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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 07:00 PM
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Obama Counting on Environmentalists Not Having Any Place to Go in 2012
Edited on Fri Aug-26-11 07:04 PM by amborin

Hansen Says Obama Will Be 'Greenwashing' About Climate Change if He Approves Keystone XL Pipeline

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......But there is a risk for the president, said Julian Zelizer, a professor of public history and public affairs at Princeton University. If he approves the pipeline, he could lose environmentalists in swing states such as North Carolina, where environmentalists stand as a key Democratic swing vote in moderate, suburban areas, he said.

"The president is counting on the fact that environmentalists don't have anywhere else to go in 2012," said Zelizer. "The risk is that they won't do much to help him get re-elected, and that can make a huge difference in key districts."

Nine of the nation's green groups signaled this week that Keystone XL is a political test, writing a letter to the president with the words: "If you block it, you will trigger a surge of enthusiasm from the green base that supported you so strongly in the last election. We expect nothing less." Yesterday, Kenny Bruno of Corporate Ethics International said protesters would not give up and would put their bodies in front of bulldozers and pipes to stop the pipeline if Obama approves it. ....

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Others say that Hansen is unlikely to change the political dynamic, considering that the State Department is set to conclude in a final environmental impact statement that the pipeline has "limited adverse environmental impact," The Washington Post reported yesterday.

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http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2011/08/26/26climatewire-hansen-says-obama-will-be-greenwashing-about-72041.html?scp=3&sq=environmentalists%20and%20obama&st=cse



limited environmental impact?



740,000 Acres of Canada's Boreal Forest (arguably more important for the planet than Brazil's Amazon) are at stake:


Tar Sands and the Carbon Numbers

August 21, 2011

This page opposes the building of a 1,700-mile pipeline called the Keystone XL, which would carry diluted bitumen — an acidic crude oil — from Canada’s Alberta tar sands to the Texas Gulf Coast. We have two main concerns: the risk of oil spills along the pipeline, which would traverse highly sensitive terrain, and the fact that the extraction of petroleum from the tar sands creates far more greenhouse emissions than conventional production does.

The Canadian government insists that it has found ways to reduce those emissions. But a new report from Canada’s environmental ministry shows how great the impact of the tar sands will be in the coming years, even with cleaner production methods.

It projects that Canada will double its current tar sands production over the next decade to more than 1.8 million barrels a day. That rate will mean cutting down some 740,000 acres of boreal forest — a natural carbon reservoir.
Extracting oil from tar sands is also much more complicated than pumping conventional crude oil out of the ground. It requires steam-heating the sands to produce a petroleum slurry, then further dilution.

One result of this process, the ministry says, is that greenhouse gas emissions from the oil and gas sector as a whole will rise by nearly one-third from 2005 to 2020 — even as other sectors are reducing emissions. Canada still hopes to meet the overall target it agreed to at Copenhagen in 2009 — a 17 percent reduction from 2005 levels by 2020. If it falls short, as seems likely, tar sands extraction will bear much of the blame.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/opinion/tar-sands-and...

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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 07:06 PM
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1. You know maybe some of the stuff he does wouldn't be as bad if he'd at least
make a case for why he's doing it. I am so tired of the blatant slaps in the face he keeps producing and he better stop counting on the no where else to go crowd because he'll find himself back in Illinois if he backs too many more people into a corner like this.
WTF!
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 07:25 PM
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4. messaging is not a strong point; and in many cases there is no justificatory rationale
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 07:06 PM
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2. quit drawing these lines of if he approves this or that project
I think Republicans are just using that to try to discourage Democrats.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 07:23 PM
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3. it's Obama who's doing the discouraging
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 10:04 AM
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9. 'Cause the NYT is clearly a tool of the radical right
but they're obviously trying to appear "fringe left" so people on the left will vote for Sarah Palin, amirite?
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 10:47 AM
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13. And they shouldn't be discouraged?

They should be appalled.

So, environmentalists are Republicans too? Under the bus!

Guess when you're a hammer everyting looks like a nail.

