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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:39 PM Original message |
OK, what's with the "OWS demand" that student loan debt be cancelled? |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. IMO it will be used greatly against OWS by the R lie and spin propaganda machine. n/t |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Exactly ,It's a statement fromm our greatest commodity ' Educated Youth ' |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. The the R's should go after OneWisconsinNow.org because they created the sign |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
55. IMO it's a good idea, with all of the money this country comes up with to |
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Devil_Fish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
92. Where on this banner do you see a demand for forgivness of studen debt?? |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #92 |
183. I was thinking along the lines of the petition going around for debt forgiveness. Frankly, |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. I agree with you, although. . .if we have "bail outs" for banks, why not |
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markpkessinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
136. The right-wing response to that would be that the banks paid back the money n/t |
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Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #136 |
152. And they did. If you use that comparison, aren't student loans already "bailing out" students? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. The thinking is, these students did everything right, going into debt to go to college... |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
122. Add to that that student loans are no longer generally dischargeable |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #122 |
129. It really is reprehensible - my kids have many friends who are in so much debt... |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:25 AM Response to Reply #122 |
177. No they won't. A change got through that lowered % of income that |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:07 AM Response to Reply #177 |
178. This does not match my personal experience with one of my |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #178 |
191. That's a horrible situation and hate to think how common it might be. |
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Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
153. I blame the schools for encouraging students to take out huge loans. |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. With what wages are... |
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Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:23 AM Response to Reply #155 |
180. Sure you can. I'm not saying it's easy, but it can be done. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #153 |
181. Maybe it is the schools - they're part of our society and part of the problem. Kudos to you... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #153 |
196. My 23 yr old worked year round, got grants and scholarships, attended state schools |
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Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. I went to a less expensive state university that I could afford. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. You are missing that many younger persons have to go into deep, uncompromising debt.... |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. No, I didn't miss that, and I agree with your "no interest" point... |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Part of the OWS movement is to confront head-on the politically volatile, |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. "We neglected to fully punish Nixon and Watergate because it was too politically volatile." |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. And that is EXACTLY my point. Nixon should have never been pardoned, and in fact, |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. But, he was NOT pardoned because a trial was too politically volatile. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. of course it was horseshit. And why did the public not insist? |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. "...why did the public not insist?" |
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markpkessinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
137. Indeed -- pissed enough to boot Ford out of office for it! n/t |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. The little fish fried and the big fish swam. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
69. Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. The pardon power is absolute so that the next guy can't re-arrest. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. And, let's not forget the Chimp and Scooter Libby. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. Agreed. Stop running for cover. |
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Devil_Fish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
85. We allowed an unelected moron to be inaugurated as POTUS Because it was too |
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rgbecker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
125. Right on Raster! |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
61. Yup. n/t |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
194. our education system is not competitive with China & India, were I think it's free |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. I believe Saturday was a banner day for that. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
6. The problem is that OWS is basically an inkblot test. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
83. No, it's not actually. You have completely misunderstood the whole |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #83 |
143. Pull the other one, it's got bells on it. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:57 AM Response to Reply #143 |
170. Are you really serious? I remember four weeks ago people |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. Who cares what the wingnuts think. #OWS isn't running for office. |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
9. You're not missing anything |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Good for you. Thousands of them can't find a job after going into debt to pay for school. |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Do you honestly believe this idea will sell? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Why not? Debt forgiveness isn't a new idea. |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. I don't disagree that it's the right thing to do. My question is why is so... |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
186. See No. 185 |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
172. Gee all we see from our government is bailouts of S&L's, Wall Street |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #172 |
185. I'm not against forgiving student debt |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
189. See No. 185 |
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nebenaube (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. you had low interest, deferrable debt and a future, they don't... |
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markpkessinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
139. EXACTLY! N/T |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:15 AM Response to Reply #16 |
174. Bingo |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
188. See No. 185 |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
40. The OP is incorrect. This is not a OWS demand but rather an issue for OneWisconsinNow.org |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
127. The social contract has been irretrievably rent, thanks to 30 years of |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #127 |
187. See No. 185 |
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Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
157. Exactly. Those of us who worked and went to state schools so we could afford our education |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
