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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 10:14 AM
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Why Pentagon Says MLK Would Love War Today
According to the Pentagon's lawyer, Martin Luther King Jr., if alive today, would view the US war on Afghanistan as both the act of a Good Samaritan and as necessary self-defense.

Jeh C. Johnson, the "Defense" Department's general counsel, said, on the one hand:

"I believe that if Dr. King were alive today, he would recognize that we live in a complicated world, and that our nation's military should not and cannot lay down its arms and leave the American people vulnerable to terrorist attack."

On the other hand, he also said this:

"I draw the parallel to our own servicemen and women deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere, away from the comfort of conventional jobs, their families and their homes. have made the conscious decision to travel a dangerous road and personally stop and administer aid to those who want peace, freedom and a better place in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and in defense of the American people. Every day, our servicemen and women practice the dangerousness -- the dangerous unselfishness Dr. King preached on April 3, 1968."

Now, when President Barack Obama in 2009 gave a Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, he had the decency to admit that he was disagreeing fundamentally with King's position:

"There will be times when nations -- acting individually or in concert -- will find the use of force not only necessary but morally justified. I make this statement mindful of what Martin Luther King Jr. said in this same ceremony years ago: 'Violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones.'…But as a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation, I cannot be guided by examples alone."

There has long been a segment of the U.S. population susceptible to the fear-mongering of "defensive" wars of aggression. When told that we have to go attack an impoverished nation halfway around the world and continue doing so for many years, certain people eagerly climb on board. But others need a war to be a humanitarian act of racist kindness before they'll support it. So, by a happy coincidence, every nation in which our military wants bases and weapons or our oil companies want wells or pipelines happens to both threaten our very existence and desperately need the humanitarian aid of our military.

The humanitarian war sales pitch is made to those motivated by kindness. I call it racist kindness because we impose our "aid" on foreign nations fully aware that they don't want it. Of course, two-thirds of Americans oppose the war on Afghanistan, so majority opinion may never matter. But Afghans overwhelmingly oppose the occupation of their country.

Now, the man aided by the Good Samaritan was half-dead, perhaps unconscious. It may be that Jeh Johnson thinks of the Afghans in the same way. They can't possibly make the right decisions in their state, so we'll decide for them. Dr. King rejected such logic in the case of Vietnam:

"As I ponder the madness of Vietnam and search within myself for ways to understand and respond to compassion my mind goes constantly to the people of that peninsula. . . . They must see Americans as strange liberators. . . . They languish under our bombs and consider us -- not their fellow Vietnamese -- the real enemy."

A poll last spring found that 85% of Kandaharis consider the Taliban "our Afghan brothers." The poll was commissioned by the Pentagon. The same poll found that 94% favored peace negotiations, not war. So, out of the goodness of our racist hearts, we brought them more war.

The parable of the Good Samaritan has been lost on the Pentagon's lawyer. A Samaritan, to Jesus' audience, was a foreigner of a disreputable sort. But this Samaritan was made a model of humanity for others to follow. The point was not only to help people you find half-dead on the side of the road. The revolutionary point was to see others as fully human despite superficial differences.

"I am convinced," King said, "that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society into a person-oriented society. . . . On the one hand we are called to play the Good Samaritan on life's roadside; but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. . . . The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just. A true revolution of values will lay hands on the world order and say of war: 'This way of settling differences is not just.' This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into veins of people normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more on military 'defense' than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death."

David Swanson is the author of the new book "War Is A Lie" http://warisalie.org

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 10:16 AM
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1. self serving puke from the professional war criminals class nt
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:08 PM
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31. He is not a "puke". He is a solid Democrat.
Unless you consider Obama to be a "puke" also. http://www.defense.gov/bios/biographydetail.aspx?biographyid=173
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 11:18 AM
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38. Obama didn't put words in Dr. Kings mouth
What a bag of vomit.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 10:17 AM
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2. it's easy to project your ideology on the dead...what horseshit
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 10:22 AM
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3. The Big Lie and from
this guy


MLK is rolling in his grave.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 10:26 AM
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4. Shameful comment
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 11:04 AM
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5. Why doesn't simply ask the new leader of the civil rights movement, Glenn Beck? nt
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 11:05 AM
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6. I wonder if anyone
truly believes that. That it's the act of a good Samaritan and an act of self defense, I mean. The OP made some very good points and summed it up very well. I'd add though, that our military efforts in that part of the world have increased the numbers of our enemies, not weakened them. Al Qaeda and the Taliban both grow stronger, in large part because every time we use a drone attack, or drop bombs on weddings, churches and small villages, we create more. We are effectively strengthening our enemies - to truly subdue them would require true brutality and far superior manpower - far greater than that which we have used. That simply isn't going to happen.

