Oh jeez, it's started

[MadHound]

This is the year I've dreaded for nine years now, the tenth anniversary of 911. Yeah, we've had the occasional, sporadic mention of 911 in the media before now, but today, the orgy of remembering has begun in earnest. Yahoo has a link and memorial up on their homepage. Books are being mentioned, TV channels are gearing up special programming. Let the orgy of jingoistic, xenophobic, hyperpatriotism begin.

Does this mean that I think we shouldn't pay our respects? No. But what I'm seeing shape up is a media frenzy designed to whip the masses into a long, long two minute hate.

I suggest you too prepare for the madness. Keep some good books on hand, be prepared to turn off the radio and/or TV. Perhaps simply staying inside, at home, is the best idea.

What I find sad is to compare the reaction to 911 with the reaction to Pearl Harbor. With Pearl, we didn't hold these yearly wakes. In 1951 we didn't have an anniversary "celebration" the way we are now. It was duly noted, and we moved on.

Sadly, I think that 911 is going to be hammered home for generations. I see this going on for twenty, twenty five years minimum. Hopefully, by the time that the thirty year mark hits, 911 will have faded into memory. Because it is incidents like 911 that are unhealthy to dwell on. Let's hope that the next generation will simply tip its hat in passing and move on.

Because we don't need to wallow in this tragedy. It is far too reminiscent of how Nazi Germany wallowed in the burning of the Reichstag. It becomes less a day of remembrance, and more a day used for propaganda purposes.

[DCKit]

1. An opportunity to assign blame where blame belongs, perhaps?

9/11, brought to you by Saudi Arabia.

[SpiralHawk]

10. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R - Crony)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_I3Q1kT0tz2A/Sbb7CR-P0tI/AAAAAAAAC1k/wWR9ykZtmcA/s400/bush+saudi+king+3.jpg

[HughBeaumont]

21. "Me and the Binster, we go WAY back. Where can I get that robe?"

:rofl:

[SoCalDem]

2. Yep.. the "day" of remembrance is parlayed into the MONTH of remembrance

and all media will be vying for the mantle of "most reverential". There will be a LOT of "history" re-written in September.

Of course we have no place ever again questioning countries who go to war with each other over long-ago "issues" (think Kosovo v Serbia).

If one does not forgive, understand (or at least try to) and move on, they remain mired in a frenzied state of hyper-vigilance, poised for blind-revenge.

[Leopolds Ghost]

80. Are they still calling that monstrous POS the "Freedom Tower"? Freedom from what?

Can you describe what "Freedom" MEANS in this context, without using the word "unlike so-and-so"?

Has there been any reporting on how architect Daniel Libeskind sold out the people of New York on the design for what is essentially a privately owned office complex, sold to a developer by the Port Authority shortly before (the first) 9/11?

It is a gigantic middle finger to the people of New York and the people who died. Shame on Stephen Spielberg, whose movie "SAVING PRIVATE RYAN" helped sell the Iraq War, for pushing more propaganda about the so-called "FREEDOM TOWER".

[Leopolds Ghost]

81. And why is it no longer a problem to make money off of 9/11 remembrance?

Or for a private developer to make $billions in profit off of the destruction of the towers?

[woo me with science]

3. +1 It is a sick preoccupation by a sick culture.

We should have rebuilt the damned towers immediately and moved on. A healthy country would have done exactly that.

Instead, we get this perpetual public stoking of the flames and reopening of the wounds, all to feed the corporate beast's demand for war.

It is revolting.

.

[closeupready]

8. This x 100.

As someone who was here that day, it'd be fine with me if we all basically forgot about that day, and left it for consideration in history books.

[PatSeg]

38. Brings to mind Europe after World War II

Seas of rubble that used to be cities and people mourned their dead and rebuilt their cities as they have done for centuries. As horrendous as the attack on 9/11 was, it just a hangnail compared to what other countries have endured.

Sometimes I think it is because as a country, we are so young and inexperienced. We do not have a history of centuries of warfare on our own soil, the sort of history that makes Europe reluctant to get involved in our military interventions. Playing with guns and bombs is cool as long it's "over there" and not in our own backyard.