Yes, hold the President to nothing because that's all the people get anyway.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 07:44 PM
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5. "don't have anywhere else to go" is possibly winning an election that way
something to be be proud of? :silly: Not being as repulsive as the other guy ... way to go Obama. No I don't have anywhere else to go, that's why Obama better give me a reason to go out and vote. I can always just stay home since I "don't have anywhere else to go".
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 08:44 PM
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7. Cynical and morally bankrupt
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 09:41 AM
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8. Obama is counting on many people not having any place else to go in 2012
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 10:34 AM
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10. He ought not to be counting chickens. nt
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 10:41 AM
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11. With that sort of attitude
Edited on Sat Aug-27-11 10:46 AM by Proud Liberal Dem
Environmentalists might as well give up on every politician b/c there is no purity to be found anywhere IMHO. Is his environmental record better or worse (or the same as) Bush? :shrug:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 03:38 PM
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22. Way to set the bar high on that one
:eyes:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 10:45 AM
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12. He got it wrong again.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 10:50 AM
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14. Obama is right. Environmentalists will vote for him.
Edited on Sat Aug-27-11 10:50 AM by robcon
I don't think any of them will vote for Perry.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 10:56 AM
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15. Or... They May Just Not Vote For ANY Presidential Cabdidate...
Just for local Dems and Greens...

:shrug:
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 11:00 AM
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16. I disagree: the people who won't vote are apathetic. Environmentalists are not apathetic.
There is a huge problem if Rick Perry, who will only appoint anti-abortion Supreme Court justices, gets elected.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 11:07 AM
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17. What an embarrassment, counting on others to vote for you cause
they have 'no place to go in 2012'. :eyes:

Obama ain't very smart politically.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 05:29 PM
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27. It's not an embarassment. It's a smart strategy.
Spend your resources and your promises/claims to gain votes from those who are on the fence about you, and to fend off your opponent who is trying to steal them.

It's not ideological politics... it's 2012 politics. It's politics 101.

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 09:08 PM
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33. Not smart if people decide to stay home and not vote.
Like they did in 2010.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 01:50 PM
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18. Obama Counting on Environmentalists Not Having Any Place to Go in 2012
Environmentalists AND:

*Organized LABOR

*The Working Class

*The Anti-WAR crowd

*The Civil Rights and Equal Protection for ALL crowd

*The Anti-Police State Crowd

*The Cut Military Spending crowd

*The "Fair Trade" crowd

*The "Foreclosed" Millions

*The Unemployed

*The Under Employed

*The "War Criminals & War Profiteers belong in JAIL" crowd

*The Organic Food (Anti-Monsanto) movement

*The "Wall Street Criminals belong in JAIL" crowd

*The supporters of Teachers and Public Schools

*The Decriminalize Marijuana Movement

*The Anti-Private For Profit Prison crowd

*The Medicare/Healthcare for ALL crowd

*The FDR/LBJ Traditional Democratic Values crowd

Who needs those Fringe Left Wackos? :shrug:



Fuck 'Em.
What are they going to do?
Vote for a Republican?
Hahahahahahahahahaha!




You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 01:54 PM
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20. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!
:hi:

:kick:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 03:34 PM
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21. +1000
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 03:40 PM
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23. rec
:banghead:
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 05:20 PM
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25. Excellent post
i do not understand why anyone who considers him or herself intelligent and informed would still support Obama at this point.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 06:04 PM
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28. k/r rec.
:thumbsup:
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 06:08 PM
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29. And I heard he kicks puppies competitively for distance!!!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 01:52 PM
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19. Hillary supports the pipeline and the State Dept cleared it, but Pres O hasn't weighed in yet
... and he has the final say.

From this mis-titled Guardian article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/aug/26/obama-approves-pipeline-alberta-texas

Bill McKibben, who helped organise the protests at the White House, said the approval from the State Department had been expected. The secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, indicated last year that she favoured the pipeline.

"Everyone has known exactly what they would say all along. And everyone knows that they've valiantly ignored the elephant in the room - the fact that this would go a long ways towards opening up the world's second-largest pool of carbon," he wrote in an email.

However, McKibben held out hope that Obama - who still has final authority over the project - might step in to stop the pipeline.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 06:58 PM
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32. Which is why he moved forward this week
with additional drilling in the GoM and the Arctic.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 05:19 PM
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24. One place they/we might not go is the voting booth
horrible choices all around. ugh. we need progressive Dems, or a progressive party or something. i'm not gonna vote for Obama, but i know many who will.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 05:21 PM
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26. How utterly shocking that he would side with corporations.
Right?

:sarcasm:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 06:12 PM
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30. Environmentalists can do what the Unions are doing.
They can keep their time and money and put it behind candidates who represent them. If we are to believe all the excuses we hear, the President has no power anyhow. So our focus should be on changing Congress so drastically that it won't matter who is in the WH.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 06:53 PM
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31. Fuck him. That does it. Totally. We need to find someone to run him out of office.
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