Obama's Approval/Disapproval at -17%

[BlueDemKev]

The latest Gallup poll now has the president's approval rating at 38% while 55% disapprove. You can knock Gallup all you want to, say it's skewed to the right, etc., but there's no way anyone can eradicate these dismal numbers. If I didn't have two small children, I'd give more than just passing thought about moving to Canada. I am all for the free market, personal responsibility, etc., but there has to be some degree, however small, of responsibility to society as a whole. American conservatives don't want evolution taught in public schools, but they are ALL FOR IT in practice....if you are weak (i.e.--unfortunate enough to get sick, or have your job outsourced, etc.), the conservative theory is that you'll just die off. Pathetic.

Jack Cafferty was right....Americans are severly allergic to any type of common sense. They're like self-centered teens who think they know everything, don't want to be "told" what to do, etc., but the second they get into trouble they go running to the government with their hands out but once the government gets them back on their feet, hey, don't even THINK of asking these crybabies to pay one more cent in taxes so that others who are suffering may be helped as well.

Oh, and anytime something goes wrong, it's the government's fault. This recession and slow recovery is the government's fault, it wasn't caused by greedy bankers who engaged in predatory lending, or individuals who foolishly bought homes they could NOT afford (at least not after the "interest-only" period expired). Nope, none of that had anything to do with it....it's all the government's fault with their taxing and regulating. :eyes: God Help us.

This mentality will cause our nation's downfall long before any government regulation ever will.

[scheming daemons]

1. Yes... but Repubs' approval/disapproval is worse... that's why he'll win

[ixion]

3. hurray! A little-tiny-bit-less FAIL

:eyes:

[Proud Liberal Dem]

39. Only if you consider Obama to be a fail

which I (and most Democrats) certainly don't.

[ixion]

45. good for you

The DLC thanks you for voting republican-lite. :eyes:

[Proud Liberal Dem]

47. Whatever

:eyes:

[demwing]

4. In head to head comparisons

Both Romney and Perry are beating Obama

Given the choice between any Republican, and Obama, I'll choose Obama, without a hesitation.

But I appear to be in the minority, at least for the moment.

[scheming daemons]

No true... Obama is +2 against Perry, -2 against Romney... statistical dead heats

[demwing]

22. Obama is down two points to Romney, and TIED with Perry

http://www.gallup.com/poll/149114/Obama-Close-Race-Against-Romney-Perry-Bachmann-Paul.aspx

He has only two points on Paul, and four on Bachmann!

Only FOUR POINTS ON BATSHIT BACHMANN!

The sad news is that he doesn't break 50 percent against any of them. When there is only 1 GOP candidate left, Obama will have a real problem, and that problem will have NOTHING to do with pissed off progressives.

[Bluebear]

7. It's ok 164% of liberals approve of him so we don't need anyone else

Or so I have been told here

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Down from 586%?

[Bluebear]

13. It was a rough week

[readmoreoften]

14. Don't worry, they'll be up to 1200% after we purge all the Obama Criticizers.

And once Obama isn't accountable to anyone for anything, that's when we win. Whoever "we" are.

[WhiteTara]

15. No, the noisy TPers are out in force with

all their noise.

[Bluebear]

17. How are tea partiers skewing poll results?

[Bluebear]

44. Hello

[demwing]

56. I wish it were an internet survey

but it's a serious poll, with results that should make Team Obama pay attention. I wouldn't expect Obama to be personally worried, but if his campaign staff are ignoring these numbers, we may be in for a bumpy night, come Novermber.

[roguevalley]

21. yet there are those that say he's doing great, don't change.

I don't know what it would take with some.

[OnyxCollie]

64. Bouncing paychecks is what I guess it would take.

Propagandists gotta get paid.

[riverbendviewgal]

2. If you have the qualifications to apply to come to Canada as

an immigrant, then do it.

I was born in the USA and left it in 1969 and Canada accepted my husband and me as immigrants.

I will never move back to the USA, not ever.

[BlueDemKev]

5. It's a little difficult.....

...when you are divorced, and have two small children who live with their mother. I cannot and will not abandon them.

[Logical]

6. I am jealous! Congrats!

[walerosco]

9. Sorry but I wont

let the rightwingers take over the country. Majority of americans are liberals so I dont see any reason to give up before a real fight

[elocs]

28. The DU Alternate Universe: the majority of Americans are Liberals.

Funny, the rightwingers think the majority of Americans are conservatives. What are the chances that both extremes are mistaken? Because we all like to pretend that most people are really like us, no matter what "us" may be. It's the illusion and self delusion that keeps us going.

[cilla4progress]

10. Where do you live in Canada,

you lucky you!?

[elocs]

19. I wonder why U.S. citizens with no connection to Canada think they can simply move there.

Really, why would Canada want a bunch of dissatisfied U.S. Democrats? I just don't it's such a simple matter just to head to Canada and live there as many claim they would do.

