usefulness and become toxic. Time for a new system of distributing that wealth. That's socialism.

[Mimosa]

10. Welcome to my buddy list.

In a couple of sentences you said it. ;)

[socialist_n_TN]

29. Mimosa, you've ALWAYS been on my buddy list!

:)

[Bozita]

11. Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives...

... will somehow work for the benefit of all. - John Maynard Keynes

[reformist2]

12. A free society chooses the economic system it has.

Capitalism in its purest form is actually the economic equivalent of the law of the jungle. Nobody in their right mind should want that..

[Worship Money]

15. What's worse

Is that even so-called moderated capitalism struggles in any way it can to become completely unregulated, it is never tamed. The true nature of capitalism seems to be to ALWAYS force itself back to its true, "pure" form. Which of course is then never regulated, but rather itself becoming a regulator of government and civil society.

Absolutely disastrous.

[RegieRocker]

23. This is not a free society nor a democracy.

[cliffordu]

32. Now, now now....

try and play nice, alright??

:rofl:

[RegieRocker]

33. Oh OK

[flvegan]

16. It can (and should) be.

[Selatius]

21. Yeah, in a labor co-op, not in a traditional enterprise.

For example, the owners dictate to you what you need to do. You obey or risk termination. A labor co-op is an enterprise where the workers are the owners. In such an enterprise, you work because you will reap the full fruits of your labor, but you work as a team to recognize that common goal. Control is horizontal. In a traditional enterprise, control is typically very vertical, with the top benefiting disproportionately from the labor of all involved.

[canetoad]

18. That is such a fucking profound statement

That about six times I've pulled up the window to respond and six times I've cancelled because words are really inadequate.

Capitalism ain't so-called because men and women have earned through the sweat of their brows; by definition it's the use of capital to gain more capital.

Any political system that requires capital to buy an advantage is corrupt.

Aside from that, how ya going mate? Long time no see :hi:

[cliffordu]

26. No kidding, long time no see!!

I still have the Google earth search with your hometown listed......


Miss your missives.

how ya been???

c

[defendandprotect]

19. Capitalism is anti-democracy ..... indeed, capitalism is fascism ... !!

Despite what we were told in our schools!

Justd sayin' --

[TBF]

22. Rec for sure - some kind of socialism (which means "sharing" in broad terms)

would seem to go much better with democracy.

[blindpig]

24. The capitalists like 'democracy' on their terms...

With their 'money power' and with a governmental organization geared to thwart the popular will(Senate, Electoral College)they prefer the veneer of popular approval(Ya ain't got no one but yerselfs 'ta blame). Fascism is always an option if that ain't working, as long as the profits keep rolling.

[no_hypocrisy]

25. Ironic that capitalism can't thrive in a communist political system, if at all.

Yet when you have unregulated "free enterprise" in a democracy, not only are their goals divergent, but capitalism also feeds on its host, leading to weakening it and destroying it.

[raccoon]

27. THANK YOU! Many people seem to think they go together like Lucy and Ricky.

But they don't. And they aren't synonymous, either.

[Uncle Joe]

28. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, cliffordu.

[cliffordu]

30. Anytime!!!

:hi:

[Uncle Joe]

31. ..

:hi: