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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:36 PM
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Shared sacrifices I'd be happy to see and, not surprisingly, haven't been suggested
Federal legislators have cushy deals thanks to taxpayers.

About that automatic COLA for legislators' salaries. Yes, I know you've voted not to take the automatic raise in the past couple of years, though I note that prior to that your salary raises were substantial:

Between 2001 and 2009, Congressional salaries increased from $145,100 to $174,000 thanks to an automatic Cola increase. As Social Security recipients have not received a cost of living adjustment since 2008, Congressional Cola increases cost taxpayers $2.2 million and $2.5 million in 2008 and 09 respectively. In 2010, Congress voted to not accept a 2011 COLA increase. On January 7, 2011, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Az) introduced a bill to cut Congressional salaries by 5%.


While you've been getting those nice increases in salary, you've been busy kowtowing to your corporate overlords and have found all sorts of ways to let manufacturing and other business leave the country and regular Americans' median income has gone DOWN during the same period.

SUGGESTED SACRIFICE: Scale legislators salaries back to the 2001 figure of $145,100. After all, it's the policies that you enacted that caused the rest of us to lose -- why should you be any different, moreover reward yourselves for jobs poorly done?

Now, about your pensions. Congress (both houses) has been very, very generous to itself. They pay less into their pensions and get a sweet match from taxpayers.

They enjoy, "pension benefits that are two to three times more generous than those offered in the private sector for similarly-salaried executives. Taxpayers directly cover at least 80 percent of this costly plan."

Not only are the pensions more generous than private sector pensions, they're more generous than even executive branch pensions and certainly regular federal employees.

For example, Members of Congress under CSRS have a generous accrual rate of 2.5 percent for all years served, while most workers in the Executive Branch get a sliding rate of between 1.5 and 2.0 percent. For FERS, Members get a 1.7 percent initial rate, versus 1.1 percent or 1.0 percent for most rank-and-file federal employees. Also, lawmakers with longer careers in Congress can generally collect pension benefits at a far earlier age than their counterparts with similar service elsewhere in the government. Plus, the Congressional benefit is protected with Cost of Living Adjustments (COLAs), a feature that only about 1 in 10 private plans offer.

According to the Congressional Research Service, a lawmaker with 20 years of service under FERS could expect to receive a pension equivalent to 34.0 percent of his or her highest three years’ salary average. For other federal employees in the Executive Branch, the “replacement rate” would be just 20.0 percent. For CSRS participants, the gap between a Member of Congress and an Executive Branch employee is 50.0 percent versus 36.5 percent.


And that ain't all:

Furthermore, lawmakers enrolled in both Congressional pension plans (CSRS and FERS) can participate in the federal Thrift Savings Plan, a defined contribution arrangement that works like a 401 (k) retirement system. However, only lawmakers enrolled in the newer pension plan, FERS, can also obtain a generous government “match” of their salary contributions (up to 5 percent). This can add considerably to the total retirement package.


SUGGESTED SACRIFICE: Scale back legislators' pensions to more closely resemble the pensions of all other federal employees. Congresspersons and senators increase their contributions substantially so that taxpayers are contributing no more than 30% of the pensions for legislators.

Legislators currently become vested in the pension system after 5 years of service. They can retire at age 62 and, if only serving 5 years at that point, are eligible for a pension based on their 3 highest salaried years. A fifty-year-old who's served 20 years can retire at age 50. They can retire at any age after serving 25 years. Add in the "Golden Goose of Congressional Pensions known as an annual guaranteed cost-of-living-adjustment" and those retirement benefits, courtesy of us, look even better!

SUGGESTED SACRIFICE: You want to raise the SS age? Okay, this taxpayer suggests you make your own sacrifice. Members are vested in retirement after 8 years of service, not five. And retirement with full pension must follow the same guidelines you set out for Social Security. No more free rides at the expense of the taxpayer. You want to serve in Congress for 20 years and retire when you're 56? Fine. Your pension doesn't kick in until you hit whatever age you set for SS. No exceptions. And you get a COLA only when Social Security recipients get a COLA. No exceptions.

Health insurance: taxpayers currently pay approximately 3/4 of the health insurance costs for legislators and their families.

SUGGESTED SACRIFICE: Increase the percentage legislators pay for their health insurance, with taxpayers paying no more than 20% of health insurance costs for legislators and legislators assuming the full cost of family members' health insurance. This seems fair since so many legislators are fine with millions of Americans having no health insurance at all.

Life insurance: taxpayers currently pay approximately 1/3 of members' life insurance plans.

SUGGESTED SACRIFICE: Life insurance has become a luxury these days for regular Americans hit by job cutbacks, losses, high costs of most items needed for everyday living. I suggest members pay for 100% of their life insurance since American taxpayers increasingly can't afford to have it at all.

Health club costs: Members currently pay a nominal fee to use the health club in the Capitol. Taxpayers pick up the rest of the cost.

SUGGESTED SACRIFICE: Pay for your own damn gym. Talk about luxuries these days! The most exercise some of your constituents are able to get is standing in lines: unemployment, food banks, and more. When your constituents are hurting so badly, why the hell are we putting one penny of tax dollars toward an exclusive gym open only to you and your staffs?