The bottom line is that only the well-off in this country or on DU could even consider moving to another country. Many of us would have financial trouble just moving across town.

[2banon]

23. I had considered this in 2004...

qualifications are much different now... If you have a chunk of money, you're good to go...otherwise forgettabout it...

I'm sure there are ways and means around this... and that's the part I want to know about.. ;D

[Shagbark Hickory]

36. Depends what you call a chunk of money. My understanding is it's pretty easy if you...

own real estate there and make it your primary (6+ month/yr) residence.

Realtor dot com shows there's some pretty cheap properties to be had in canada. I'm talking ~$20k to ~$80bungalows relatively close to big cities.

MAybe someome who did it can chime in.

[2banon]

63. hmm.....This I would like to know more about!

Seriously.

[girl gone mad]

8. You think he's blameless for the economy?

Many people, myself included, spent countless hours warning the administration that they were pursuing economically destructive policies and that the second leg of the financial crisis would hit before the 2012 election. Their response was to shrug off facts, call critics names, and move even further to the right.

[demwing]

24. I think he WAS blameless

but has assumed some ownership by tying himself to the wrong economic advisors.

[tblue]

11. I believe it's his election to lose

He has all the tools and intelligence to turn this around. All he has to do is use them. I think it's possible this polling will work out in the end to our and the president's advantage. He's getting an early enough wakeup call to change course and go bold. There's time yet for him to do it. And he will win more support by being strong, even if he loses a few policy battles, than he has won by being too flexible (to put it kindly) and achieving wishy-washy results. Take heart. This could be good.

[BlueDemKev]

16. It's barely 14 months until the election....

...time is getting very short for him to "turn this around." What is taking him so freakin' long to reveal his "bold jobs plan"? Obama's problem is he takes too damn long to make a decision and, until very recently, never understood that his political adversaries had NO INTEREST in working with him--ON ANYTHING. Then, he capitulates on the debt-ceiling thing and compares it to his arguing with his wife and saying "at some point I put my foot down and demand my 10 percent." Yeah, that pretty much somes it up, Mr. President.

[johnnie]

18. I heard his disapproval is at -156%

In fact I heard that 57% of all Democrats disapprove while the other 78% really disapprove and 64% really really disapprove. I've also heard that a huge percentage of Americans never really paid attention to politics and how it works until the last decade or so. That's what I've heard anyway.

[progressoid]

20. Actually, this recession and slow recovery is partly the government's fault

If our gov't hadn't loosened regulations that allowed greedy bankers to rape the country, we may not have been in this deep of a hole.

[demwing]

25. The VERY good News

is that Obama is trampling the GOP candidates in the PPP Iowa poll, and has double digit leads over each of the four major players (Romney, Perry, Paul, and Bachmann). Iowa is a state where the GOP are quite well known at this point, so the results are significant.

He's also beating them all in Wisconsin. Woot!

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/08/obama-leads-in-wisconsin-iowa.html

[BlueDemKev]

26. Other polls show a different story.....

...the PPP is a Democratic poll. Visit realclearpolitics.com and see a variety of polls showing him in a dead heat with Perry and only 4 points ahead of the Minnesota whacko.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

27. I have a hard time honestly believing that Perry and esp. Bachmann would be THAT close to Obama

Romney being close to him, sure, I can buy that. However, no sane person whom knows all about Perry or especially Bachmann would consider them to be superior candidates to President Obama. Plus, neither one of them have tremendous name recognition at this stage. Who the hell are they polling exactly? :shrug: I think that the sample size in that particular Gallup poll was like around 1000. Is that considered to be a representative sample size? :shrug:

[demwing]

34. If we're talking the Gallup Poll, MOE was +-4%

which is high.

Sample size was 1026, aproximately 400 cell, 600 landline, all 50 states

[Proud Liberal Dem]

38. So

I'm no expert on polls but a high MOE means that the poll is not very accurate, right? :shrug:

[demwing]

43. The higher the MOE, the less reliable the result, you are correct

and the value of the MOE depends on sample size. Low sample size creates high MOE.

you'll find a lot of discussion over what constitues acceptable MOE, but really, anything that gives you a spread of results approaching double diget variation is too high, in my book. A MOE of (+-)5% gives you a potential 10 point variation in result, and a MOE of (+-)2.5% gives you a swing of 5 points.

I'll lean toward 2.5% over 5% any day. 4% is also high.

BTW - the PPP poll I quoted above has a MOE of (+-)3.4% in WI, (+-)3.5% in IA.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

55. I believe it. Perry, Romney, and Bachmann are all enjoying a Corporate Media

lovefest now. They are getting all the attention. This poll--which represents only a snapshot in time--is a reflection of that.

14 months is an eternity in the world of politics.

Hell, a weekend is a fucking eternity. Kerry leading Bush in 2004 until the weekend before the election when the Osama bin Laden tape was released. Then, scared-shitless Americans bought into the Corporate Media meme that we can't change horses during a time of war and uncertainty.

