Bears are eating me - cell phone calls from daughter to mother Siberia - warning graphic text

[RamboLiberal]

A DISTRAUGHT mother listened on a mobile phone as her teenage daughter was eaten alive by a brown bear and its three cubs.

Olga Moskalyova, 19, gave an horrific hour-long running commentary on her own death in three separate calls as the wild animals killed her.

She screamed: “Mum, the bear is eating me! Mum, it’s such agony. Mum, help!’”

Her mother Tatiana said that at first thought she was joking. “But then I heard the real horror and pain in Olga’s voice, and the sounds of a bear growling and chewing.”

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/265455/Bear-s-eating-me-girl-told-

That is one of the most horrible accounts I've ever read!

[hlthe2b]

1. That poor mother will be haunted for life from that phone call

At least she got to say goodbye, i suppose, but how horrific!

[trayfoot]

2. How horrible!

[XanaDUer]

3. Please tell me this story isn't true

:puke:

[KurtNYC]

98. It is far from true

but I find it fascinating that animals are still fodder for these kinds of myths. Animal myths have been popular since before Romulus and Remus were raised by a wolf in the hills of Rome. And during the last 100 years they have been hybridized with the hot technology toy of the day, in this case a cell phone. During WWII a myth was created about a boy being raised by gazelle in the Syrian desert. Allegedly the boy could run as fast as the gazelle and was only rescued when AN ARMY JEEP was used to pursue him. Perhaps the technology makes it more believable and freshens the genre.

And of course, the Russians love any story with a bear in it.

A good list in wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child

[nomb]

104. It is true. Here is a picture of the 19 year old girl and her stepfather - in the woods

[Inspired]

4. Oh GOD...what a horrific story! I can't even..............n/t

[Toucano]

5. what an incredible story!

I'm not sure I buy it. It's hard to believe that "fight or flight" survival mechanisms could shut down and allow for the girl to chat on the phone.

Maybe if a person were paralyzed and couldnt fight back, but then how could one chat on the phone?

Pretty tragic all around either way, though.

[tammywammy]

6. That's just horrific. Just awful. n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

7. Shame they killed the bears....

...the bears were just doing what bears do.

[Drahthaardogs]

8. The bears needed to die.

They were a danger to humans and now saw human beings as prey, which is not natural for brown bears. Black bears, yes, brown bears no.

[Joe the Revelator]

12. This isn't a horror movie...the bears aren't going to go crazy with a human blood lust.

[Drahthaardogs]

22. You are so wrong.

It is obvious you have little to no real experience with brownies. I bet you have never even seen one outside of a zoo or on tv, let alone been in a situation where your actions or reactions were going to determine if a bear-man conflict was going to turn out good or bad. A brownie who is hunting and killing humans is a bad bad bear, this is not normal brown bear behavior. Black bears, yes, it is semi-normal. However, brown bears are as big as a hereford bull, most blackies are about 150 lbs.

[Joe the Revelator]

28. Ok, brownie or blackie aside....how am I wrong?

Do bears become murderers?

[Drahthaardogs]

31. I am not going to sit her and explain bear ethology to you.

Get a few books, Scott McMillen is a good place to start. Yes, bears are opportunist, just like dogs, wolves, and anything else. Once they figure out humans = easy meal, it is time to die.

[Joe the Revelator]

33. Come on now. You've positioned yourself as the bear authority and told me I'm wrong....

...don't use the " I'm not here to teach you!" cop out.

[Drahthaardogs]

36. I have already given you a good source, and explained to you what normal behavior is and is not.

I guess send me your mailing address and I can send you some research papers, my bear safety training videos from work (yes, I have those), and the phone number to the Alaska State Troopers out of Fairbanks. I am not sure what else you want, other than to prove you are right when it is obvious you are wrong.

[Joe the Revelator]

43. All I've asked you is how am I wrong when say bears don't murder or kill based on emotions....

....all you've done is try to show me how smart you are after I asked you to explain to me how I'm wrong.


When you tell someone they are wrong, it's not unreasonable for that person to ask " why". It is unreasonable to then start posting your bona fides and nothing of substance.

