"12 year old girls will never get a government injection" in my administration, ever...

[sfpcjock]

Promise. Unless it's the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_schedule#United_States">29-vaccine standard immune regimen selected by Pig Pharma and school districts across this great nation, LOL.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[TheWraith]

1. Those standard immune regimens are standard for a good reason. nt

[dtexdem]

2. Unrec for totally-disgusting disdain for public health.

Those vaccinations prevent untold pain, illness, and deaths among young people.

[sfpcjock]

4. No such thing.

The current high number of vaccinations and the way that they are administered is chosen by the link between Big Pharma and public policy, and may or may not be the best course for children. It's important to remember that instead of just taking orders from profit sources.

[FLAprogressive]

+1

[FLAprogressive]

16. +1

[louis-t]

3. No, but they will be left to die if they can't afford

health insurance. So says the teabaggers.

[Avalux]

5. Vaccinations for deadly and highly communicable diseases which could cause an epidemic is necessary.

A vaccination for a sexually transmittable disease that MAY or MAY NOT cause cervical cancer is NOT necessary for 12 year old girls.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

[sfpcjock]

7. Yes, but the link between HPV and cervical cancer is now well established.

The way that Perry did it in Texas, according to Randi Rhodes today, is to require the HPV for all young girls in schools and they really could NOT opt out unless the family opted out of the entire immune vaccine regimen. So, he basically lied to Bachmann when he said that they could opt out of the HPV, only. This ultimately caused the Texas Legislature to reject the HPV vaccinations when they said that, in effect, the phase IV trials were not complete and that it might be unsafe.

If the HPV is in fact safe according to the FDA, then what Perry could have done is to allow a parents to opt out of that vaccine, only.

[Warpy]

6. Actually, it was selected by Public Health a very long time ago

and Big Pharma had little to do with it. Vaccines save lives and the cost is low, often one time with a few boosters, unlike lifestyle drugs like the limp willie drugs that will be taken for years.

Your anger and cynicism are both sadly misplaced.

[sfpcjock]

8. I am not angry, so your premise is in error.

The earlier regimen included less than 10 vaccines. Now it is up to around 30, and they are administered one on top of the other to save money. Our children are turning up with 1 in less than 100 autistic kids which are a huge burden for the parents and for society. If I wanted to be angry at something I would be angry at that. The parents feel that the proximity of this huge vaccine load and the way that it is administered are in fact closely related. Maybe you know better than they do, you feel.

[madrchsod]

9. there is no creditable research this regimen is the cause for autism

[sfpcjock]

10. This is the spin we hear.

Constantly and nauseatingly. In fact, the testing is done by who? By the same companies who have increased the regimen by 300% in a few years. The parents say otherwise. They disagree with you. You cannot ignore the epidemic rise in autisim. You cannot. The new huge vaccine load is administered in multiple concurrent vaccines the interactions of which are not known by anyone including you.

[David Sky]

11. Did you bother to study statistics and probablility, or did you just read a few

magazine and on-line articles to make your mind so poorly informed?

Autism and vaccines, no statistical relationship, other than people with autism rode in automobiles too, so maybe the kids got autism from riding in cars. Seems like your science education was pretty poor.

[sfpcjock]

12. With regard to what?

[Ohio Joe]

13. Really?

Here are 25 studies that show no connection:

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4026.pdf

Along with three that do show a connection (1 retracted for fraud, 1 in question because it cannot be reproduced and 1 with limitations). Please show how the 25 are all connected to big pharma.

[David Sky]

17. So many people don't like real science when they are not scientists, they prefer..

fake, phony, and fraudulent reports that are written to tug at their heart strings, and finagle the bagle on actual statistical analysis.

And so MANY, unschooled scientists bow down to and repeat these quack science reports!

[sfpcjock]

19. Yes, "really".

Your link only refers to the MMR.

[Ohio Joe]

20. So... Does that not make it easier to link it with big pharma?

Will you even try?

[sfpcjock]

21. Please substantiate your claim that they are not.

Follow the money and you will do better.

[Capitalocracy]

26. Maybe you could save us some time and show us that they are. nt

[sfpcjock]

28. Actually, the way science works is the other way around.

The investigators have to show that they used valid and applicable methods to establish a finding of safety, in this case.

What you and others in this thread may not be aware of is that drug trials are done completely differently than they used to be now in this country--using that term loosely: let's say that you are Merck Corp. and you have a vaccine that you want to sell 30 million doses of. By the corporate charter you would do almost anything to make that sale. You would even use your dozens of lobbyists to change the entire way that FDA drug trials are done in this country. That is why I suggested that you follow the money.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/01/deadly-medicine-201101"> Deadly Medicine - Vanity Fair

"Prescription drugs kill some 200,000 Americans every year. Will that number go up, now that most clinical trials are conducted overseas—on sick Russians, homeless Poles, and slum-dwelling Chinese—in places where regulation is virtually nonexistent, the F.D.A. doesn’t reach, and “mistakes” can end up in pauper’s graves? The authors investigate the globalization of the pharmaceutical industry, and the U.S. Government’s failure to rein in a lethal profit machine."
...

[Capitalocracy]

29. I actually agree that that's a problem

but you still have to show us that that's going on in this case. It's your OP and you should defend it. I haven't seen anything to suggest that HPV vaccines are ineffective or unsafe, and HPV is definitely a problem. As a matter of fact, my major problem with HPV vaccines is the price tag.

[sfpcjock]

30. Thanks. I never said in this thread that HPV is ineffective.

In fact, I think that it probably is.

What I heard is that after Perry mandated HPV for all young girls, the Texas Legislature didn't like it and determined that this vaccine is too hazardous and needed more testing, so his order was never implemented. Randi was talking about it a couple of days ago.

[Ohio Joe]

27. You want me to prove a negative?

Instead of simply backing up your claim? Bad form man.

[Ilsa]

18. There does, however, appear to be a link to Guillaume Barre. nt

[Maine_Nurse]

15. Actually, the public health perspective is to

save the most lives (or prevent disabilities, diseases, etc) for the most people at the potential expense of the fewest possible. We know that a certain amount of folks will have severe and even fatal reactions to immunizations, but that is acceptable for the overall good that they do. Unless, that is, it is you or your child that dies, then it doesn't seem so smart or fair.

[Capitalocracy]

25. High-risk vaccination was pivotal in the founding of the nation.

Deliberate exposure to smallpox came before the actual vaccination, and was an extremely dangerous procedure, with a significant risk of death or disfiguration. But its controversial use helped end a smallpox plague during the Revolutionary War, and Washington used it on his troops. He believed the war couldn't have been won without it.

[hedgehog]

14. Does Michelle Bachmann understand the difference between

state and federal governments? As far as I know, the federal government recommends but doesn't require any immunization.

[xchrom]

22. Proving that the left has it's own brand

Anti-science hysterics.

Yay! We're just like Bachman, palin & perry.

[sufrommich]

23. Yay polio! nt

[Capitalocracy]

24. Ah, the good old days.

I yearn for a simpler time when the only birth control we had was smallpox and cholera.