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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:52 AM Original message |
Harvard Cancer Expert: Steve Jobs Probably Doomed Himself With Alternative Medicine |
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mucifer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
1. Hopefully people can learn from this. |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. There is no "cure" rate with pancreatic cancer.... |
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mucifer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. But, who knows where the research will be in 2 or 3 years. Ultimately it was his choice |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Looks like it wasn't the pancreatic cancer we all know about |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. God bless you and your wife. Take care. |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
46. Thank you nt |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
72. good vibes to your wife |
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morningglory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. 3-4 years of sickening treatments. nt |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. Compared with death? Yes. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
74. At the same time standards of care ... |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. He had a rare, highly treatable form |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. And that one was still certain death within a decade. n/t |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. What's the harm? |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
3. Steve Jobs made a choice. His right, no matter what Harvard has to say about it. |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I don't think they said he didn't have the right. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. That's a common red herring in discussions like this |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Who knows what his deep philosophical beliefs were |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. "I worked with people who used alternative ways to health, and they are fine now." |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Everything recovery I've heard about has been a combination of both methods |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. But what do you mean by "both methods?" |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. One method is conventional medicine, the other alternive including macrobiotics, etc. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Well, that really doesn't mean anything |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. alternative methods |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Sure there are alternatives |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
78. What are you talking about? |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. masters of their own universe need someone strong enough to |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. depends on what she said |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
54. What about his "right" to take a donor liver to replace the one destroyed by his trusting woo over.. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Wouldn't call it a right in that case |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. It's kind of easy to worry about who has jurisdiction when you shop for a favorable jurisdiction. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
77. He didn't turn down any conventional treatments either. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
57. Correct. |
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Trekologer (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
69. Of course but with the right information others can make better decisions |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
79. I think that's the real issue |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. Um. What? |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
76. Zionks - talk about blind opportunism. |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
4. Is there a form of pancreatic cancer that is "mild"? I thought it was nearly 100 % fatal. |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That's what I thought too |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Yep. |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. There isn't a mild pancreatic cancer.... |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. A quick google search |
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EdMaven (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. if jobs' form were so easily curable, he would have taken that easy cure. so it obviously wasn't. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. Wrong. This doctor has had patients with neuroendocrine tumors survive over a decade. |
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EdMaven (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Jobs was diagnosed in Oct 2003. He had the tumor removed in 7/31/04 & did chemo. |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. So he had the tumour removed within approx. 9 months. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
83. CNN? Mainstream media? |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
82. I agree. |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. Great! Another Frist diagnosis. n/t |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
81. And he might not have. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. From article |
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morningglory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. "...acted right away..." This is hard to do. nt |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
34. The treatable kind is like, one of the rarest kinds among all pancreatic cancers. |
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EdMaven (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Name it if you know so much. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
41. Yes - read the post that sparked the article |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
10. Uh-oh. Now you've done it... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Deleted message |
xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
14. recommend |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
18. This will just reinforce the alt-med's martyr complex. nt |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. +1 |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
84. The what? Is that in the PDR or the DSM? |
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mn9driver (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
28. There is no form of Pan Can that is mild and not usually fatal. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
29. He took some donor organs with him too. Probably doomed somebody else. Asshole. nt |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. Cancer limits organ donation. n/t |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. He was a recipient, not a donor. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
31. Didn't we make fun of Frist for diagnosing based on a video? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
60. + 100 |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
85. Didn't you get the memo? |
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EdMaven (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
32. huh? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
53. Did you read the article? |
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EdMaven (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. I read the article & I read articles from the period. Jobs was diagnosed in |
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EdMaven (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. edit: should be "a little fewer than half LIVE 5 years." as the median survival is slightly |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
35. If I were a billionaire with cancer, I would |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
86. +1 |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
43. Didn't we read that this was a particularly deadly 'type' of pancreatic cancer? |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
47. sCAM treatments strike again. If they worked -- they'd be called "medicine". |
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InvisibleTouch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
55. Actually, given that he lasted as long as he did... |
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BuddhaGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. +1 |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Right. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. No, not really |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Don't bother bringing in facts. He had garden variety pancreatic cancer and that's the story the |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. Ironic avatar. |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 04:26 AM Response to Reply #55 |
71. You're right--the article assumes that the cancer was first noticed at an early |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
61. perhaps, but i've never heard of a "mild form" of pancreatic cancer... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
65. "Allegedly." |
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EdMaven (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. "I don't know what happened but I'll offer my useless opinion anyway." |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #65 |
88. "I have the profoundest respect for Jobs" |
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MattSh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-17-11 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
70. Woo boy, if what passes for medicine in America is the best in the world... |
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Courtesy Flush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. That's not the point of the article |
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BrendaBrick (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
89. Jobs actually spoke about this in 2005 |
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