[uppityperson]

61. Who is saying they kill based on emotions? They kill for food.

Is your reason for this subthread because someone said they were bad bad bears? And you are now anthropomorphizing?

[Joe the Revelator]

89. My reason for the subthread was that the bear and its 3 cubs were killed

for no greater transgression than killing a human who wandered into it's ecosystem. How is that anthropomorphizing?

[uppityperson]

58. They can and have learned to hunt and eat people. They aren't "murderers" since that is a legal term

applied to people. But yes, they can and have hunted, killed, and eaten people.

[tabasco]

Are you claiming it's normal behavior for black bears to hunt humans?

That's not true.

[Joe the Revelator]

90. I'm claiming that a hungry bear, like any other carnivore, is going to eat prey of opportunity

[cliffordu]

49. ....and another complete misunderstanding of bears.

libraries used to be good places to read the fax....uh, facts......

Maybe you should try one!!!

[Joe the Revelator]

91. So you're telling me that bears are capable of emotional killing and blood lust?

[sabo_tabby]

48. It's because your premise is flawed...

Your premise, "Bear eats humans, therefore bear needs to die," presupposes an inherent value of humans that does not exist in bears.

If you accept the thinking that "some animals are more equal than others" I suppose your point is unarguable; however, the ecosystem does not see things that way.

[jeff47]

85. The issue is before the bears considered humans

to be noisy, smelly weird things. Bears, like most wild animals, will normally avoid noisy, smelly weird things because they don't understand them. Things not understood are kind of scary when you're an animal.

These bears learned that humans are also food. Food isn't scary.

So while these bears were just having a meal, the result is a danger to the remaining humans.

[sabo_tabby]

86. And how does that render the bear worthy of death?

You haven't addressed the question of the value of the bear to the ecosystem vs. the value of the human.

I submit that the absence of the bear will have a greater impact on the ecosystem than the absence of the human.

(presuming this story isn't a complete fabrication)

[MicaelS]

117. I see little empathy for human beings in your posts....

The next time you, or others that share your attitude, question why Democrats lose elections, you can refer back to your posts. Or simply look in the mirror.

:grr: :puke:

[jeff47]

120. So how many more humans should be killed to save the bear?

Just trying to figure out where the balance is. Does it have to be 5 people? 20?

Is there an age factor? If the bear eats children, is that suddenly not OK? Whereas if it's just eating the elderly and infirm that's ok?

[deaniac21]

105. I live in a area full of black bears. Even when they have cubs

they run from humans. The Game and Fish officers that relocate bears that become a nuisance (tearing up trash cans and such) say that when they capture cubs the mother usually just hides and whimpers.

[Name removed]

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[yawnmaster]

9. LOL shame we wiped out small pox. The virus was just doing what a virus does. eom

[Joe the Revelator]

11. So we should wipe out all bears....and tigers, and sharks,and lions, and....

....just all carnivores?

[Drahthaardogs]

15. I have lived in grizzly and brown bear country for most of my life.

Brown bears are all about salmon, not about hunting people. When a bear, for whatever reason, starts to see humans as a food source, the bear needs to die. It is, at that point, a public danger to any and all. Usually, in a brown bear attack, the bear attacks, neutralizes the threat, then goes away. The fact that the bear came back to eat her, is disturbing. Brown bears don't usually do things like this.

[Joe the Revelator]

21. What's the explanation then?

I don't believe in murderous animals. I believe in hungry animals that have few options and will eat what's available to survive.

[Drahthaardogs]

26. Who knows?

The bear could have been sick, had bad teeth, been old, injured, just beaten off of a good hold by a larger bear...hard to say without a necropsy of the bear. For her to kill one man, chase down the girl, maul her, and then go back for her cubs, that is not normal bear behavior. This bear needed to die, period.

[Joe the Revelator]

30. Well reading the article is helpful in this type of situation....

....it says that the bear's normal food source has been depleted due to human encroachment. Again, I find it hard to believe that these bears were especially dangerous then any other bear in that region, due to the lack of food.. Would you be cool with killing ALL the bears in that section of Siberia?

