Majority Rates Obama ‘Same’ as or ‘Worse’ Than George W. Bush

[griffi94]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/majority-rate-obama-same-as-or-worse-than-george-w-bush/

[LaydeeBug]

1. There hasn't been enough time for his firebrand speech to be reflected in the polls yet. nt

[Fumesucker]

16. One of these days I'm going to learn not to drink anything while I'm reading DU.. n/t

[itsallhappening]

20. Oh, yay! Another speech!

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. LOLz

:spray: What, you're not impressed with the speeches? :evilgrin:

[LWolf]

36. Because all it takes is a speech,

regardless of what he actually does or doesn't do.

[Eddie Haskell]

2. Considering the hand he was dealt, that's not bad.

[Xipe Totec]

3. Well, this proves it beyond all doubt

Americans have short memories.

[bowens43]

10. Not really.

he's continued most of the worst policies of the previous administration and he has steadfastly worked to ensure that his campaign promises were lies.

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[opihimoimoi]

4. RW Monies paid for the deal...pay no attention...Bush Couldn't even open a door FGS

His SS took the chainsaw and machette away from him when cleaning the pig farm in TX...he was a danger to the crew

[baldguy]

5. Every one of these "polls" is intended to be misleading.

Whenever they show opposition to Obama, it's colored as exclusively CONSERVATIVE opposition - as if he's gone too far out on the left-wing limb to be taken seriously & the Teabaggers are right.

But for the most part, people who are disappointed with Obama's policies & performance are so because he hasn't gone far enough!: He hasn't gotten out of Iraq & Afghanistan quickly enough. He hasn't fought hard enough to reign in the basnksters who helped destroy the economy. The stimulus was WAY too small. He didn't fight hard enough for real health care reform. etc, etc, etc...

The majority of American people are far to the left of the American govt. And the RW media ignores (or more likely actively suppresses) the fact that the fringe opposition to Obama are the Teabaggers on the right

[loyalsister]

40. Not in my neighborhood

It may be that way in blue states, but in this midwestern purple state the democrats and their voters are much more conservative than many activists would have us believe.

[Cool Logic]

6. Well, I suspect that that those opinions are being driven by one very significant statistic...

[blindpig]

12. Yep

and coddling the 'job creators'(what jive!) has only magnified the impression of whose side he is on.

[Cool Logic]

34. He is on his side...and they are all on the same side.

Our Representatives have much more in common with themselves than they do with the People the are supposed to represent.

[DCBob]

14. Of course you must know that graph is totally misleading...

The Bush era was dominated by a bogus economy based on super-inflated housing values which helped keep employment up and when that "ponzi scheme" finally collapsed in 2008 the negative repercussions have carried over to this day. But seems most Americans cant comprehend something that "complex".

[Proud Liberal Dem]

23. Right

just like Bush kept the REAL deficit "off the books" and since President Obama stopped the phony accounting, Republicans are trying to claim that the deficit just skyrocketed because of Obama's policies. :eyes: They probably knew that they wouldn't win in 2008, so they figured out ways to "boobytrap" the next Democratic POTUS so that they could run against the Democrats for the next 4 years and (hopefully) get back in in 2013. It seems to be part of a sinister pattern where Republicans make messes that Democrats clean up (or try to clean up) in time for the Republicans to get back into power and make more messes. :puke:

[newspeak]

29. shite rolls down hill

little boots did so much damage to the economy, allowing his friends to have a field day, especially deregulation on wall street. I remember his administration attempting to make burger flippers as manufacturing jobs.

Of course, you don't fix the mess by keeping little boot's retreads in. You clean house and try something different, like a massive federal jobs restructuring plan. you've got to put a major obstacle on the boulder rolling down hill, not attempt to slow it down by increments.

Geithner, bernanke, summers were not the choices if you really wanted to fix the economy.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

33. is if the Republicans keep the economy from improving

AND President Obama gets booted out of office next year (as they hope), THEY are going to be the ones that are going to be holding the bag and have to come up with real solutions and then when people realize they don't really have any solutions, then they're going to be in the same place that President Obama is right now (if not worse because people don't really endorse "Tea Party" *solutions* to anything). :shrug: The Republican Tea Party has been *great* in terms of getting people worked up at President Obama and "Washington" but, as we've seen since January, it doesn't offer any kind of sane and/or coherent vision for actually governing this country (which may well be the point).

[Cool Logic]

35. "The Bush era was dominated by a bogus economy based on super-inflated housing values..."

Indeed...the "housing bubble."

And the Clinton economy (Rs claim credit too) was the result of the "dot com bubble."

There is no doubt that Obama drew a bad hand; however, given that he directed Geithner to empty the magazine in his $3 trillion TARP/stimulus gun and let Bernanke fire all of his QE rockets, it's his economy now.

[DCBob]

38. You do realise TARP was passed in 2008 before Obama took office?

its amazing how some people try to reinvent history to blame Obama for everything. Did Bush do anything wroing in your eyes?

[wellst0nev0ter]

44. Yeah, Let's Pretend Obama Didn't Vote For Tarp

or that he was personally lobbying the CBC in order to get support for the bank bailout while he was on the campaign trail.

[DCBob]

48. Only an idiot would have voted against TARP.

[mmonk]

7. "Bipartisanship" has led to an economy where the bleeding

stopped temporarily with the first stimulus but then didn't improve as it only functioned as a stop gap due to budgets cuts that overtook its positive effects and where tax cuts and budget cuts continue to chip away at the employment status. Now we have new Republican legislatures doing more damage and gerry mandering insuring we continue dealing with the ill effects of their ideology.