It is long past time to negotiate and make real diplomatic efforts. Under our current methods it is impossible to succeed in destroying the Taliban and/or Al Qaeda. We haven't got the numbers we'd need, nor do we have the support of the people, here or there. Diplomacy may prevail where force has failed, either way we would be better served by doing what we can to win back the respect and good will of the people of Afghanistan.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 11:09 AM
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7. and i'm sure ghandi and mother teresa would support me stealing billions of dollars.
if only they were alive today.
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 11:16 AM
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8. He forgot Jesus Christ
I suppose his support is a given to these people.
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 03:34 PM
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41. Been there, done that.
And among the many reasons I refer to the US DOD as the church of aggression.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ecAWXRgcE>
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 11:24 AM
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9. Absolute, utter nonsense by Johnson
Dr. King would not only be opposed to wars of foreign aggression, he'd be particularly incensed that the people fighting the wars are disproportionately drawn from a pool of citizens who have no other prospects than joining the military, being shipped off to Iraq or Afghanistion to kill or be killed, and if they come back, return to the same hopeless situation they left, now with whatever service-related demon has been installed in them.

Dr. King would be all up in Mr. Johnson's shit about how much money is being squandered to kill people halfway around the world when we can't and don't feed, clothe, house, and educate our own citizens. Jeh Johnson would be well advised to remain silent and be thought a fucking jackass, rather than open his yapper and remove all doubt.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:08 PM
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30. In fact, Nuremberg Laws -- and United Nations hold wars of aggression to be illegal..!!!
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 12:47 PM
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10. "We are the political playthings of a society gone mad on war"
Yup, sure sounds like he'd have gotten on board with the war. :sarcasm:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 12:50 PM
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11. wow...beyond words...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 12:53 PM
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12. Recommended.
Thanks.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 12:57 PM
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13. Maybe at first after 9/11
and before Tora Bora. But not now.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:09 PM
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32. No.
Who would he have agreed that we attack? Saudi Arabia?

Please give him more credit.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 12:57 PM
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14. UNREAL

By every account of Dr. King's life and teachings there is absolutely NO indication he'd be a war-monger. And to project your own sick, sordid twist of the world onto one of the great peace makers of all time is disgustingly low.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 02:30 PM
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19. He would've been happy to attend Glenn Beck's Restoring Honor rally too.
If he was still alive, however, I doubt they would make that claim. Or that he would be invited.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 11:43 AM
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39. Well, I said "maybe"
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 02:11 PM
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15. well that`s really stupid jeh......
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Drew Richards Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 02:24 PM
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17. And this guy is supposed to be a Democrat?


Jeh Charles Johnson

(born September 11, 1957)<1> is an American civil and criminal trial lawyer, currently serving as General Counsel for the United States Department of Defense. Johnson is a graduate of Morehouse College and Columbia Law School, and is grandson of noted sociologis­t and Fisk University president Dr. Charles S. Johnson.

Johnson served as Assistant United States Attorney in the Southern District of New York from 1989-1991. From 1998-2001 he was General Counsel of the Department of the Air Force under President Bill Clinton.<3­>

On January 8, 2009, he was named by President Barack Obama to be General Counsel for the Defense Department­.<6>

In 1998, Johnson was appointed General Counsel of the Air Force by President Bill Clinton after confirmati­on by the U.S. Senate.

Johnson is active in Democratic Party politics, as a fundraiser and advisor to presidenti­al campaigns. Johnson served as special counsel to John Kerry's 2004 presidenti­al campaign,<­9> and was active in Barack Obama's presidenti­al campaign as a foreign policy advisor and as a member of his national finance committee.­<10><11>

On January 8, 2009, President-­elect Barack Obama announced Johnson's nomination as Department of Defense General Counsel.<1­2> On February 9, 2009, he was confirmed by the Senate. <2>

Johnson is to play a role in drafting a policy on gays in the military to replace the policy set during the Bill Clinton Presidency of "don't ask, don't tell".<13>
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 02:18 PM
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16. Breaking news! repigs re-write the Bible
In the repig's Bible, there is no New Testament, and the only reference to Jesus is when he says "If thine enemy strike thou, don't turn the other cheek. Pull out an army of drones & nukes and blast them all to atoms. Wait, I don't know what atoms are."
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 03:04 PM
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23. In case you are wondering how they got the funding
to re-write the Bible - Some five billion bucks a year supports the PR division of the Pentagon.

No wonder they did such a smash up job!

"Greater love hath no man than he take his sons and daughters down to the Marine Recrutiing Station and have them sign up for a couple of tours."

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:06 PM
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28. And many Democrats, sadly, willing to vote for that - -"drones, nukes and blasting them with atoms"
And, yet the claims to religous righteousness go on and on with even

the feeblest of challenge --

in fact, we're all now subsidizing the Vatican "faith based" organizations --

lucky for the Vatican W came along with the loot just when they needed it for

their pedophile lawsuits!!