SOME OTHER SUGGESTED SACRIFICES: Fly coach. You want pampering? Pay for the upgrade out of your own damn pocket. And pay for your own parking at the airport! You get free premium parking -- the rest of us have to pay big bucks for that. Tighten those franking privileges, too -- taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for what amounts to your brag-mail that's essentially campaigning on taxpayer dollars!

We currently have 55 members of Congress who are worth $10 million and above. This taxpayer suggests that any Congressperson worth $10 million or more forgo his or her salary and pay $100% of their health insurance costs and that of their family's. Why the hell should we pay to enrich you more? You've likely taken some of your own money to buy your election, so do the right thing and save the taxpayers from forking over money for a salary you don't need and health insurance you can bloody well afford to pay for yourself!




SO, WHERE'S YOUR DAMNED SHARED SACRIFICE, HMMMM?

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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:49 PM
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1. K & R - Everyone On DU And For That Matter All Americans Should Read This Post.....nt
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:49 PM
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2. K&R.... I think they should get COLA's based on the the same % as SS
Then lets see them screw around with bogus "chained" metrics.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 01:59 PM
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3. Recommend
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 02:18 PM
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4. You are a much more generous person than I am
I would transfer the monies congress gets back to the states.
The people in the state would decide the wage the senator would make
The people of the district would decide the pay of the representative.
The congressperson would not have health care nor pension unless
everyone in their district or state had these things

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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:20 PM
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8. I like the way you're thinking. I'm open to all kinds of suggestions....
it's just damn well time for them to include themselves in this "shared sacrifice" bs!

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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:47 AM
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21. I'm with you!
If any of us that still have jobs did them as poorly as they do, we would be shit canned immediately.

The way these assholes have behaved, I think they should work for under minimum wage and rely on tips!
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 02:48 PM
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5. I like this.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 02:49 PM
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6. may i share this around on facebook later?? n/t
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:18 PM
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7. Be my guest! nt
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:25 PM
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9. K&R!!
Geez - stuff fly so fast around here that it's easy to miss some great posts, this is one of 'em!!

If only they'd have enough integrity to walk on the path they set up for the rest of us. Just imagine that.

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RedRocco Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:25 PM
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10. you are more generous than I am
I always liked the idea of limiting congressional pay to the median wage in their home district, thus giving them incentive to improve things for their constituency.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 05:03 PM
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11. actually, limited congressional pay gives them an incentive to be more corrupt.
personally, i like the idea of giving them a rather high salary, at least double what it is now, BUT have serious teeth to anti-corruption laws. perhaps even require that their bank statements be open to the public. side income taxed at 100%.

congresscritters will be owned by someone better to be owned by the public than to be owned by the highest bidder.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:47 PM
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27. Meh, who bother they will just use their spouses name as Clarence (For Sale) Thomas did.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:22 AM
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19. Absolutely,
that is a great idea. Tie it in with the other reply to this post about open bank accounts. Congress, the Executive branch AND the SCOTUS should NOT use their positions to profit at our expense. Then you will also get the

standard argument that it takes large salaries to lure these great minds from the public sector. lol. Most of these sycophants could not make it in the public sector.

"I always liked the idea of limiting congressional pay to the median wage in their home district, thus giving them incentive to improve things for their constituency." You are so right. That is what public service is all about.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 07:40 PM
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12. Tweeted & facebooked and now I'm going to bed! I hope they start to
get messages from every direction -- where's THEIR sacrifice?

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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 08:23 PM
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13. K&R! n/t
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:33 AM
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14. From the website of my Rep, Peter DeFazio
"DeFazio has refused to accept congressional pay raises while the government is deficit spending, and has linked his pay to Social Security cost-of-living adjustments. Instead, he has used his pay raises to reduce the national debt and to fund scholarships at five southwestern Oregon community colleges; by the end of 2011, DeFazio will have contributed $334,000 of after-tax salary toward 207 scholarships and debt reduction. He counts these scholarships among of his proudest accomplishments."
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:50 AM
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25. That's one reason why he's one of my favorite Congresscritters
even though I have never lived in his district.

I used to attend his $35 pizza and beer campaign events in Portland.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:06 AM
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15. K&R nt
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 09:44 AM
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16. I am surprised this one is getting so much positive feedback.
Of course, it is exactly like the logic of the Tea Baggers.

BTW, by saying "After all, it's the policies that you enacted that caused the rest of us to lose -- why should you be any different" and the Congress, can't we also say Gov't Employees responsible for not enforcing what laws are on the books (see SEC scandal right now), so corrupt that they are in bed with those they regulate, waste money/effort/etc.? So, I guess Obama is right and they should have pay freezes, reduced benefits (pay determines that), etc.? Hell, let's just reduce their salaries back to 2001 levels, benefits, "perks", etc.? Good idea?