[sabo_tabby]

35. What this says is humans need to go away...

The bear wouldn't do this if the human wasn't encroaching in its habitat.

We always look at the issue from the point of view of humans, but never from the animals' point of view.

Killing a bear as punishment for being a bear is no different from lynching an African American for being black.

The ecosystem will not note the loss of the female, but the imbalance to the ecosystem from the needless loss of the bear will be felt.

[Drahthaardogs]

39. IT's Freaking SIBERIA!

Humans have been there for 10,000 years, and not too many of them. It's not like a guy got mauled in downtown Aspen or Telluride.

[sabo_tabby]

42. Bears have been around alot longer...

Just because we have guns and fences doesn't mean that Nature recognizes our claim of title.

[ZombieHorde]

94. What is nature? nt

[sabo_tabby]

101. Lots of things, but I know what it ain't...

o Burger Kings
o Nuke Plants
o Factories
o Paved Roads
o Sprawl
o Superfund Sites
o Factory Farms
o Veal-Fattening Pens
o Abbatoirs
o Clear-Cuts
o Slash-and-Burn
o Tanks, Guns, etc.
o So On And So Forth, ad nauseam, world without end, amen.

It's just as well for humans that animals don't know how to cooperate and resist meaningfully.

We are a blight. The ecosystem will recover when we are gone, provided we don't burn the planet to a cinder first. And yes, I've taken steps to ensure MY carbon footprint ends with ME.

[yawnmaster]

112. All of those things are human and therefore nature. We are part of nature...

like it or not. You may hate humans but we are still part of nature.
We migrate and take over environments. That is natural for man as it is for many other species.

[uppityperson]

They don't kill the bear for punishment but to keep it from doing this again. Bears do learn

about food sources.

[demwing]

16. You're entitled to your opinion, of course

but this just seems like the kind of opinion you might wish to keep private, unless you were looking to push our buttons.

Why on earth did you feel you had to share this?

[Joe the Revelator]

20. I don't think it's that controversial of an opinion. I support animal rights pretty much

Unilaterally. These folks, sad as the situation is, encroached into bear country and the bears did what hungry bears do. The bears don't see that as being wrong and they're not blood thirsty. They didn't kill these people because they hated them. So what was the point of killing a bear and a couple of cubs?

[demwing]

23. Its not the content of your opinion

its the judgment you displayed expressing your opinion in this thread

Timing...

[Joe the Revelator]

25. Did we know these people?

It's a discussion board.....let's discuss. :)

[demwing]

37. like I said, I'm not opposed to the content

If you had started a thread saying you thought it was a shame to kill animald that attack people, that may have made good debate.

But to respond to the death of a young girl and her father with a "Poor Bears" post... it's a little insensitive.

Do we have to know the people before we feel epathy?

[Joe the Revelator]

41. Can we not feel empathy for both the people and the animals who were needlessly killed?

It's not mutually exclusive. My comment about knowing them comes from what harm is there in having this conversation here?

[Drahthaardogs]

27. But that is exactly my point

These bears DID NOT do what brown bears do. This is almost unheard of behavior in brown bears.

[Joe the Revelator]

32. If a brown bears food source is depleted...what does it do?

My uninformed answer is that it eats anything in order to survive. That is normal bear behavior. ( in my uninformed opinion)

[uppityperson]

64. "in my uninformed opinion". THANK you for writing that. Makes what you write make more sense. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

92. Lots of bear experts around here....

funny they all rely on pithy attacks and proving how smart they are instead of actually adding anything to the conversation.....

[yawnmaster]

114. When a brown bear's food source is depleted and it starts attacking humans, you kill it...

Humans have migrated into the area (that is natural for humans) and bears in the area behaving this way need to be killed.

[uppityperson]

63. Why kill them? Is this a trick question? Because they have learned humans are prey.

Because there is a likelihood that they will continue to prey on humans.

[yawnmaster]

109. Not all. Just some in certain situations...

for instance,
those that endanger me or my family in my environment. yes. MY environment. I am human and migrate into other environments.
I become the alpha mammal. I make my environment safe.