11. Before you go crazy, you need to make sure that it wasnt O'Keefe carrying the sign. nm |
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seacaves (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
12. Is this really a demand? News to me. |
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seacaves (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I saw that banner but I read it as they have huge |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
45. It is not a demand from OWS but rather an issue for OneWisconsinNow. They made the banner |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
17. It's not a "'top of the chart issue' for OWS." It's a "top of the chart issue" for... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. That sounds like an easy excuse for dismissing a real problem, to me. |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. This is beginning to sound like Shay's Rebellion all over again. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
18. "fodder for the right-wingers" |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
21. I just have to ask. |
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PETRUS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Debt is the very basis of our money supply. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Because some of us sacrificed to pay our debts... |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. The concept of incurring massive debt just for an education is wrong. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Good for you. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. It will hurt me... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Do you take the same position on medical care? |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
57. Ridiculous analogy: people can die without healthcare; no one forced ANYONE to take out a student |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. It's the same concept. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Deleted message |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. Oh really? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. Finland has free education up to the PHD level for anyone who can pass the classes. |
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Veruca Salt (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #86 |
182. It's not just classes, you have to test into their programs first. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. You're not thinking about the big picture. |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. When the people start fishing for the "reset" button... |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Im 30... and have had my debts paid for 4 years... |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
118. Then you've beaten the odds. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
63. And your credit rating is likely far better than someone whose debt gets forgiven. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. So what, you want debtors prisons? |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Not at all. As I said, I'm in favor of helping the students. My questions is why ... |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. This is not an OWS demand but rather a OneWisconsinNow.org issue. They made |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. They were marching at the OWS gathering, ergo my "attribution". See my post #49 for more. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. Ron Paulites show up with their "End the Fed" signs, too. Does that mean that |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
88. Point taken. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
67. Your comment was that it was unfair for others to get something.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
51. Deleted message |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
74. You're doing the same thing Santelli did when he asked if you want to pay your... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
117. Your "I've got mine, FUCK YOU" attitude is part of the problem. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #117 |
132. A major, perhaps the major, part of the problem. Wish I could rec your response - n/t |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #117 |
156. Thank you. nt |
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dameocrat67 (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
148. start charging ny and california boomers for the free educations they |
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onpatrol98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
150. Entered country legally... |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
154. Great question. Why did the taxpayers have to give money to Wall Street |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
160. sacrifice? |
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Synicus Maximus (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
47. I think w should forgive all debt. But I would like 60 days notice before |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
58. What you're describing would destroy the economy far worse than Wall Street. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
23. Trouble is, student loans are now just like credit card debt as far as |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
31. Fox is doing its best to marginalize OWS. They brought this up |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
33. There is no such demand from OWS. And the sign does not say what you claim it says. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. What is your interpretation of that sign? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Why don't you ask OneWisconsinNow since it is their banner and not an OWS demand. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
94. Where does it say abolish that 1T? |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Thanks for finding the link. You're correct it's not a "demand" per the banner... |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. And that is not a draft of OWS demands. It is a list of suggestions put out by a person |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
84. Thanks for clarification. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
95. yes you should have and good on you for seeing that and saying so. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
159. thanks for the link -- very helpful to see the actual sign n/t |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
41. From Occupy Wall Street on facebook... |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
44. Successful students should have their loans forgiven, IMO. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. Define "successful student" |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
62. Bust a deal, face the Wheel! |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
70. Because nobody has been hiring the college graduates for the last 4 years. |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
75. I agree! Everyone should have to pay their loans! This crap make the Liberals look bad. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. If you want to play that way, then fuck homeowners and trying to keep housing prices from collapsing |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. What about people who worked two jobs to pay their student loans....... |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. You do know that the Tea Bag movement started with similar logic. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. Hey, I'm a renter, why should I give a fuck about homeowners? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #87 |
98. I think you need to put up a sign at http://the53.tumblr.com/ |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
109. Answer the damn question! Do you pay back my brother who paid his student load off by working .... |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. No. Just like you don't pay off the person who managed to pay off their mortgage |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. I imagine you want to help the homeowners who speculated on homes also to make a quick profit? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #113 |