[Donnachaidh]

8. oh come on! ABC news, and abc in general, is Fox light

As annoyed as I am with the capitulation - this is pure D propaganda. Period.

[spanone]

9. and what unnecessary war did Obama start and who did he torture?

[izquierdista]

11. Libya? Yemen?

Bradley Manning? Explain away those.

[EFerrari]

18. Bagram, Mogadishu. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. He has claimed that Afghanistan is a "necessary" war.

[newspeak]

30. oh really?

and if we find out that the saudis really were funding the terrorists? It seems the wars of choice look like oil in iraq and a pipeline and mining in afghanistan were reasons made for going to war.

[FarLeftFist]

13. George Bush was handed a dream, Obama was handed a nightmare.

[edhopper]

17. I have said it before

If Obama had started out as a true progressive, with a real Democratic Health care Plan, taking on the criminals on Wall Street and the Bush Crime family, a true job creating stimulus package, ending the Bush tax cuts, etc.... He could have been our Roosevelt. Instead he went the corporatist route and is our Hoover.

[newspeak]

32. yeah, I told hubby this morning

little boots is like a harding but more cold and unconscionable, obama looks like hoover, who's going to be FDR?

Those defending on this board--don't worry I'll vote for obama over any damn sociopathic repug. It would be nice to have FDR clone, but I'm not delusional into what choices the corporate MSM and elites are going to push on us.

[NRaleighLiberal]

19. Polls are meaningless. Few people think any more - they just reflect what they hear.

And Obama has faced an unending attack from the media. Bush was propped up non-stop.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

21. These "stories" about "polls" are getting ridiculous

The stories are getting so obviously slanted against President Obama, it's getting impossible to treat them seriously. Obama same or worse than Bush? :wtf: Independents seriously considering voting in Palin for POTUS? :wtf: Politico gets special mention from me for their 1-2 month avalanche of s**t stories against President Obama. I know things aren't wonderful but I have a hard time believing that President Obama is doing THAT bad. Now, c'mon really! Also, interesting to note that there are no similar avalanche of stories focusing in on just how bad/worse the Republicans' are polling. :banghead: :puke: Most of this stuff is pretty meaningless this far out too. Once the Republicans settle on their awesomely awful nominee, President Obama will begin looking much better by comparison IMHO.

[nevergiveup]

22. By the responses here

this could just as well have been a DU poll.

[loyalsister]

42. Exactly

The people who answer political polling questions do so because they are invested and want to air their opinions. Thus they are snapshots of a group of people who have something to say rather than a true sample of the electorate.
One problem we have in politics is the fact that invested people read them as gospel and assume they can speak for the American people based on polling data.
The propagandistic "the American people want...." "The American people believe" - based on polling data is a way of telling people to fall in line with popular opinion.

[JI7]

47. and when actual results don't go their way

they get into conspiracy theories .

[WilliamPitt]

25. Well, that's pretty stupid.

[Generic Other]

39. I have my blood pressure readings to compare

Borderline Krakatoa in the Bush era. Hairline steam vents in the Obama era!

[Zax2me]

26. We are far away from the campaign fainting episodes

Where supporters fainted in the prescence of Obama (even though some still climax over his speeches - that are then forgotten in next 24 news cycle).

But are we really at the point of little bush?!
Of course not.
Don't even have to research questions this poll used or who was polled to know -
This poll - bullshit.

[quinnox]

27. I knew Obama was becoming unpopular but wow

This is crazy. More and more I feel we will be saying hello to President Romney if the Obama poll numbers don't come back up.

[LoZoccolo]

28. Would people here prefer that the Republicans think he's better than George W. Bush*? n/t

[jefferson_dem]

31. Bullshit number spinning. More accurate: "Majority Rates Obama Same or Better Compared With Bush"

Look at the numbers from GALLUP:



More say Obama is better than Bush (43%) than say Obama is worse than Bush (34%). Of course, you couple either one with "about the same" and ... voila ... you have a majority. While it would be more accurate to merge "better" with "same" than "worse" with same, I guess I'm not surprised GALLUP/ABCNEWS/THE OP chose the less accurate and less favorable spin.

[gulliver]

37. Yup. Their headline is a rotten deception.

The "same or better" (65%) outnumber the "same or worse" (56%) but they chose to report it the way they did.

[Rex]

41. It is ABC snews...almost as bad as Fauxnews or CNN.

They hate Obama and are part of the M$M so no surprise here!

[friedgreentomatoes]

43. Good riddance

for the reaching across the aisle bipartisan crap.. republicans wont vote for him anyway, what he did was lost those in the middle and some on the left as well...

[saras]

46. I think they're rating the country, not the President.

The big stuff is getting worse, and the rate at which it's getting worse is also getting worse.

Does anyone remember how much WORK, how much PROPAGANDA, it took to get America to hate its enemies during World War II? It didn't come natural to many Americans, no matter HOW bad the enemy was. Lots of people don't want to give the Tea Party the treatment they deserve because to do so would make them TOO MUCH LIKE THE TEA PARTY.

There's a HUGE propaganda machine saying progressives (socialists, etc.) are the problem, with really profound hatred and incitement to violence. It's so much easier to reject that completely than it is to turn it around on the propagators of it. Projection is like that. That's why it works, even though it is so transparent.

[Zorra]

49. I am not an Obama fan. But Obama has been way better than Bush.

That's not really saying a whole lot, because Bush was way less than zero as pRes, but still, it is true.