I sincerely hope that after this ten-year retrospective, we can put that day behind us and focus on becoming a better society. I don't particularly ever need to hear 9/11 stories again, unless it is to help those first responders who cannot get the medical treatment they need.

[woo me with science]

56. Great post.

Thank you for the perspective.

[PatSeg]

57. Thank you

Its nice to be able to express it without being tagged "unamerican". I remember how so many people had to bite their tongues after 9/11, but lately I've heard a lot of people express similar thoughts. Many are ready to move on, but I guess a decade of expensive, senseless war does that to people.

[sarge43]

4. Not a lot of follow up media hype about Oklahoma City.

But then OK City wasn't a major media center nor was it an attack by 'foreigners'.

[TBF]

7. Right - they will memorialize 911 because it fills their need to trump up empire.

It will be their justification for invading the middle east whenever they feel like it for decades.

OK City is the one that stuck with me - homegrown terrorist who not only murdered many, but particularly disgusting that he targeted a daycare center.

[jefferson_dem]

5. Stupid people! Memorializing one of our most profound national tragedies, honoring those we lost.

We should just "tip our hat" and move on.

[Fumesucker]

6. Funny how we didn't do that for Pearl Harbor..

I guess that wasn't a profound national tragedy because it didn't make it to the air live.

[cherokeeprogressive]

43. I guess you've never heard of National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day

"National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, which is observed annually on December 7, is to remember and honor all those who died in the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. On August 23, 1994, United States Congress, by Pub.L. 103-308, designated December 7 of each year as National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day. National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day is also referred to as Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day or Pearl Harbor Day. It is a tradition to fly the Flag of the United States at half-staff until sunset in honor of dead patriots."

Pearl Harbor Day is observed all over the United States every year in thousands of communities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Pearl_Harbor_Remembrance_Day

[MadHound]

49. Ah, but do we have program after program, book after book, interview after interview,

Do we have speakers demonizing the Japanese, do we use the occasion to push political agendas? No, we don't. There is quiet remembrance, it is used as a teaching moment. And I would say that most people these days barely give a thought to Pearl Harbor on that date and simply go on about their lives.

[cherokeeprogressive]

52. Get back to me on Dec 8 after the 70th anniversary of the attack passes.

We will have had program after program on The History Channel, Discover, ABCNBCCBS, and political agendas will have been pushed. The Japanese will not be demonized however because of our close ties. They won't be demonized, nor will they be given a pass. I'd bet that no one in Japan rolls their eyes and says "oh god, here we go again" every August when they memorialize the 6th and 9th.

Most people these days barely give a thought to Pearl Harbor because there are few left who were alive on that day. Given that the average life span for American males is 72 years, soon there will be NO ONE who remembers those who died, and few who care because they weren't "born then" (a phrase I borrow from more than a few teenagers I know).

Twenty years ago a discussion of "where were you that day" would have had dozens of participants, no matter where it was held. Today, not so much.

[MadHound]

59. I was around twenty years ago,

And frankly, the Pearl Harbor fiftieth didn't get much play. There weren't endless programs devoted to it on TV, there weren't a slew of books or interviews, there wasn't a movie or TV drama, simply a dignified remembrance on the anniversary itself, not a two week orgy of self indulgent pathos.

Sorry, but what we're doing with 911 is over the top media and political hype. It does a disservice to all of us, including those who lost loved ones that day.

On edit, let me add the latest example of 911 insanity:
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1838481>

You know damn well that Nickelodeon didn't doing anything comparable for Pearl Harbor, ever.

[0rganism]

67. National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day != Annual 9/11 KillTheArabs Month

The Pearl Harbor media sideshow goes on for about a week prior and a day after the anniversary. The 9/11 media blitz begins at the end of August and lasts until the last week of September.

Next year, I fully expect the 9/11 commemoration to begin on 7/4 and end mid-November.