[sabo_tabby]

38. "The Population Bomb" wouldn't have needed to be written...

If we had a better sense of - and accepted - our place in nature. Those "diseases" are/were there for a reason.

[sakabatou]

13. Man-eaters, I believe, are shot on sight

[kayakjohnny]

14. Your revelating is a little off tonight,

Joe.

[Joe the Revelator]

24. You boat looks like a kayak

Johnny.

:)

[and-justice-for-all]

44. Exact;ly....

That is why I will not swim in the ocean, because sharks will do what sharks do. Killing these predators is unfathomable to me, I am going into their territory.

[flvegan]

81. I see you've met the

DU knee-jerk hateful collective.

Logic lost, running forward...yeah, that.

[stuntcat]

96. yah, the

the whole story is just sad. I'm sorry for her parents.. and the cubs.

In a few decades those bears could be extinct so happy humanity can wander into the wild on their phones in no danger :cry:

[Zax2me]

10. Oh, man. Sometimes I wish I didn't read the news.

So sad.

[seabeyond]

34. that was my exact feeling. nt

[derby378]

17. No words...

All I can think of now is the unreleased tape of Timothy Treadwell's death, killed by the bears that he so loved and admired. The tape was given to his mother with the exhortation to destroy it without listening to it.

:cry:

[Drahthaardogs]

124. Timothy Treadwell was no hero!

What he did was ridiculous, dangerous, and pisses most Alaskans off like you would not believe. I am sorry he died the way that he did, but his behavior was inexcusable. Pulling crap like pitching his tent on bear trails, you don't do stuff like that ...he was asking to die, and he got it. Two bears were destroyed because of his recklessness. This is nothing like the case of Mr. Treadwell.

[EFerrari]

18. I don't believe this story. Did you check for other sources?

[Prometheus Bound]

29. Hour long? Three calls? Really, really hard to believe.

[EFerrari]

45. Are you going to make a phone call while a bear is chewing on you?

No, you're going to be in shock.

[Desertrose]

46. Wouldn't you call some else for HELP?

Bizarre.



ETA...if this is true...OMG. What a horrible way to go!!!!
Guess you are not exactly thinking too clearly while being mauled.... :(

[EFerrari]

50. At that point, you'd be beyond help.

Beyond being able to dial or maybe even speak. :shrug:

[cwydro]

62. This whole thing is bullshit.

IF there was a bear attack of this person...she sure didn't make three phone calls to her mother during the attack.

[Change has come]

78. No way.

The minute she moved, the bear would have finished the attack.

[GreenPartyVoter]

103. You would think the bear might have broken her neck too, or that she would have bled out. I hope

that's what really happened. :(

[chrisa]

47. I agree.

[cwydro]

68. This is the same paper

that claimed Muslims were going to kill the Pope, that Madeline McCann's parents killed her and that Diana was murdered by a conspiracy.

Unbelievable that DUers believe this crap...or that one would post it.

[TorchTheWitch]

76. It's completely ludicrous

While I believe that these two people may have been attacked and killed by a bear the phone call (THREE of them no less!) nonsense is just laughable.

[Shagbark Hickory]

19. Fucking bears. Someone ought to capture and bbq their asses.

[EFerrari]

53. SH, did you ever hear of band by that name?

[Shagbark Hickory]

54. No. Are they any good?

[EFerrari]

55. They were a hugely popular blue grass +++ band in the SF Bay Area

in the late 70s/ early 80s, iirc.

[Shagbark Hickory]

75. Ohhhh... *Those* kinds of bears?

[EFerrari]

95. No, lol, that kind of Shagbark Hickory. n/t

[JI7]

40. i hope this is a fake story

[Marr]

51. This story is fake.

Putting aside the unbelievability of a person even having the time and physical ability to make one phone call during a violent bear attack (let along three)...

How did the detail of the mother bear 'grabbing her by the leg as she was about to escape' come to us? Did one of the bears tell the people who arrived later?

[cwydro]

60. For sure it is fake.

Tabloid newspaper in the UK.

Like News of the World. Same ilk.