123. If it results in assistance to the vast majority who are legitimately struggling, |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #113 |
124. What exactly do you consider to be the academic equivalent of house flipping? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #124 |
130. Deciding not to pay off your load because it is a hassle. Or waiting for the government to... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. I don't see how you equate the two. Flipping a house is a get rich scheme. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. So explain to me why we bailed out the banks then? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. I didn't agree with that either..... |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #82 |
138. By God, let's bring back Debtors' Prisons while we're at it. And |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #78 |
91. Because elections were coming up and boomers shat their pants over their 401K statements. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. You are correct that it isn't realistic right now. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. I agree. Ask for much, be prepared for less. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
89. Why were the Wall Street criminals bailed out when the screwed |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #89 |
108. I hated that also. But paying off everyones student loads is a BAD IDEA! |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Who is paying off every student's debt? |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. I am 100% in favor of removing money from campaigns and politics. If we can.... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:41 AM Response to Reply #115 |
179. We don't have to worry about that. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #75 |
96. Moral hazard is only for peasants. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
79. Just because one group has made it a big issue, doesn't mean what |
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Devil_Fish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
97. Where on this banner do you see a "Demand" for forgiveness of student loan debt?? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. The OP has agreed it was a bunch of rightwing bullshit disinformation. |
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Devil_Fish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Then he should have placed a link to the article in question in the OP. |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Please see my post #49. Thanks. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. Even post #49 contains misinformation. |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
103. We rescued bad assets why not forgive bad liabilities? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. True, but defense is sacred to both parties it seems. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. We wouldn't even need to make cuts, really. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
112. Youthful movement - it's on their mind. At this point I would settle for |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
114. Do you not know how deep many of my peers are in student loan debt? |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #114 |
165. And, to add insult to injury, the same parasites who were bundling |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
116. That's just dumb. And a shame. I hope that's not echoed elsewhere. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. Whether or not you believe it to be "dumb".. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. No, it will not, because the day it is the student loan program will be scrapped, with gleeful |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. There is no need for the taxpayer to assume the debt. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #126 |
131. LOL - you go right on believing that. Tell the authors of TARP about it while you're at it. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #131 |
135. Interesting that you bring up the bailouts, since that proves the point I'm making. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #135 |
140. Actually, it proves my point: TARP can at least claim to have recouped what it loaned out, even if |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. TARP did not recoup what it loaned out.. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. Wrong, per usual: |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. You say TARP was recouped, I say it wasn't.. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. You are wrong, but, like the issue above, prefer to hide in semantics, split hairs with definitions, |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #116 |
121. Given that the OWS has issued no such demand and that even the sign |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:12 AM Response to Reply #116 |
173. Dumb? Hardly. It's farsighted and practical given this economy. |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
128. That's cool. As long as I get my money back that I used to pay off my student loan. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:07 AM Response to Reply #128 |
171. Given that our owners have been allowing us to accumulate debt |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
134. I'll tell you why. Because it is 99% money going straight to the 1% for something that should be |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
141. What's with the attempt to throw mud on the movement for one sign? nt |
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dameocrat67 (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
144. most of the yuppy bond traders went to school in ny and california |
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dameocrat67 (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
145. most of the yuppy bond traders went to school in ny and california |
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minavasht (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
146. When everybody has a bachelors degree |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #146 |
166. No, the masters will let you prepare fries. A Ph.D. will be |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
158. The bigger problem is exorbiant interest rates...there should be a hard cap at 5%. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
161. Parsing the Data and Ideology of the We Are 99% Tumblr |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
162. Hilary promised loan forgiveness for teachers |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. Wait I'm confused here. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:08 AM Response to Reply #162 |
164. I have a bad feeling that schools would just fire everyone after 9 years. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #162 |
190. You should read up on the student loan forgiveness that went into the healthcare bill |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
167. Older people are also suffering, just not as likely to camp out and protest |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:30 AM Response to Reply #167 |
169. Agree. The programs need to be multi-faceted. Medicare for All would.. |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
168. It's like a depression to me. We need some New New Deal.. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
175. Student loan debt is $1 trillion, and amounts to a bubble |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
176. it's an important and valid issue; not within the top five imo though |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
184. We are all going to eat that debt anyway, so I say cancel it. Economically it would help. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
192. I agree with the OP. This is fodder for the right-wingers. There |
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geek_sabre (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
193. Why not blame the colleges/universities? |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
195. OK, what's with the "Wall Street Bankster" demand that all their crooked debts be canceled? |
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