[cherokeeprogressive]

77. I'll bookmark this and we can talk about it on 7/5/2012, K?

[MadHound]

12. It is the hyper-sensationalizing of this event that I find obscene,

The endless TV specials, articles, books, interviews, etc. etc. A dignified memorial, I have no qualms about. But this is going to be over the top, and used to scored political points. Not to mention that it is going to be used as an opportunity for mass jingoism, mass xenophobia. Is that how you want 911 memorialized?

We didn't go to these lengths to memorialize Pearl Harbor, or OK City ten years out, but we are going all out, over the top for 911. You don't see this?

[Bluenorthwest]

26. Dec 7,1941 is the day that will live in infamy.

In Hawaii, aside from the USS Arizona Memorial Shrine-that is the name, shrine- three other WW2 memorials exist and the 4 are among the most visited places in the state. There have been constant events at those and other sites, not long ago I read about a tea ceremony given at the Arizona shrine to honor the 70 year gone event.
I think the language you editorialize with contains the same problems that the media gets into. You have, for example, not spoken of a specific thing you have seen that offended you, nor the reasons that it did. No, you just keep saying 'this is going to be' and then 'orgy, jingo, xenophobia, hate'.
I think that on the first VJ day, or on the 10th anniversary, there would have been less characterization and more description of the events. And any time anyone, for any reason, starts gassing off with predictions 'this will be' you have to wonder if all the psychic powers of foresight might bother to include some details. "It will be this, and that will piss me off." Ok. You are angry. That others are not doing as you would have them do. This does not impress me all that much.

[MadHound]

50. Umm, speaking of gassing off,

Have you checked out the Yahoo homepage, the example I specifically mentioned. Or have you looked at the TV lately, with all the political interviews built around 911, interviews with Cheney, Bush, et. al. Have you seen the advertisements for the myriad of programs that are going to be shown? Or seen the reams of books coming out, not to mention magazine, newspaper and internet articles that are being published.

You don't have to be psychic, just simply aware.

[SusanaMontana41]

84. Saw a TV commercial for a program that "honors 9/11."

So we're honoring 9/11 now?

Heard that GWB "honored" himself for his "honorable" performance that day. Cheney and Rummy are "honoring" themselves with book tours.

We're honoring victims by giving publicity to the war criminals who LIHOP (or MIHOP). We are so down the rabbit hole ...

on edit: Added quotations to remark about GWB. Now it's accurate.

[FLPanhandle]

9. Just get through this one.

I doubt there will be a 20th year anniversary media orgy.

We just have to get through this one and hopefully the media will keep 9/11 in perspective afterward.

[liberation]

62. "We just have to get through this one and hopefully the media will keep 9/11 in perspective"

Out of curiosity what sort of pattern have you seen from the US media that leads you to make such a statement?

[Shanti Mama]

11. domestic BBC is doing a piece on conspiracy theories

I heard this on the radio today. Can't wait til it shows internationally. They reported that 1 out of 7 people in the US and UK believe it was a conspiracy. In the 18-24 age bracket it's 1 out of 4.

[FLPanhandle]

13. Lots of stupid people out there.

For example, 2 out of 5 people in the US believe evolution is a conspiracy by liberal atheists.

[MadHound]

14. Yep, lots of stupid people out there,

Just perhaps they're not stupid in the way you think.

[Raster]

24. "....don't worry, Dick. No one will ever believe we had a hand in this....

....there's a lot of stupid people out there.

[sad sally]

79. how right you are...

"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." --John F. Kennedy

"Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate. Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission." --Washington Post, 2 August 2006

"At some level of the government, at some point in time ... there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened ." --John Farmer, Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission and Attorney General of New Jersey

"If I had to narrow it down to one person ... I think my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney." --Dr. Robert Bowman, Ph.D. in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech, former U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel, and Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations

[Lorien]

46. It's not like any conspiracy theories have ever turned out to be TRUE, right??

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1001/856/14_Conspiracy_Theories_That_The_Media_Now_Admits_Are_Conspiracy_Facts.html

[cherokeeprogressive]

53. Correct. It's just that conspiracy theories about 9/11 haven't. n/t

[FLPanhandle]

54. Wow, you've convinced me.

The creationists must therefore be right about their liberal atheist evolution conspiracy. :eyes:

LOL.