Three separate phone calls while being mauled by a bear?

[uppityperson]

67. I found a couple more new stories about it..... Olga probably told her mom about getting grabbed

by her leg. Sounds like the bear attacked, left, came back, left, came back. This would leave her time to make the calls.

Look like articles are from same original source, though could be different.
http://www.news.com.au/world/help-mum-the-bear-is-eating-me-teens-desperate-000-call/story-e6frfkyi-1226117176758
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/girl-under-bear-attack-calls-mum-before-dying-127232
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/10063482/teen-calls-mum-as-bears-eat-her/

[smokey nj]

69. The stories at all three of those links use the Daily Express article as their source.

The first link is the article in the OP verbatim.

[uppityperson]

70. I know, slight changes. Doesn't mean it isn't true, but could be so remote

that hasn't been picked up yet. Or it could be fake.

[smokey nj]

71. I hope it's fake.

:(

[cwydro]

72. Bullshit tabloid paper...

but hey, if you wanna believe it, go ahead...but you might want to google that paper by name lol.

[cwydro]

52. Not sure about this UK paper...

this just sounds a little odd...continued phone calls as a bear eats you?

[Yo_Mama]

56. Nothing odd about it at all

http://www.adn.com/2010/06/24/1339528/alaska-geologist-survives-2-attacks.html
Only difference is this was a hunting attack, not an aggression attack. That guy would not have survived if the bear had been hungry.

Bear attacks have been on the rise in Russia; this is from 2008:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/24/a-bear-menace-in-russia-where-they-are-revered/

They've had more attacks on cattle this year in Tomsk:
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/20-07-2011/118548-Bear_attacks_on_cattle_proliferating_in_Siberia-0/

[cwydro]

57. I don't think a bear attack is odd.

But I think calling someone THREE times as one is being eaten by a bear is odd.

I wouldn't even use my cell phone if I was being attacked by fire ants ( a painful, frantic business if you've never had the pleasure)...I would be too busy defending myself.

I mean this woman is DIALING her phone?

Or even hitting speed dial and then TALKING...meaning one hand is busy with the phone while a bear is mauling her?? Wtf?

[uppityperson]

73. Bear attacks, then leaves. then comes back. then leaves again. then comes back

A bear is not necessarily going chomp chomp chomp the whole time the attack is happening. Esp if it has another carcass and cubs to monitor.

I think it's odd also, but can see how it could happen.

[anneboleyn]

82. Colbert has been on to the bear uprising for years! If a bear chews in Siberia and a cell phone..

is there to "hear" it, then it *must* have happened...

I agree with your post of course -- the paper is a tabloid in the U.K. and various forms of the "animal attacks!" storyline are quite popular -- (and nobody sits there holding a cell phone while narrating a prolonged bear attack).

[cwydro]

59. Tabloid UK paper.

Same group publishes the STAR.

Paid out quite a bit in libel damages in recent years.

[anneboleyn]

83. "Wasps Kill Granny;" "Jack the Ripper Revealed as a Scotland Yard Officer"

Popular recent stories in this tabloid. Not exactly The New York Times.

[smirkymonkey]

88. Actually, "Wasps Kill Granny" is most likely true. I read it in the

UK Guardian this morning. She died of cardiac arrest.

[undeterred]

65. I heard she was really eaten by a pit bull and its 3 puppies.

:hide:

[cwydro]

66. Bwahaha!

Excellent!

[uppityperson]

74. I read it was a ladder and 3 foot stools.

Or would that be an over protective parent and her 3 home schoolers?

[anneboleyn]

80. I heard it was a capybara and its three giant rodent babies!

http://news.yahoo.com/giant-south-american-rodent-spotted-california-015314303.html

The 100 plus pound rodent lives in South America. One was recently spotted in California.

[hulka38]

77. Come on dude!

[burrowowl]

79. OMG!

[MilesColtrane]

84. Why, oh why did I click on this story?

:(

[snooper2]

97. It's made up, make believe stories bother you?

:shrug:

[Raine]

87. I don't believe this for a minute

the girl susposedly makes 3 phone calls an spends and hour screaming that she's being eaten alive by bears. When people get there after an hour she's breathing her last as the bear devours her. :wow: Seems like she would've been dead long before that from shock and loss of blood.