I can go on with the analogies and continued application of this "they do not deserve more than I" logic. Instead, I ask you:

1. How much would we "save" by doing what you propose for Congress?

2. What would it accomplish in terms of policy, improvement in the economy, getting a progressive agenda passed, etc.?

3. How much does this simply ensure that we "little people"/"rabble"/"social cockroaches" (Ayn Rand's) are simply bickering among ourselves, constantly taking out our frustrations on each other, while those who actually engineered and have so richly benefited from it go right on ripping us off?

I have heard this argument again and again. It is pointless, mean-spirited, distracting and wrong. People making

Let's get back to the real reason that we should return to top marginal tax rates in the 90 percentile because we should tax where the money is. And, if we want a reasonably even playing field and egalitarian society, again we should go where the money is and not after those who make anything more than we do.

Of course, this griping makes one feel "good", but it is truly wrongheaded. Let's get to work on what really needs to be done.
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:01 AM
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23. Exactly...
after all, what's the most over represented minority in congress? Millionaires, their take home pay is the small part of their wealth. Changing the pay rate is a small band-aid on a large wound.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:58 PM
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28. I'd rather see performance based pay
As in, they don't get paid at all if they don't pass a budget and the government shuts down (plus losing all perks and health insurance, make them apply for UE). And they don't get it back even if they pass a budget, they lose all their pay for the period the government is shut down.
Losing 75% of salary and benefits if the Government is operating on a continuing resolution basis.

Getting 100 % of pay if budget is on time. 10% bonus if it is 1 month ahead of deadline.

Same goes with any required task, such as debt limit raising.
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:15 PM
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33. That is called an election
They lose and they are not paid.

Of course, it does not matter when one knows that there is a cushy job just waiting for them in the private sector in some business that they helped through legislation.

Again, the problem is not pay. It is corruption. That is not dealt with by cutting benefits.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 08:44 AM
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37. Too many are in gerrymandered districts where they face no opposition
They know they have nothing to fear from the electorate. That's how you get folks with 10-20-30 term careers even though congress' approval rate is always very low.

I still think money is a huge motivating factor for these folks.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 05:06 PM
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32. if these public employees are proposing cuts in salaries and benefits for OTHER public employees
why on earth is it "mean-spirited" or "wrong" to ask them to cut their salaries and benefits also? :wtf: it is precisely spot on, imho. do unto yourself as you are doing unto others.
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 08:21 PM
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34. Wow
I have heard jokes about how some people totally mis-interpret the Golden Rule. However, here it is.

So, it is spot on to punish others for wanting a middle class existence because you do not have everything they have.

Just wow.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:07 AM
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17. I have always considered employment "drug tests"
as unconstitutional, going against the 5th amendment. Congress does not see it that way. They readily agree with employer required drug testing and are considering (seriously) that anyone who receives any type of federal or state

assistance be required to pass a drug test. Members of Congress or even the executive branch are not superior to the rest of the population. They should be required to take random and pre-employment drug tests also.

I believe that these public servants will have a much higher incidence of test failures than ordinary Americans. Since these tests are mandatory for most employees, the wall street employees should also be required to submit to these tests.

It is so unfair that almost any average American who wants a job, must pass this test, yet the people who control us and most of the highest paid Americans are not required to. IMO, legislators and the people who have the capacity

to ruin our financial system again, should live by the same laws us as "ordinary folk." We ALL know that this will not happen. When they do it, it is a part of the creative process. when we do it, it is part of our wickedness showing

through.
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:22 AM
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18. K&R
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:40 AM
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YES! send this to the supercommittee
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 10:45 AM by noiretextatique
they should be the first to "sacrifice." since you already gave permission, i linked to my facebook page too. thank you!
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:40 AM
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20. dupe
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 10:41 AM by noiretextatique
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Mr Deltoid Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:49 AM
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22. Only the little people sacrifice
Hell, I would be happy just to see the rich in general sacrifice a bit? Seems only the middle class, unions, and poor people are shouldering all the 'sacrifice.'
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 11:41 AM
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24. k & R
you should submit this as an editorial in your local paper.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 12:21 PM
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26. Oh Jeeebus yes!!!
Bravo!
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:05 PM
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29. I like this very much!
k/r

I never heard the call for shared prosperity when the economy was rolling!

Wages were stagnant or worse. Half the country works for minimum wage, not even living wages.

So pfhuck the call for shared sacrifice.

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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 01:07 PM
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30. You have it all wrong. Don't you know that if companies and local governments break union contracts
Edited on Thu Aug-18-11 01:07 PM by Brickbat
just for the hell of it, it will create jobs, make your own personal 401(k) value skyrocket, and pay off the debt ALL IN ONE DAY? Why do you hate America?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 03:33 PM
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31. My solution is at the ballot box:
I no longer vote for obviously Corporate-owned shills, haven't done so for years, and won't do so in 2012.

That is the best way I can ensure that there is indeed some shared sacrifice. (Of course, once the Total Tools get out of office, they only have to wait two years to take a cushy job at some industry that they have helped out in return for campaign contributions. Our legislators are no longer meeting "Sam" in a back alley with a briefcase full of money. It is all about the revolving door between Congress and industry.)
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w0nderer Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-18-11 10:00 PM
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35. k & r n/t
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-11 01:45 AM
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36. k&r
:kick:
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