[The Doctor.]

83. So the fact that MK Ultra was a reality makes Evolution a conspiracy?

I just love how some are so willing to so quickly abandon reason to make a point.

Well, actually it disgusts me. It's why I always laugh when people look back on horrifying events and say, "Thank goodness that could never happen now."

It can and it will so long as we are so certain it won't.

O'n'O.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

36. 3 out 7 Americans couldn't define "conspiracy" if you pointed a lead ruler at their knuckles.

[Shanti Mama]

82. don't shoot the messenger

I'm just reporting what BBC reported. People on DU are quite aggressive these days!

The radio story included an interview with a man who made a good case for repainting our view of the events. If we'd been told otherwise, we might think the current story sounds like a conspiracy theory, with dozens of domestic and international agencies not picking up on the hijackers' plans, them getting through security, etc. He said 1800 scientists worldwide have gone on record about the impossibility of Building 7 free falling as it did. Interesting.

[Puglover]

15. What's sad is the media will cheapen it.

And that tends to make me cynical. The TV is staying off for the next 12 days or so.

[Bragi]

16. The real catastrophe was on 9/12, not 9/11

Which is to say that 9/11 was a tragedy, but the unwise, vengeful and short-sighted reaction to it by the Bush administration -- and many Americans -- was a true catastrophe for peace, human rights and civil liberties.

With a smarter president, and a wiser people, it could have been a quite different response, one that might have been the start of something good and worthwhile.

I'm confident that the 9/11 media/political establishment will do their best to ensure that the 10th commemorative will be maudlin and trite and totally ignore the catastrophe of 9/12. I don't intend to watch any of it.

[CrispyQ]

17. Every American over 12 should be required to read this so they fully understand why "they" hate us.

A Brief History of U.S. Interventions:
1945 to the Present
by William Blum

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html

snip...

The engine of American foreign policy has been fueled not by a devotion to any kind of morality, but rather by the necessity to serve other imperatives, which can be summarized as follows:

* making the world safe for American corporations;
* enhancing the financial statements of defense contractors at home who have contributed generously to members of congress;
* preventing the rise of any society that might serve as a successful example of an alternative to the capitalist model;
* extending political and economic hegemony over as wide an area as possible, as befits a "great power."

This in the name of fighting a supposed moral crusade against what cold warriors convinced themselves, and the American people, was the existence of an evil International Communist Conspiracy, which in fact never existed, evil or not.

The United States carried out extremely serious interventions into more than 70 nations in this period.

~more at link


It's sure to be a disgusting display with very little truth.



on edit: original source & date of article: Z magazine , June 1999

[OwnedByFerrets]

19. Every time I hear the phrase

"they hate us for our freedoms", I want to hurt someone. And this from a long time pacifist.

[Odin2005]

28. Me too, that line is annoying as FUCK.

[HughBeaumont]

31. Especially considering we're one of the least free nations on Earth.

Our success in life is almost completely tethered to how gainfully we're employed. Our social safety nets are garbage compared to other industrialized nations. A cab driver in France is likely more free than any of us are. Our Democratic president is continuing many of the Fascist former occupant's domestic spying practices. Our military is holding the whole world hostage for an absolute continuation of the useless turkey shoots of choice.

[OwnedByFerrets]

58. All true.

[butterfly77]

18. You are reading my mind..

me and some friends had this conversation yesterday,you hit all of the main points we were discussing.

I check in on Fox every now and then to see which angle they are going to come up with on this and every subject.

They are already getting on my nerves. Now they are hyping up Bush/Cheney as though they are the nations heros' and how they should be honored for "protecting us" if they were protecting us why did the towers get hit???