[Township75]

93. I don't know about this. I'm having difficulty believing it becuase...

this girl is in the middle of no where and using a mobile phone????

Here is a link to the closest town she was near:
<iframe width="425" height="350" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" src="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Termalniy+russia&aq=&sll=38.065392,-95.712891&sspn=47.417268,78.662109&vpsrc=6&ie=UTF8&ll=38.065392,-95.712891&spn=0.074402,0.153637&z=13&output=embed"></iframe><br /><small><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=embed&hl=en&geocode=&q=Termalniy+russia&aq=&sll=38.065392,-95.712891&sspn=47.417268,78.662109&vpsrc=6&ie=UTF8&ll=38.065392,-95.712891&spn=0.074402,0.153637&z=13" style="color:#0000FF;text-align:left">View Larger Map</a></small>

It doesn't seem like a place pouring over with cell towers. Unless the mobile phone meant satellite phone, this is difficult for me to believe.

[KurtNYC]

99. That guy from the commercials got in that bear den and tested it "Can you hear me NOW? ...OW! OW!"

.... Ooow...

[Raschel]

100. Who says "mum" in Siberia?

[GreenPartyVoter]

102. Oh, dear God! *sobs* I really hope this is fake. I can't imagine.

[Veruca Salt]

106. One thing I learned long ago on family trips to our remote cabin in VT

was that the creatures outside the cabin walls can and will eat you so even if you're just heading out to the outhouse: bring a gun.

This is the one and only case I've ever had use for them. Other than that, I hate guns (don't own any personally) but you won't catch me wandering around in the wild without a proper rifle.

[Lucian]

107. Haha.

This is so fake. Lol

[nomb]

108. That's a cold heart you have there. No source yet has called it fake.

[cwydro]

116. What do you mean no source has called it fake lol?

News Of The World said Hillary met aliens..but no one called it fake. Why would anyone bother? Anyone with a brain...oh never mind.

This is a TABLOID paper!...They have stories like this all the time. Amazed at so many DUers believing this crap.

Do you believe Star and News of the World too?

Must be traumatic for you in the supermarket line. Lmao.

[Lucian]

118. It's in a tabloid.

If you believe this, I have alien urine to sell you.

[nomb]

119. It's a UK middle market Fleet street paper, it is neither a US supermarket tabloid nor the NYT's.

And the story is worldwide now in all languages.

[Lucian]

121. Well, I saw a story on MSNBC.com a few weeks ago...

and they were talking about UFOs flying over some city and asking if it was aliens.

Just because a story is in the MSM doesn't make it truthful.

[cwydro]

122. It's a tabloid.

Do some research.

They've had to pay out big bucks for their fake "stories" in the past.

But hey, if you want to believe a person can make THREE separate phone calls while being eaten by a bear, well you go right ahead and believe it.

Now I know who buys all these rags.

The story being worldwide in all languages means nothing...ever heard of the internet?

I'm going to have to hide this thread now, because I am truly amazed at the DUers who believe it.

Enjoy! And did you know the moon is made of Stilton cheese?

[meow mix]

111. uh.. i am not believing this one

who has the ability to make a phone call instead of going into shock or something.

oh dang, hold on there while your crunching my leg off.. i need to relay this info over my phone. and update my facebook status to "dinner"
in a couple days they'll find her hiding in a balloon

[Liberal In Texas]

113. C'mon Snopes, get the lead out. This has "Urgan Legend" or HOAX written

all over it.

[uppityperson]

126. I checked yesterday then sent it to them.

[Liberal_in_LA]

115. horrifying.

[RagAss]

123. Bullshit....!

[librechik]

125. An acquaintance of mine was eaten by a bear a few years back here in Colorado.

Apparently he emptied his .22 pistol into the bear which was not significantly damaged. The bear returned and devoured my poor friend over the course of a few days. They found his head in the bear's stomach. It happens. He didn't have a cell phone.