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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:30 PM Original message |
Just curious. Anybody still think that this system |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. no, but I haven't thought so for some time.... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
2. That notion died with John F. Kennedy. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. That's for goddamned sure. And was underscored when they got King and RFK shortly after |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Yep, they murder the good people and blame it on others. n/t |
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zappaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
71. Who is "they"? n/t |
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knowbody0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. we need to reboot the whole damn thing |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Just curious, what would "socialized capitalism" look like? n/t |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. Scandinavia? nt |
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knowbody0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
28. greed would be penalized |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. Won't work ... and it's not because of the socialism. |
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knowbody0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. well, I am of the opinion |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. "the greater good?" In a capitalist system??? |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 11:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Which necessitates competition... |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Well it sounds like you got a pretty solid grasp on |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Another thing that is of utmost importance to the naysayers... |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
88. Good thought out post. Thank you. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
83. Hmmm...this post stirs the misty fog of memory of OP's past.... |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 12:07 AM Response to Reply #83 |
93. Thanks comrade |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
5. It would be great, but I don't see how it will happen. The cornered money, such |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. "Possibly a major great depression might do it..." |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Looking back in history, and I don't claim to be an expert ... but most change to |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. Possibly, with the threat of revolution hanging over the heads of the elites. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I agree. If we make the mistake of the 30s again |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 01:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
47. That is one of the problems with revolutions |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
56. And who brought out the bayonets after the October |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #56 |
85. And another thing. The Bolsheviks came to power |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. N.F.W. nt |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I guess I'm stupit tonight Z....... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I'm just guess here, but: No Fucking Way. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. No f'ing way. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Clarity issues huh? |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 02:37 AM Response to Reply #17 |
50. Absolutely right, we probably shouldn't go there, |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Probably not yet comrade-to-be..... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. In regards to your last sentence. To paraphrase Marx |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. "How to avoid the mistakes of the past" |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. We were raised in the Clinton and Bush years and realize conservatism sucks? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Nice to see you again Zorra. I haven't seen you in awhile. I hope you're doing good. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I'm doing awesome |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
89. You made one point that I agree 100% with. Well two points. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. clarity issues |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
15. The system has always been skewed..it is just getting worse over time |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Yeah. Without a competing system, the pretense has just |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
19. no. |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
21. No, not since and including Reagan and those who formed their plans just after WWII. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
23. No. K and R for a clear, concise question. nt |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Thanks, but......... |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
24. Not a chance. The deck is stacked against us |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. That's when the people take the deck |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
27. No me. |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
29. Not in my lifetime. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Not yet, but we are falling fast. Whether that is a good thing or not is a matter of perspective. |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Agreed. IMO, change won't come until those with power are suffering. |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
35. No it can't but I will confess to occassionally forgetting that I know that /nt |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Well it's honest to admit that |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Everyone forgets from time to time. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. That's the ticket wolf........ |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
66. Indeed! |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
37. Well, you already know what I think. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I do comrade, I do......... |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
41. Yes -- but it requires continued care. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
42. No. |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
43. Do not give up... |
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undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
45. no |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 01:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Yes, it will take a cultural shift... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 01:28 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. When I was in college |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. You've just cited my favorite book. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. It is also worth pointing out that Orwell was a socialist. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Thanks for teh recommendations |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. I'll have to look into that book |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
81. I just finished Trotsky's "The History of the Russian Revolution" |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
49. With a national general strike, yes I do. :) |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
51. A revolution is definitely necessary |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
52. if it cannot be reformed than all this OWS business and all other protest are a waste of time |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Disagree with your premise that if it can't be reformed |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
67. Reformed? Hell, yeah. Sure it can. Just like the French monarchy |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
68. Yup, and it will be |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
69. yep. sure can. eom |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
70. literally. re-formed. n/t |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
72. K & R - This is a great thread and I'm learning a lot from it. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #72 |
87. Hey Raksha. It IS a great thread isn't it? |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
74. To illuminate Marxist use of Hegel's dialectic 'system' |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. One small correction. |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Nope |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. You may be right. |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
94. Actually 'you' are right |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
75. Nothing in capitalism is meant to create good conditions for most people |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Exactly true. |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-27-11 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
80. So no one in the DLC, Third Way, have a comment... |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. They never do............ |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. I'll comment for them. "The system is working as intended." |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Well with that I'd actually agree. |
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deadinsider (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
90. Clarifying my former post #59 |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
91. Doubt it. |
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PETRUS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-28-11 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
92. No. |
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