Rut Rho - There may be a problem arising in Libya

[Skip_In_Boulder]

Al-Jazeera has throughout the day been saying that the revolution in Libya may not be going over real well with the countries of the African Union.

They just had someone who was a rep of the Africa Union saying the revolution is the result of the western powers overthrowing the legitimate government of Libya and changed that their is a large involvement of Al-Qaeda behind the rebels.

Al-Jazeera also alluded to earlier today that the African Union may be considering sending fighters to Libya. Seems that Momar is an O.K. guy in their book.

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

On Edit: More information here.

AU defers decision on common Libya position

The organ responsible for enforcing African Union decisions on Monday failed to agree on a common position on Libya and instead called a leader's summit on Friday to thrash out the issue.

{snip}

Sticking points

One of the sticking points has been the fact that Libya funded a major part of the AU's budget and the bloc feels beholden to him.

http://www.africareview.com/News/-/979180/1223454/-/h7f6nhz/-/

[Dreamer Tatum]

1. You mean....mission NOT accomplished? nt

[ixion]

2. "Seems that Momar is an O.K. guy in their book. " or...

perhaps they're just doing the same damn thing as NATO.

[TheWraith]

8. Supporting a violent dictator versus opposing one? Yeah, same thing, I'm sure. nt

[ixion]

14. so you can GUARANTEE that a dictator will not replace Gaddafi?

Wow, look at you, all clairvoyant and all. :eyes:

[TheWraith]

20. So you can GUARANTEE that one WILL?

I'm not the one who's trying to predict the future here, apparently.

[ixion]

29. "Supporting a violent dictator versus opposing one"

Since there is no "opposing one" yet, you're making the prediction that this new leader will not be a dictator.

[indurancevile]

30. In power 40 years & thus far not succeeded in "killing all his people".

Demographics of Libya, Data of FAO, year 2006; Number of inhabitants in thousands. to see the latest information, please visit this official site: http://www.gait.gov.ly/info/info2.htm


The US government gets pretty violent with "rebels" too.

[sabrina 1]

33. And the West didn't support a 'violent dictator'??

They hypocrisy is stunning. We are currently supporting several 'violent dictators' fyi and up to the point where Qadaffi was threatening to cut the oil profits for the Western Oil Cartels, he was being treated like royalty by Western powers.

We are there for the oil. Just like Iraq.

Btw, did you oppose the support the US and Europe were giving Libya throughout the past five years or so? I know I did not, but then to say so was to risk being called 'anti-Bush' when Repubs were doing it, and anti-Obama when Dems were in charge.

How about we just take a position on principles and stick to it, instead of jumping from one principle to another depending on which team is in charge?

How do you feel about our support for Karamov of Uzbekistan right now? I'd like to get people on the record regarding our support for Dictators as it gets so confusing at times.

[TrainToCry]

3. Is Moammar ok in your book? Sounds that way.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

5. Pray tell how did you manage to arrive at that conclusion?

[Electric Monk]

If you think the war in Iraq is a bad idea, you must be a Saddam lover.

It's the same "logic", I think.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

13. Oh, One of those. n/t

[ixion]

16. Yep. DU is thick with'em these days.

it's very sad.

[Lint Head]

4. Here we go. Nato battling African nations.

[Pirate Smile]

6. Yeah, Gaddafi's gave them a lot of money. They wont be happy that he is gone.

Frankly, too fricken bad. You aligned yourself with a crazy madman. Excuse the Libyan people if they didn't think it was awesome.

[dtexdem]

7. No, there may be a problem arising with the African Union.

Not in Libya.

The problems in Libya are numerous, but this is not one of them.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

22. Perhaps I should have said

A problem arising over Libya.

[kenny blankenship]

9. Ridiculous comments from the organization of dictators and despots.

[louis-t]

10. In other news, Qaddafi is still in a heating duct somewhere....

claiming he's in control. And Generalissimo Fransisco Franco is still dead.

[gateley]

11. I heard today that Nigeria, I think, called on Gaddafi to give

it up and recognized the transitional party. I think other countries have done the same. I'd better go look up who is in the African Union -- could be predictable, posturing reaction, like predicable, posturing Republican reaction to anything Obama says or does.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

15. Yeah there have been several countries now

that are recognizing the NTC as the legitimate government of Libya but the AU seems they may be going the other way.

