Did Schumer really say that "we" (DNC) "have a crazy wing to our party, too,

[Peregrine Took]

i.e the far left, but, unlike the rethugs with their tea baggers, we don't listen to them or pay any attention to them." (paraphrasing but these were his sentiments.)

He, supposedly said it on a talk show within the last few weeks.

As a lifelong Democrat I find this highly offensive.

If they acknowledge not listening to me and my positions - why should I give a ff as to what happens to them?

I survived ok under Reagan and the Bushes.

Regarding the Supreme Court scare, they have the 5-4 majority now anyway.

[emulatorloo]

1. So you are mad because you heard he "supposedly" said something on a talk show?

Hate to say this, but it sounds a bit like those teabaggers in Iowa yesterday claiming Janet Napolitano called the tea party terrorists.

[polmaven]

11. And mad enough

to punish all of us because s/he "survived" alright under Reagan and the Bushes, so it doesn't really matter is the Republicans win...it will apparently serve SCHUMER right! The HELL with the rest of us! :crazy:

[nc4bo]

2. Edit - sorry missed where you said you saw it on tv.

I'm so sorry that our Party was taken over by these types of people.

[SusanaMontana41]

3. Schumer also wanted a "no riding" list for Amtrak,

which is just the latest power grab by the government to control our movements.

About the Supreme Court: We're one justice away from a progressive majority. That disappears with a GOP presidency, and that has me scared.

I am angry as hell at Obama.

[defendandprotect]

10. We need to move to action ---

and primary Obama --

The last plea of the "vote for the lessere evil" groups here is that

we need Obama for Supreme Court appointments --

Actually, it's more likely that Ruth Bader Ginsburg a lib vote would be retiring

than FAT Tony, Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas, or Alito !!



Obama's two new appointments didn't change the 5-4 right wing control at all --


Vote here --

http://www.stophoping.org

[SusanaMontana41]

14. I agree with everything you said.

But that 5-4 majority could become a permanent one if the GOP gets in office.

And I'm no "lesser of two evils" voter.

I'm angry as hell at Obama. Whether he gets my vote will be made after the curtain is pulled.

[defendandprotect]

25. Well ....

I think few of us have voted for candidates we've really believed in for decades --

probably since JFK -- ???

And in the case of Obama, voters voted for the Obama who campaigned and got the Obama

who chose a corporate "team" -- not to mention Koch Bros. DLC Rahm Emmanuel -- all

since then moving the administration to the right!


Whether by trickery or by control over the candidates who are nominated -- one way or

another -- it has worked out to be the lesser evil.

[swilton]

34. I have no confidence in Obama appointing a progressive

to the Supreme Court -

I can see him hiding behind the fig-leaf of bi-partisanship or just caving....

He's already begun to promote Republican staffers to the judiciary.

[MineralMan]

4. I don't know. Did he?

If you find a link or something to that effect, I hope you'll post it. I hadn't heard this. Where did you hear it?

[dennis4868]

5. I agree...we do...

and many are here...hahaha! :-)

[Horse with no Name]

19. First thing we agree on...but the crazies aren't the far left

they're the ones that "claim" to be the centrists...but we all know what THEY really are.

[NorthCarolina]

26. Yeah,

nose pick'n Bush lovers.

[gateley]

6. It would depend on what he actually said, I think. It's understandable

that those who are in the middle of the mix in DC look at things differently than we out here do, and are most likely more center. And I think the majority of Democrats aren't as far left as we are, either, which is why so many on the left are calling for Obama's head, and those more moderate aren't.

And it's obvious that they don't listen to us! But being pragmatic, they've got to govern for ALL the people, and that's tough to do.

[defendandprotect]

12. Obama is ignoring the "will of the people" so suggesting that he is

"governing for all the people" makes no sense --

No one is supporting Koch Bros and corporate power expect Obama and the New Dems/

Third Way!



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1751429&mesg_id=1758517


http://www.stophoping.org

[gateley]

16. As much as you'd like it to be, it's not cut and dried. You seem

to be saying that ALL people feel and want as we do, and that's just not the case.

And your statement that "No one is supporting Koch Bros and corporate power expect Obama and the New Dems/Third Way" is laughable. You're letting your dislike/disillusionment of Obama color your power of objectivity.

