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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 11:01 PM
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Irene vs Katrina: why electing people who hate government leads to bad government

If someone hates government... but then runs for office... why would anyone expect them to do a good job?



Would you think a principal that hated children would be good at his job?

What about a mechanic that hates cars?

Or a chef that hates food?



When will Americans learn that electing people who hate the very idea of government is NOT the way to get good government?


Hopefully the 180-degree difference between the way the Obama administration is handling Irene vs the way the Bush administration handled Katrina will open some people's eyes.


If you want good government, elect people who believe that government can be a tool for good.


Don't elect a Rick Perry, who hates the idea of government. Don't elect disciples of Grover "Drown the governmnent in a bath tub" Norquist.


President Obama, Mayor Bloomberg, Governor Cuomo, Governor Perdue, Governor O'Malley... and yes, even Governor Christie the past few days... have all shown that government can be a tool for good.

Hopefully Christie retains the lesson he's learned the past few days.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 11:04 PM
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1. LOL... someone already unrecced this....
No Democrat or progressive would unrec this.


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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 11:06 PM
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3. I've wondered if there's a program that automatically rnnrecs
every post -- is that possible? Because some unrecs just don't make any sense -- even for trolls!
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 11:04 PM
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2. The people who vote for anti-government people do so because
they want them to dismantle government. The whole "get government out of our lives" thing has gone on for far to long.
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 11:16 PM
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4. The vast majority of the people that repeat this mantra
are the same ones who rely on the government the most.

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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 11:25 PM
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5. There were HUGE convoys of power company bucket trucks going
eastbound on the Ohio Turnpike today, as I was going west from NY state back to Iowa. I have to believe that FEMA played a big role in helping to coordinate all of these efforts.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 11:33 PM
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6. Agree 110%!
Edited on Sat Aug-27-11 11:36 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
The #1 thing that might make some real difference in Congressional and/or Presidential races IMHO would be making candidates whom profess to hate government explain WHY the hell they want to be in government if they hate it so much? Maybe it might make people think twice before electing somebody to a government post who is clearly not wanting to do his/her job. The Republicans have been able to skate past this point much too easily in the past. This seems like a simple commonsense point that most people should easily understand.

After all:

Schools don't hire teachers whom don't want to teach.

The Police force doesn't accept and train people whom don't want to enforce the law.

No business that I know would ever hire somebody who told their interviewer that they don't believe in the company, don't want to be there, and won't do their job if hired.


So................why should we hire people to represent us if profess they hate "government" so much and essentially only want to be there to make it as dysfunctional as possible and to keep anything meaningful from happening, as well as to sell government off to their private sector buddies and campaign donors?

:shrug:

I don't expect everybody running for office to agree on everything and I can accept that there is a wide range of opinions about what government should do and how it should do it but I'm fine with that as long as the people at least accept the premise that they are running for public office and prepared to actually do their job to represent their constituents and keep the government running as smoothly as possibly. At one point in time, we had some semblance of bipartisanship and cooperation between the two parties and the concept of compromise was not a dirty word- on either side. While both parties fought over things all of the times, at the end of the day both sides used to (pre-Gingrich revolution) both recognize that things like government shutdowns and defaulting on our debts were BAD things that shouldn't even be risked for any reasons and that some genuine give and take on both sides would be necessary to avoid them. People on both sides also used to recognize that we, as a government, don't accept let alone condone undemocratic and/or human rights violations things like indefinite detention, torture, etc. That was supposed to be what the "bad guys" were doing to other people during WW2 and what we executed many of our enemies for after the dust settled. Both sides used to agree that invading and occupying a foreign country absent a (real) imminent threat to our country (such as during WW2) or to the world-at-large was a bad idea. Frankly, it pains me to think about the degree to which our country has fallen, particularly in a moral sense during just the past decade.

We can start changing this IMHO, however, if we start actually electing the right kind of people to office whom recognize and take their responsibilities as public officials seriously and doing what we can to keep the people whom don't out of office.

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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 12:04 AM
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7. Stop electing government haters, please! -- I agree with you.
But the propaganda has been catapulted hard.

Government baaaad.

And the Bush gang governed really really badly, leading us into war and torture and reckless negligence of infrastructure maintenance and broad financial fraud and we politely pretended their party might work with us in repairing the damage they had done.

We pretended the party of bad government might compromise with us, and when they wouldn't, we did it for them. Lowering our standards of decency to meet theirs-- and still they held out for less compassion.

And broadcast news pretended the GOP was serious about fiscal restraint. Presenting serious alternatives for consideration. While the GOP had been doing nothing of the sort and was just bound and determined to sink the latest Democratic Presidency. Just a more vicious version of beating up on the last one.

That's what makes it harder for me to understand the depth of the compromising.

But you're asking us to be hopeful, that this storm management will have shown the GOP that government can do good.

At least the people know that Democrats know government is necessary and helpful as climate destabilization from carbon pollution accelerates.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-11 01:25 AM
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8. Ridiculously stupid comparison
n/t
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