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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:47 PM Original message |
Star-Ledger Editorial Board: N.J. teacher who made bigoted Facebook comments about gays must go |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. Apply the same logic to politicians |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Thank you, I needed that laugh. n/t |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. Hear, hear |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. We've organized a protest Tuesday night for the school board meeting. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Good for you |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I hope you both know that you are always with me. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. Can we call her a 'douchebag' now? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Yes. nt |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. I'd prefer homophobe or bigot. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 01:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. 'Ex-gay'? |
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Jawja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. I like |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
6. I feel sorry for the union lawyer that gets assigned to her. What a miserable client. nt |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
9. I hate to bring up that pesky free speech thing... |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. She posted her views on facebook,she obviously has gay students. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. How much do you want to bet that argument won't win in court? |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. ONE student has to say that he or she feels prejudged by her |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Can you imagine if this was a teacher who attended a Klan rally? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
38. How about a NAMBLA member? One who had posted pictures taken in the school on their Facebook page? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I, for one, am consistent here |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I suspect that the investigation will reveal she adversely impacted her classroom with her Facebook |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. I find it hard to believe there is a non bigotry clause in her contract |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. She is a teacher. She's not only going to have a morals clause, she's going to be required |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I agree she surely can't treat students differently |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. She can think whatever she wants, but teaches are also contractually obligated |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. So on Facebook |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. How many atheist students have taken their lives over the years due to anti-atheist bullying? |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. You say you're an atheist |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
33. OK. Fair enough. What if we pick something in the middle? |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
54. Some people might take offense at that |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I can't help but think that most people who disagree have failed to read the entire exchange. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. She's also in clear violation of her own school's policies |
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Jawja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
43. But would you use your atheism to condemn |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. She took a picture of a display approved by her school celebrating LGBT history month |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Who has said she doesn't have the right to express her opinion? |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Why would I need to read all of that? |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Because it shows you have no clue of context. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. What I know of this situation... |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. No one is promoting censorship, please stop spreading untruths. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Would you be fine with her saying black students sholudn't date white students? |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Would I be fine with it? Of course not. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #25 |
44. I too draw my line at that spot, however I also realize... |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Why would you need to read all of that? |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Nice... |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. More from the page. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. and more |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
35. No, she won't win. And it will stand up in court. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
34. You are conflating two different issues. One is free speech. The other is the consequences of it. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #34 |
85. Wow. |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Are you saying a school can not establish ANY codes of conduct for its teachers outside the class? |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
71. You do not understand the First Amendment. |
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itsallhappening (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. Uh, what? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
31. In America, you have the right to be a bigot. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
36. When we allow a school board to police a teacher's speech outside of work |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:10 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. But is wasn't speech 'outside of work.' |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
41. What are they teaching in Black History month now? She should know |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
45. If Viki Knox calls herself a 'Christian' show me one verse in the Gospels... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Her pastor thinks she is a True Scotsman. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I know we're stuck with her but we can still call her a douchebag |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. !) You can absolutely call her douchebag. 2) Your Christian religion has a work-around for the |
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vets74 (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
47. Sorry guys. This is another TEST THE LIMITS OF FREE SPEECH issue. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. Knock it off with the race-baiting. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
58. Ah yes, let's continue to deny teachers the right to have a voice outside of school |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. No one is denying her right to have a voice. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Yes, by trying to get her fired, there is an attempt to silence her voice |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. Clearly, you haven't read her comments. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. No, I haven't, nor do I need to |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I can think of a TON of things that would have and could have gotten me fired over the years... |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. LGBT kids and other bullied teens should fend fend for themselves. |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
59. I support her right to be a bigoted idiot in her private life. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. She never presented herself as a private citizen, only as a public employee. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. If someone makes controversial remarks in support of Socialism |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. How much time have you spent reading what was written on her FB page? n/t |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. I haven't been to her Facebook page. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. You should take some time to read the 38 pages. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. It doesn't matter what she wrote on FB, |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Please show where someone from Garden State Equality denied her the "right to say what she wants"? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. By trying to get her fired, |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. She will always have the ability to share her hate speech. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. It doesn't matter what she referenced, |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #76 |
83. When she post pictures of school property, and denigrates gay co-workers, then she isn't 'outside |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #68 |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
63. People shouldn't be fired for writing dubious things on their personal Facebook pages. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. If they work with children, they should. She signed a contract regarding her behavior, |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. There is no clause in a teacher's contract stating that she can't speak freely outside the school |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Now you are just pulling "facts" out of your ass. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Actually, there is. It's called a morals clause. |
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