[HughBeaumont]

20. Yay! Let's all celebrate and remember across-the-board failure!!

All this is a reminder of is how we shovel tons and tons and tons of tax dollars (tax dollars that DON'T go to infrastructure repair, education or health care, mind you) every single year into institutions like NORAD, FAA, the US Military, the CIA, the FBI, etc. for the purpose of protecting us and keeping America's soil safe. Defending the country, if you will.

But, if all documented evidence tells us anything, it's that all of these institutions, when emergency action and on-the-spot defense was crucially needed . . .. failed us MISERABLY.

Personally, I think this was all a big goddamned LIHOP/MIHOP set-up so the Failure Fuhrer and his Junta could get their blank check for their never-ending turkey-shoots of choice, but that's just me. Or not just me.

[Raster]

22. 9/11 was queued up to be a featured item in the propoganda pipeline long before the jets ever hit...

...the towers. Consider all the known evidence. It certainly appears that 9/11 was a terrorist event -- and cheney*/bush* trump card -- just waiting to happen.


http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2009/01/19/worst-bush-moments-2-youve-covered-your-ass/

But if there was one thing, one moment, when the United States might have gone to a higher level of alert, it came on August 6, 2001, when a briefer gave the President of the United States a briefing entitled, “Bin Ladin determined to strike in U.S.”

Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate Bin Ladin since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Ladin implied in US television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and “bring the fighting to America.”

After US missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, Bin Ladin told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a service.

An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told an service at the same time that Bin Ladin was planning to exploit the operative’s access to the US to mount a terrorist strike.

<...>

We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a <--> service in 1998 saying that Bin Ladin wanted to hijack a US aircraft to gain the release of “Blind Shaykh” ‘Umar ‘Abd al-Rahman and other US-held extremists.
Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The President received this sobering information at his Crawford ranch, while on vacation. Did he spring into action? Make a phone call? Ask a question? Nope. Instead, he told the briefer, “Well, you’ve covered your ass,” and moved on.

[stuntcat]

23. by October it will be over

Seriously, the short-attention-span populace will move on pretty quickly.
The networks' news will move on to relentlessly covering some sensationalized easily-photographed issue that has no importance to our actual future.. probably involving a pretty little girl and someone with a neat manicure? Don't quote me on this! but I feel pretty confident in it.
Meanwhile the planet will die a little more, thousands of acres of old forest will disappear, tens of thousands will die each day of starvation.. while my well-fed flag-waving neighbors know nothing of it and spend their nights laughing at whatever's on their TVs.

[RadiationTherapy]

25. The 10th anniversary is on a Sunday and is the opening weekend of the NFL.

Church, football, and 9/11...it's like they planned it!

[cherokeeprogressive]

45. Guarantee that there will be moments of silence at every game played that Sunday

And that it will be bitched about incessantly here at DU.

[alarimer]

74. It will be much worse than that.

It will be a propaganda-fest of epic proportions for the sheeple. A patriotic circle-jerk, nothing more

[RadiationTherapy]

78. I wish it would be so respectful. I expect a lot more smarm than charm.

As other posters have noted...

[alarimer]

73. Those games will play up the 9/11 angle for all it's worth.

Halftime and the pre-game will be utterly insufferable.

Good reason for me to blast protest music. "Idiot America" indeed.

[Zax2me]

27. I think of those who lost mothers,fathers- reading your post.

Some might agree with you.
I'd think many would not.

[sarge43]

29. The OP was referring to the media hype.

You honestly believe this 'anniversery' has anything to do with mourning?

[MadHound]

35. I'm talking about the media/political hype

Take a look around and tell me I'm wrong.

[chrisa]

30. Unrec. Nobody is wallowing in 9/11.

There will be programs about it and a ceremony, but nobody is wallowing over 9/11. It happened 10 years ago. The ceremony is more for people who lost loved ones on that day. 9/11 is already fading away as an event in history.

And as for jingoism, I haven't seen any lately. People are tired of war and want it to end.

There is no doubt, though, that 9/11 was used as propaganda by the Bush Admin. That was sickening. The PNAC crowd was jumping for joy when it happened, because they found a reason to unite the country behind a war for oil.

