Joe Lieberman introduces bill to take away the citizenship of US citizens

[Eric J in MN]

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http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/13/bill-introduced-to-strip-citizenship-of-americans-supporting-terror-abroad/

The new legislation would expand the list to include “providing material support or resources to a Foreign Terrorist Organization, as designated by the secretary of state, or actively engaging in hostilities against the United States or its allies.”

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In Minnesota, the FBI is trying to indict anti-war activists for "material support of terrorism."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39345147/ns/us_news-security/

[Bonobo]

1. Is that worse than Obama who ways we can kill them upon his order? nt

[kenny blankenship]

4. Joe will set 'em up and Barack will knock 'em down.

Proof that you don't have to be an Aryan.

[Welibs]

16. What, all of a sudden we have a conscience about killing terrorists? If Bush

had done it no one would have said anything and the country would be celebrating every single terrorists death with fireworks and street parties. Bush would have been called a hero but because it's Obama the GOP has the country calling it murder!

Obama's many successes in the war on terror embarrasses the GOP and exposes their failure to kill anyone but innocent people and American troops for lies!

WTF???

[Puregonzo1188]

21. Actually, you might be surprised to learn that many of us opposed Bush's War on Terror as well and

were not celebrating with fireworks nor would we be. And we're less confused as to why people aren't celebrating with fireworks as to why so many of our allies in the fight against Bush's illegal wars and shredding of our Constitution and international law are celebrating when Obama does the same things.

The GOP should be embarrassed, but not because they didn't kill enough people.

[Dragonfli]

43. +1

[MNBrewer]

30. Nobody would care if Bush did it?

I somehow think opposition to Bush policies is one of the reasons that DU came into being. Too bad Obama is continuing those policies (and expanding on them).

[Bonobo]

31. You don't really deserve a response. Go on and copy Bush's followers to your heart's content. nt

[bvar22]

47. Many people at DU, perhaps a majority, consistently oppose the...

...extra Constitutional Powers of the Patriot Act and the Unitary Executive.
It matters not whether it was Bush-the-Lesser,
or now President Obama.

It IS a Policy Thing.

[hobbit709]

2. Then he needs to put himself on top of the list.

[Iggo]

11. Ouch!

But yes.

[newspeak]

22. and to think Lamont could have been in congress

instead of traitor lieberman.

[madrchsod]

3. so that would strip the rights of right wing american terrorists?

[closeupready]

5. They'd need to amend the Constitution. Joe, the Showboater, what a shocker.

:eyes:

[spin]

6. Shades of the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four ...

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[BanzaiBonnie]

8. Ala McCarthyism

We're all terrorists now!

[tk2kewl]

9. can it be retro active...

we can arrest Peter King for supporting the IRA

[mwooldri]

44. that's what I was thinking...

Peter King is a known out and out terrorist supporter. If you have any doubts about this, then wiki this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_hotel_bombing

[MNBrewer]

10. That's the man Al Gore chose to be VP!

And Joe Lieberman is the reason why I did not vote for Al Gore when he ran against Bush.

[Downtown Hound]

15. Everyone blames Nader and those who voted for him for the loss of 2000

But nobody ever mentions that Gore picked one of the most corrupt and hawkish DINO's to be his running mate.

[MNBrewer]

18. This is what did it for me

"The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion," Senator Joseph Lieberman told a rapturous audience at a black church a few Sundays ago, just after being chosen as Al Gore's running mate.

<http://www.thenation.com/article/freedom-religion-%C2%A1si>

SCREW YOU, Joe Lieberman! Freedom of religion is meaningless without freedom FROM religion.

[FiveGoodMen]

28. "not freedom from religion"

Translation: Resistance is futile.

I know who's citizenship we need to take away!

[FloridaJudy]

34. Oh goody! Can I worship Cthulhu?

As long as I'm not an Atheist, right?