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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 02:28 PM
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18. And this, of course, is why MLK is dead.
So that he can't respond to a claim like this, and so he can't go around talking about how bad war is.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 02:32 PM
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20. P.S.: He'd also be WAY into the racist War on Drugs!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 02:36 PM
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21. The Pentagon just makes shit up?? Say it ain't so.
:wow:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 02:41 PM
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22. MLK was prett much a pacifist
Edited on Fri Jan-14-11 02:42 PM by Hippo_Tron
I doubt he would be supporting the Afghan war.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 04:13 PM
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24. Possibly Mr. Johnson
needs a refresher course in what Dr. King believed. Dr. King's speech from 1967 - "Why I am Opposed to the Vietnam War."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80Bsw0UG-U
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norske Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 06:24 PM
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25. If only
Now if only Pres. Obama could become more like MLK than GWB....
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 06:44 PM
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26. Of course, The Pentagon's war apologist lawyer is completely full of bullshit
It's a shame that MLK isn't alive today point that out.


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:13 PM
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33. Kinda makes clearer the BS Rumsfeld was doing with his "Christian" messages ....
it's all BS -- !!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:04 PM
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27. Thanks, Swanson! And we wonder how "Jesus" got so corrupted by the right wing?
Jesus is basically a communist --

turned into a warrior who hates the poor and needy!!

As always with the right wing/elites -- "up" is "down" and their propaganda

sells that idea 24/7!!



:eyes:

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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 07:07 PM
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29. This might be the biggest crock of shit I've ever read.....
WTF
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 09:21 PM
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34. MLK, Jr. was not stupid or dogma driven. He would recognize the war in Afghanistan for what it is
the same as he recognized the war in Vietnam for what it was.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 11:59 PM
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35. This country cannot afford to ignore Dr. King's advice.
Make the shift from putting importance on things to putting our importance on people.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 06:52 AM
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36. I oppose the war, but don't like Swanson's lies.
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 06:55 AM by Vattel
Swanson: "But Afghans overwhelmingly oppose the occupation of their country." Swanson's evidence: A link to an article that has a link to a 2010 poll of Afghans found that 62% at least somewhat support the US military presence in their nation.

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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 12:03 AM
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43. ABC News/BBC/ARD/Washington Post poll
ABC News/BBC/ARD/Washington Post poll of 1,691 Afghan adults from Oct. 29-Nov. 13, 2010

http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/1116a1Afghanistan.pdf

36. Obama has said he will begin withdrawing U.S. forces next summer. Would it be your
preference to have American and NATO/ISAF forces begin to leave Afghanistan next
summer, should they leave sooner than next summer, or should they stay longer than
that?

Leave next Leave Stay Depends on security No
summer sooner longer situation (vol.) opinion
11/13/10 27 28 17 26 2
12/23/09* 25 22 21 29 3
*12/2009: “next summer” was “18 months from now”

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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 06:34 AM
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44. That's it?
Again, 63 percent of those polled support our presence in Afghanistan. your own statistic from the same poll says that only 28 percent want us to leave earlier than the Obama plan calls for. 27 percent want us to proceed with the Obama plan to start withdrawing next summer, and 43 percent want us to either stay longer (17 percent) than that or stay longer if the security situation demands it (26 percent). That doesn't support your claim that Afgans overwhelmingly oppose the occupation. If you only meant that Afghans overwhelmingly oppose us staying forever, well then duh. But you didn't mean that, did you?
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 06:56 AM
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37. That merits this response
:wtf: :puke: :wtf: :puke::wtf: :puke::wtf: :puke::wtf: :puke::wtf: :puke::wtf: :puke::wtf: :puke::wtf: :puke::wtf: :puke:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 02:17 PM
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40. Complete politicized perception management from an authoritarian to authoritarian followers-a LIE.
MLK was a Christian activist that always practiced, promoted and preached creative non-violence to achieve lasting change.

It works and the reaction was to assassinate him, not coincidently, imho, after he began to speak out against the Vietnam War and its policymakers.

Kick for another real reminder of Martin Luther King's lifetime as a Christian activist.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-11 04:10 PM
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42. Its nice to know...
That the Pentagon admits it can NOW read minds of famous people from the past. Next they will tell us what George Washington would have thought about drinking Folgers, or if Samuel Adams would really preferred Budweiser, the King of Beers.

Perhaps Miyamoto Musashi would have raved about Rice A Roni, the San Francisco treat, or the Emperor of China would have thought Sugar Frosted flakes were Greeeeeeeeeaaaat!!!



do I really need this?: :sarcasm:
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 06:42 AM
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45. MLK was deeply influenced by Gandhi.
Edited on Sun Jan-16-11 06:43 AM by Mimosa
It is possible that the war machine conspired to take out rhe most influential anti-war types. Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King were topping the list of the anti-war leaders during the middle to late 1960s.

Anybody who tries to say MLK would ever have supported violence is a liar.
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:47 AM
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46. What would Jesus do?
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:58 AM
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47. there is no one in the Pentagon who was a close, personal friend of MLK
so therefore, they don't know shit about how he would feel about the war today. All they know is what he said about circumstances that happened before 4/8/68. Period.
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