[Raster]

32. The PNAC was jumping with joy because they were able to pull it off, giving them:

(1) the excuse to stop the country from examining the mechanics of SELECTION 2000. After all, we need to support the pResident, even if he wasn't legally and lawfully elected;
(2) the justification to ratchet up the war machine to new levels of war profiteering without suffering the legal consequences;
(3) the rationale to invade Iraq on the flimsiest of evidence, which we now know, was entirely manufactured;
(4) an eight-year get-out-of-jail-free card, allowing the cheney*/bush* mis-administration to literally rewrite existing laws to suit their nefarious needs with little to no Congressional oversight; and
(5) the reason to subvert international treaties and the rule of law to allow Amerika to become the "New Rome."

[Politicalboi]

61. The ability to steal

2.3 Trillion dollars (probably more) and announce it on 09/10/01. I never really thought about the election investigation, but you're probably right.

[G_j]

33. The Bush gang certainly is

and getting lots of mileage..witness, Cheney

[MadHound]

34. Really?

Then tell me why they are pushing TV program after TV program. The Bush 911 interview, Cheney's book, oh, and go look at the Yahoo homepage. Hell, even NPR is getting in on the act.

Take a serious look around the next couple of weeks, then get back to me. My bet, your opinion will have changed.

[chrisa]

41. That's just because it's the 10th anniversary.

9/11 is nowhere near as big of a topic as it used to be. It used to be the Bush Admin's calling card. Now it's more along the lines of a small ceremony and History Channel programs.

Of course, I could be wrong, with a massive media frenzy and a week long of programming on all major stations and mass hysteria, but I really doubt that would happen. The country has gotten over 9/11 - It's the media that could possibly obsess over it.

[MadHound]

51. Really?

What other tragedy is replayed, year in, year out, in all of its gory glory. Seriously, at least one major network has replayed their entire 911 broadcast from that day on each and every anniversary. And I imagine that this will happen this year as well.

There are books coming out, people like Bush and Cheney being interviewed about it on national TV, and if you haven't seen the television in awhile, watch, and check out all the ads for various networks' 911 programming specials.

Meanwhile, two weeks ahead of time, NPR is cranking up the event, and Yahoo has made put a special icon/link "911 Remembered" on their homepage. Oh, it's going to be a massive media frenzy alright. Sickening and disgusting as that is.

[Javaman]

55. When you eventually realize how much money is to be made off of the

the tragedy of others, then you will understand.

It's less about the people who died than it is about ratings, moves, posters, gewgaws, and other bullshit that is to be sold for profit off of the dead.

These various "remembrances" are less about 9/11, then they are about making money.

[alarimer]

75. Yes it is wallowing.

It is one EVERY SINGLE FUCKING CHANNEL ALL FUCKING WEEK. Yes, the very definition of wallowing. Nat Geo showed an interview with GW Bush, the one who is most at fault for it. And it was the most disgusting thing I have probably ever seen, but it's like a train wreck, almost impossible to look away.

Now this is to remind the sheeple that this the worst thing to ever happen ever in the world. Complete bullshit. It is a Nuremburg rally for the clueless. It is shameless and manipulative. And each channel is competing to see who can be the most maudlin, the most shameless in their patriot horn-blowing.

[blkmusclmachine]

37. The GOP is Obsessed with their hatred of Others:

It's all they've got left.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

39. But, the endless coverage of the gala will sell lots of flags and Doritos.

[GreenPartyVoter]

40. I'm ignoring all the celebrations on TV. I can remember it myself in my own quiet way.

[Lorien]

44. "Celebrations"; yikes, has it come to that??

[GreenPartyVoter]

47. It might have. :^( If every NFL football game this fall starts with an hour's worth of

patriotic pageantry, then we'll know I guess.

[Lorien]

42. It also says to the terrorists (whoever they were) "Well done! Mission accomplished!"

and encourages others. I was at a party this weekend with some of my friends who work for the PBS news department and a few other syndicated news services. They were all complaining about the push to "memorialize" 9/11 and they worried about the message it would be sending.