Still, it is amazing that America elected Clinton twice, despite all the damage he did with his DLC policies; allowed Dumbya to be in office TWICE; but they expect Obama to clean up 16 years of deregulatory policies in less than 2 or 3. It's absurd and ridiculous!!!

[demwing]

57. Obama clean up may take longer than you think

at this rate

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

61. Precisely my point. We knew that it would take longer, but people are impatient

and angry...and rightfully so. It is my opinion that people are angry at the WRONG people/person. They have refused to hold the ReTHUGlicans and the Teabaggers accountable at all.

[demwing]

30. Please provide links next time

so people don't have to spend their time trying to prove your point;

If you're referring to the latest Gallup poll, I already posted that result upthread. Note - The Gallup results are National. The PPP refers to Wisconson and Iowa statewides only.

[BlueDemKev]

49. RealClearPolitics.com

Click on Polls, and Obama Approval.

[demwing]

31. Please provide links next time

so people don't have to spend their time trying to prove your point;

If you're referring to the latest Gallup poll, I already posted that result upthread. Note - The Gallup results are National. The PPP refers to Wisconson and Iowa statewides only.

[Bluebear]

32. Yikes

[Upton]

33. Check out this poll from Florida..

Obama has a 56% disapproval rating and is trailing Romney by 8%. He's not going to win if he loses Florida. His SS cut noises sure don't help him there..and if the economy doesn't improve significantly, I don't think he's going to be reelected.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/25/2375199/new-florida-poll-shows-obama-has.html

[BlueDemKev]

50. He CAN win without Florida, but.....

...he'd have to sweep NH, NJ, PA, OH, MI, WI, MN, IA, NM, CO, and NV to reach 270. Normally, this is doable for a Democratic candidate, but with Obama's approval rating and this shitty economy that just can't seem to get any better, I don't see how he can win all of these states.

Since we already know that right-wingers read ANY margin of victory as a HUGE mandate (note their attitude following the 2000 and 2004 elections), it's more than likely we will be seeing a lot of tea party-backed legislation being enacted starting in 2013. The repeal of health insurance reform, drastic tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and corporations, no government oversight insofar as workers' safety and financial regulations, the phasing out of S.S. and Medicare, but also funding for Medicaid, medical research, environmental protection, education, and our nation's infrastructure. Justices Ginsburg and Breyer will be replaced by another Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, solidifying a right-wing majority on the Supreme Court for the next 20-30 years and....
:argh:

"...O Canada, I have my eyes on Thee!"

[Zax2me]

37. Talk about a skewed poll...n/t

[demwing]

41. Yes, please talk about it

because if you don't, we don't know why you think the way you think

[LetTimmySmoke]

29. People don't like a weak leader.

It's as simple as that. People expect their leader to take stands, to be clear about what he/she believes, etc.

[BlueDemKev]

53. Yep.

[NorthCarolina]

35. Is there anyone that still thinks a Primary Challenge is a bad idea?

Numbers like this 14 months out from the election is not a good sign for an incumbent. America years for a true Progressive. They thought they had elected one in 2008, perhaps they will scrutinize a little better next time.

[lonestarnot]

40. Stop pushing bullshit ignorance.

[BlueDemKev]

51. America yearns for a true progressive?

...if that were true, do you think they'd all of been voting for tea-bag lunatics last November??? What America yearns for is someone who will give them everything they want for nothing.

[rapmanej]

42. Time to bring this back from 2004

[Chocolate_dreamer]

46. Only Gallup has it at -17

They have the most anti-Obama numbers of all pollsters.

[okieinpain]

48. oh quit whining. if you don't like the man don't vote for him. me

personally I'll vote for him without any objections. he's done a pretty good job and I have no complaints.

[BlueDemKev]

52. I'll vote for him....

...over a tea-bagger any day. I'm just disgusted with the American people for listening to the lunacies of the right-wing.

[Romulox]

54. Any thoughts on Obama's Med. Marijuana policy, okieinpain? nt

[okieinpain]

60. nope, n/t.

[Romulox]

66. Typical. I guess empathy for those in pain doesn't mean much to you.

Your screen name kind of backfires, therefore! :hi:

[okieinpain]

67. lol. I know it hasn't been done in 200 years, so president obama

should do it in his first 4. lol.

[Romulox]

68. The President could've called off Federal Raids on day 1. Quit pretending.

:hi:

[demwing]

58. Oh quit bitching. If you don't like the thread, dont read it

personally I'll read without any objections. The OP did a pretty good job and I have no complaints.

[okieinpain]

59. lol. you do have to read it to see if it's something you agree with.n/t.

[demwing]

65. You have to read the OP, but not the whole thread

And once you determined that you disapproved, then all you had to do was walk away (the same advice you gave the OP...).

[treestar]

62. Why don't you move to Canada?

what does having small children to do with it? Don't you want them to have a better life, as Canadians?