[FiveGoodMen]

35. It's okay with me

[karynnj]

25. That was really not known then - if it were true

Thinking back to 2000, I knew that GORE, had been one of the most hawkish, centrist Democrats in the Senate. Two bright spots were his concern on global warning (even if he was pretty mediocre on other environmental issue) and his leadership on the internet.

One area where Lieberman and Gore were good and on the same page was global warming - and Lieberman had the second best record on the environment in the Senate. (The man Gore should have picked had the best.) Lieberman excelled on civil rights issues - which it why it was no surprise that he led on repealing DADT)

Gore has been changed enormously by what happened in 2000 and afterward, but in 2000, it is likely that - in addition to the idea of picking someone who would be seen as the opposite of Bill Clinton on personal values, there were huge areas where Lieberman and Gore were completely in agreement - just as there were between Clinton and Gore.

Lieberman did not, to my knowledge, have a reputation of being corrupt - and certainly not the most corrupt - after all Torrecelli was still in the Senate.

[Bonobo]

33. That choice was what convinced me that Al Gore was not for me.

It is his own fault that he "lost" (though he actually won).

It is the same story with Obama. They are turning on the left and showing themselves to be unprincipled weaklings.

[RockaFowler]

29. Gore should have chosen Bob Graham

Instead he chose Droopy Dog

Florida never would have been in play. Bob Graham would have won it with his eyes closed

[Safetykitten]

12. Joe the rat faced git has nothing to do apparently.

[gordianot]

13. Does material support of those engaged in hostilities against the United States include espionage?

If espionage is included there would be a large number that could be included. Joe has probably covered that detail.

[Eric J in MN]

19. Yes.

"the term 'material support or resources' means any property, tangible or intangible, or service"

Espionage is a service.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002339---A000-.html

[gordianot]

20. Wonderful lets also include lobbyist who represent foreign interests.

That too is a service.

[fascisthunter]

14. so closely aligned with historically totalitarian actions

this man is disgusting. What a small pathetic man he is.

[Sportsguy]

17. Apparently Joe thinks He's Relevant

What a douche.

[chaska]

23. One question: Does this mean Sweden has to take me?!

[msanthrope]

24. What ultimate projection, from our Senator Liberman (Likud). nt

[geardaddy]

26. Well, maybe it'll backfire on Joe if he materially supports the Teabaggers.

[karynnj]

27. What is stupid about this bill is that there are already ways that one can lose their citizenship

that seem to deal with everything Lieberman is saying he is concerned by. I suspect that he finds the legal process too cumbersome. (I don't know anything about the group that set this site up, but it seems well researched and nonpartisan. - http://www.newcitizen.us/losing.html )

At least this version of Lieberman/Brown waits until they are convicted - the previous one removed citizenship as soon as they were indicted. (Brown is of course not the honorable senator from Ohio.)

[Eric J in MN]

46. No court needed by the bill. It's the State Dept which would decide

...if someone materially supported terrorism.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1698.IS:#

[blkmusclmachine]

32. Boilerplate GOP Talking Points eminating from another "New DEM":

:puke:

[Malikshah]

36. Can we pass a bill to strip citizenship to sanctimonious blowhards whose rabid

self-interest is only matched by their unswerving devotion to a country other than their own??

What a loathsome human he is.

[emsimon33]

37. Soon we will be rid of Liberliar

[TheKentuckian]

38. Good ole Joementum remains an odious grinch that is way past twisted.

[sofa king]

39. Like flying Saudis home after 9/11?

That means the citizenship of most of the Bush Administration might be at risk. If the rule of law applied to anyone but us.

[Scuba]

40. Criticizing the war could be construed as "providing material support"....

... Didn't Joe do that once?

[Odin2005]

41. If this passes the government can strip citizenship from anyone it wants.

It just has to declare him/her a terrorist.

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[Sirveri]

45. It would have been better to do this before Awlaki got whacked. Why do we need it now.

Gonna go after some of the dudes in Al Shabab now?