[gateley]

21. I wonder why they'd support someone who gasping his last?

I know, $$$ probably, but the majority of the world is on the side of the Rebels. You'd think it wouldn't be politically wise to piss off the world, although that didn't seem to be a concern for Bush and Cheney. :shrug:

[Skip_In_Boulder]

23. Yeah, see my update on my OP

Seems Mo has been greasing them for some time. Probably for such a situation as he finds himself in now. We'll just have to wait and see how it works out but I do find it concerning. Just what we need now a regional war in Africa. But with each passing day it seems like a lot of the world is rising up against their governments.

[gateley]

26. Thanks -- will head on back up to the OP. They were saying

that the tunnel system under his compound indicated he thought such a day might come. There is cause for concern, I agree. But wow - it's like a wave spreading across the globe, people taking their countries back! Amazing time in history. And one gives the other hope, then the next one... :thumbsup:

[Skip_In_Boulder]

28. Yes this is the implementation of globalization

and we have talked for years that this could be very traumatic.

[Warpy]

12. That's been Fearless Leader's line o crap from the beginning

that the people were too stupid to do this on their own, that there had to be "outside agitators" leading them on. It's exactly the same insulting rhetoric I heard back in the early 60s when I was a civil rights creep in the south, black folks being too dumb to do anything unless Yankees were riling them up.

Fearless Leader has provided employment and military training for every despot in Africa for decades. Of course they're damned grateful to the man.

However, this rebellion is home grown, even if it is getting some outside help to even the odds. All the despots are going to have to face that uncomfortable fact plus the fact that they, too, are now at risk as revolution continues to be exported as soon as it's successful.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

18. Revolution does seem to be becoming

all the rage throughout the area these days.

[gateley]

17. Members of the African Union:

Algeria
Angola
Benin
Botswana
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cameroon
Cape Verde
Central African Republic
Chad
Comoros
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Republic of the Congo
Côte d'Ivoire
Djibouti
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea

Ethiopia
Gabon
Gambia
Ghana
Guinea-Bissau
Guinea
Kenya
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Mali
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mozambique
Namibia
Niger
Nigeria

Rwanda
Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic
São Tomé and Príncipe
Senegal
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Somalia
South Africa
South Sudan
Sudan
Swaziland
Tanzania
Togo
Tunisia
Uganda
Zambia
Zimbabwe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union

[Skip_In_Boulder]

19. That's a lot of folks, thanks for posting. n/t

[gateley]

24. I know! There are plenty I've never heard of! nt

[LanternWaste]

25. delete. outdated source.

delete. outdated source.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

27. Hmmm, interesting.

So have the changed their mind for some reason. Like they say, this is a very fluid situation in Libya, I just hope they go with this previous position as opposed to what they seem to be saying now. A regional conflict in Africa could be a very bad situation.

[blindpig]

34. Western imperialism is very bad.

No 'could be' about it.

[Canuckistanian]

31. Here's a solution - have an election

We'll see just how "legitimate" Qaddafi's government really is.

[TBF]

32. History tells us that where there is oil - there will be uprisings.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1626751,00.html

[okieinpain]

35. yet another lol posting. n/t.

[bvar22]

36. Gaddafi WAS a strong Pan-African. Thats a fact.

He believed that African Resources belonged to Africans,
and NOT to the Global Corporations, the Global Banks,
or The G-8. He had a very negative of the IMF's Predatory "Lenders".

”Gaddafi is the perfect villain for this Anglo-French-American farce unworthy of French playwright Georges Feydeau. For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html

Anyone who has read Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine would have serious questions about the USA Military support for the ill-defined "Rebels".

Anyone even remotely aware of the US Military Involvements in the Middle east over the last 50 years
should have serious questions about the US Military Involvement in Libya.


What We Know


Remember the buildup to the Invasion of Iraq?
Remember the Evil Dictator Saddam?
How did THAT one work out?
The Global Oil Corporations now OWN the Iraqi Oil Fields,
and Iraq has been turned into a Free Market HELL.


They didn't even change the marketing for the New WAR in Libya.
They just scratched out "Saddam", and wrote in "Gaddafi".
How soon some choose to forget.

If you're not FOR the New OIL WAR in Libya,
you're WITH The Communists AlQaeda The Terrorists Saddam Qaddafi!!!

[Starry Messenger]

37. +1000