[Javaman]

48. I wrote this a long while back...

Message:
My 9/11 fucking rant!
Thu Sep-11-08 03:55 PM
Original message
This day has been so completely bastardized by the fucking rightwing media and by our fucking mentally deficient politicians, that what every real meaning behind it won't be found on over produced over saturated over eulogized tv movies of the week or as the rest of the nation calls it "the news".

I will reflect upon the friends I lost that day on my own, with my own thoughts and prayers.

I don't need the full spangled banner stupidity of the heartless rating grubbing morons and media sycophants or the bottom feeding politicians to tell me how I should fucking feel or how I should fucking think or how I should fucking pay tribute to those that lost their lives 7 years ago today.

We live in a corrupt and crooked nation, period. The last piece of myself that I hold near and dear is my integrity, I will not compromise it by giving into the produced for tv sappy ceremonies that make money off the dead.

my sorrow is my own.

[Politicalboi]

60. I'm dreading it too

Listening to the "official story" sickens me to death. I'd like to know how many doubters have spent anytime just looking for themselves. I mean we don't even have to go to the fact that buildings that fall 10 stories per second without resistance is important. All we have to do is look how our government acted on that day. Is that what we pay taxes for? Is one video of the Pentagon "attack" good enough? Is having 40 minutes to react (Pentagon) good enough? Apparently so for some. It just blows my mind that people accept all this bullshit. I could go on, but why. Some here call us stupid for questioning our governments story. And I would bet those people haven't really looked into 9/11. And Popular Mechanics used to be a reputable source, but they are a joke today.

[Ezlivin]

63. Is an underfunded investigation worth a damn?

Does it matter that the two most important "actors" on that day didn't have to testify on record, under oath and separately?

Does it matter that Senator Max Cleland resigned from the 9/11 Commission when he saw the corruption already in place? Cleland attacked his own commission after the other members cut a deal to accept highly limited access to CIA reports to the White House that may indicate advance knowledge of the attacks on the part of the Bush administration. "This is a scam," Cleland said. "It's disgusting. America is being cheated."

Does it matter that 9 of the 19 hijackers are still alive?

Does it matter?

[Major Hogwash]

64. We definitely need to reopen the 9/11 commission hearings! Release the Bush documents!

The 10s of 1000s that were held back from the first commission, the whitewash commission.

[SixthSense]

65. No Television = No Problem

great solution for a lot of things, including 9/11 propaganda blitzes

[Tesha]

66. My mother always told me...

Don't pick at a scab- it'll never heal.

...wish my Mom was here to share her wisdom with these people.

[lib2DaBone]

68. 911 is working perfeclty as designed... to divert attention...

911 was designed (and still is) working to divert attention from the Bankers and how badly the MIC is screwing America.

[Raster]

86. And not only to divert attention, but to ensure blind compliance...

...allowing the MIC to expand it's "funding" dramatically and gain further inroads to American life.

[Canuckistanian]

69. Is there a site for official 9/11 merchandise?

I'd like to get an ashtray or maybe a Rudy Giuliani bobblehead....

[jimlup]

70. Continue to speak the truth quietly - some will listen and recognize it /nt

[unkachuck]

71. "...a day used for propaganda purposes."

....911 is the new Communism....if not 911, what else is capable of lubricating the corporate war-machine? Three guesses?

"I see this going on for twenty, twenty five years minimum."

....too long of a time-frame....within a few years the next boogie-man will appear....it will be the evil international 'killer-trade-enemy-from-hell'....the 'killer-Muslims-from-a-cave' scenario has gotten rather old and stale....

....911 had limited marketing appeal right from the beginning....no one really gives a shit about what happens in New York City....

[alarimer]

72. I plan on ignoring ALL of it.

It's just so much bullshit.

[JI7]

76. i still can't get over the people who were trapped in the building waiting/hoping to be rescued

but ended up dying. the people who jumped or fell to their deaths. those ones in the building when it came down.

i usually avoid tv on 9/11 and probably will this time around also.

[WCGreen]

85. The terrorism of provoked national grief...