[defendandprotect]

28. A president works for the greatest good for the greatest number of people ....

he/she isn't intended to represent the KKK, the John Birchers -- or any other

groups looking to move to coroprate/fascism or plain fascism!!


And certainly we don't expect our candidates at any level to be run by the corporations

who finance them -- pre-bribe them and pre-own them -- but then again, we seem to be

very naive in that regard as a nation!!!

[gateley]

31. Yes - good distinction, you're right about the greatest

good for the greatest number of people.

But where you and I disagree is that I don't believe Obama is run by the corporations. So I guess I'm naive.

And really, no need to convince me why I'm wrong -- you've tried before and I still haven't changed my mind.

[librechik]

7. This is what I remind folks who think it's a good idea to make a liberal Tea P.

The Dem leadership does not care or listen to the left, let alone the far left. If we got into funny outfits and all protested it would be a lot more folks that the Tea Party, but it would have no influence whatsoever. And I doubt the media would ever cover us, certainly not like they cover the salt of the earth TPs. They are "good for America," we are just Dirty Fucking Hippies.

[defendandprotect]

9. Until liberals begin to TARGET those like Schumer... they will ignore us ... !!!

This is another reason why we need to primary Obama --

and fight back against corporate control of the party!!!



http://www.stophoping.org

[librechik]

13. Schumer will always ignore us, no matter how much we target him.

Unless you can deliver a fuck load of donations to Schumer's camapign chest, that is. I'd still like to see it--I heard once that the only kind of protest that actually works is personal confrontation. DFHs occupying Schumer's office? I'd love to see it, but I don't think it would move him. He thinks he's doing the right thing and we are just disruptive Dirty Fucking Hippies. David Swanson, here on the forum, does that sort of thing all the time. He gets nothing from the Dems, though, no matter his sincerity and the facts.

[defendandprotect]

23. Not if he's gone ---

and that's what we need to do -- replace him with a liberal Dem --

Don't know how much of the party is actually left after 20 years of Koch Bros.

funded DLC infiltrated the party -- but we need to find out!

[Waiting For Everyman]

15. The Dirty Fucking Hippies Were Right.

A classic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l5uX1Ee0cM

The difference between the two partys' "extreme wings" is that the Right's is wrong on the issues, the Left's isn't wrong.

By some people, that might be considered a good enough reason to listen to us/our ideas. :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

8. Masks are falling off all over the Dem Party ... Schumer's has been slipping for a long time now...!

The tradition seems to be act liberal in your House years -- then cash

in during the Senate terms --

Disgusting -- but this is another case of those who will continue to move to

the side of power $$$$$$$$ -- and democracy be damned!!

[Broderick]

18. It's in the water there

Only a few don't drink from the fountains I believe.

[Bluebear]

21. That seems to be the progression re: cashing in

We will need a labor party or some such for all of us "crazies"

[defendandprotect]

24. Unfortunately the liberal orgnaizations all act independently ...

that's something which just drives me crazy and has for decades --

they never come together to move together -- !!!

It was Susan B. Anthony's dream that there would be a Labor/Women's Party --

Everyone is frightened of losing their funding --

[sabrina 1]

17. I would not be surprised at anything Schumer has to say

about Democrats who actually adhere to Democratic principles. I met him once and he's one of the few Dems I met that I actually did not like.

[SoCalDem]

20. Ratbastard equivocators..all of them.. n/t

[JI7]

22. Check out the 9/11 Forum

[Arkana]

27. He's not wrong.

He never said the crazy wing was you or even people like you. You have no way of knowing what he meant or what he was thinking, and you're fishing to find something to be insulted by.

Democrats have demons--plenty of them, along the entire spectrum.

[defendandprotect]

29. And who are those "Democrat demons" on the left ... if you don't mind telling us?

[Raine]

30. If he didn't mean the left it would be the first time

we've been on their shit list ever since Obama got in. We've been continually degraded, disrespected, thrown under the bus and run over. :mad:

[mmonk]

32. Yep. We're the same as the tea baggers. Except for one thing.

We stand for the party that was considered normal at one time. The tea party is crazy.

[Bluebear]

33. FTW.