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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:01 PM
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The Emergence of Rockefeller Democrats
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 07:08 PM by Ozymanithrax
Rockefeller Republican refers to a faction of the United States Republican Party that held moderate to liberal views similar to those of Nelson Rockefeller. They believed a woman has a right to chose … which banker she gives her money to. Heaven help her if she thinks that once she’s given them her money that it is hers in any substantial way. They believed in equality of race … being blind to all colors but green. They exist primarily today as Logcabin conservatives. They were dominated by the idea that wealth was the most important aspect of our society, and Bankers were their natural allies.

They predominated in the Northeast, but while this group survived in the wilds of Wall Street, they made inroads in the West and could be found in numbers almost anywhere but the South where Social Conservatives dominate to this day.

Social Conservatives, however, now dominate the Republican party and are in conflict with Fringe Conservatives, inheritors of the John Birch Society, for the nasty little fragment they call its soul.

Beginning with Clinton, the Democratic party has come to be dominated by what I call Rockefeller Democrats. Some call the DLC and others Conservadems. Bill Clinton, that Social Liberal Fiscal conservative was their first great success. A man of relatively modest means before entering the White House, he has gained great wealth and now is quite at home in the house of the Wealthy.

President Obama, a man himself of some wealth, is their second great success. His fiscal policies show where his true loyalties lie. He champions Conservative solutions to our greatest problems. Obamcare is nothing more than Romneycare and the mandate is a creation of the heritage foundation. His solutions to health care is driven by the market place not human need. His solution to the economic crash was to circle the Federal Wagons around the banks. There has been no substantive attempt to seek out the power brokers and the money men who came close to destroying the world economy. In fact, he yook Bush’s economic policies and made them his own, including extending the disastrous Bush Tax cuts. Finally, Obama’s great champions is not FDR, Truman, Kennedy or Johnson, but Reagan.

It is clear that Rockefeller Democrats have taken control of the reins of power in the Democratic party. Now that we face a very critical election, we are forced to decide if we want a rabid social conservative Republican beholden only to the Teaparty and rightwing church or a centrist fiscal conservative beholden to the banks calling himself a Democrat. If we reject the fiscal conservative Rockefeller Democrat, there are real consequences. We remember Bush, and the current crop of Social Conservatives are revolutionaries no where near as gentle as Bush who want to transform the country, to a remake a golden age that never existed except in their own rabid fantasies.

As liberals, we are faced with what several hosts on MSNBC have said as having nowhere else to go, because the Obama Administration sees their road back to the White House in appealing to moderate centrist independents. There is no hint that a real liberal or real progressive will take up the challenge of primarying a sitting Democratic President, as it is likely to be political suicide. What good they do where they are will be lost. So far, no liberal or Conservative who lost his job in the House or Senate has come forward to primary and face the same political suicide.

Those of use with nowhere else to go sit out here on the left and consider our options, support another conservative Rockefeller Democrat, or go rogue and try to build something new. I haven’t made up my mind yet, but my options open and I’m looking for liberal.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:05 PM
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1. It now makes sense that there's so much contempt for "the left" here.
"The Left" is often used as a pejorative on DU, which has been mystifying, but seeing it through this lens, it makes sense.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:11 PM
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2. I am not sure why it is sensible to have contempt for the left...
The left created the great programs that most Democrats and Republicans take for granted. No Conservative, not even a fiscal conservative, would ever consider something like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. The middle class in America was created because the left stood up and made it possible. it has been the demonetization (call it contempt) that encourages the destruction of the basis of our values that put people first.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:21 PM
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3. You answered your own question - people take the programs for granted
Nowhere in the mainstream public political discourse during my fiftyplus years has anyone of significance attributed any positive aspect of America to liberals. That's a secret that only exists in the progressive and academic universes, so of course, when DLCers come to DU thinking they are actually Democrats, they encounter, firsthand, all this progressive stuff that's been ridiculed in the media since the sixties. Since they don't encounter it anywhere else, why would they expect to take it seriously here?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:21 PM
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8. The seems obvious that the third wayers are wanting to demonize the left
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 08:25 PM by myrna minx
to marginalize us because we stand in the way of the goals of the highly profitable neo-con foreign policy and neo-liberal Milton Friedman economics. There's no room for we, the great unwashed in this scheme except in a neo-feudal capacity.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:36 PM
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4. Best case scenario: Obama declares not candidate by September.
I think a fresh Democrat would have a better chance.

I'm left of anyone in Congress (not hard) and I'm not afraid.

--imm
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:46 PM
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5.  Clinton and Obama are Reagan Democrats, not Rockefeller Democrats.
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 07:47 PM by provis99
Rockefeller would be a communist to their DLC-loving eyes.

Heck, even Reagan was more left wing than Obama; he never tried to attack Social Security and Medicare the way the Third Way Democrats are.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 07:53 PM
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6. It won't catch on. "Rockefeller" connotes wealth, but Nelson was a Moderate.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:59 PM
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12. Alas that is the point... the party was taken over
(not the first time either, historically) by the moderates who were kicked out from the other party as it went to the far right. The Democratic Party is now a center right party and the Republicans are a FAR RIGHT party... and it is time we wise up to it.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:10 PM
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7. Emergence?
:rofl:

That's good!

Oh, BTW, they're know as the turd way now.

-Hoot
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:22 PM
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9. they are in control now.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:31 PM
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10. I reject both poor choices. I will not stay on any party plantation.
I will vote for and donate to those that share my values or I will vote for and donate to no one.

IBTL
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:31 PM
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11. For some reason I thought of the Rockefellers today
K&R
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MFrohike Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:20 PM
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13. Not bad
I would go with the phrase "Clinton Democrats." It's a mix of social liberalism and fiscal conservatism, which is a pretty fair assessment of Bill Clinton.
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