We need to oppose Citzens United with all the fervor that the Right is opposing Roe V. Wade.

[white_wolf]

If the Right is going to start state laws making it harder for women to get abortions than we need to start passing state laws to make it harder for corporations to buy our elected officials. Honestly, I really don't even understand how we came to this point. Isn't the whole point of incorporation the idea that since they are not people they provide some protection for those who make up the corporation? At least I thought that was one of the reasons for it.

[annabanana]

1. If we can't lower corporations into the ground when they reach an

appropriate actuarial age, they are NOT people.

[white_wolf]

2. Instead of people maybe we should consider them dogs and say they die in about 10 years.

[saras]

6. If we can't put them to death for homicide, they're not people

[dennis4868]

3. no...

we just oppose Obama here no matter the facts...sorry, u r in the wrong website....move along....

[Autumn]

12. Maybe you responded to the wrong OP

where is this post opposing Obama?

[dennis4868]

14. all over the fucking website...

[Autumn]

15. Not in this OP and to tell someone

"sorry, u r in the wrong website....move along...." is not the right thing to do, unless you are against anyone opposing Citizens United.
:shrug:

[Cool Logic]

4. Why would anyone on the right or the left oppose free speach...?

What you overlook is that rich corporations already write the rules from K-Street...where the rich and the powerful always have a seat at the table.

The history of campaign finance reform is the history of incumbent politicians seeking to muzzle speakers who publicly criticize them and their legislation.

McCain?Feingold was a constriction on free speech. Everyone from the ACLU to the Heritage Foundation understood that.

[white_wolf]

5. I don't consider corporations having rights to free speech since they are not people.

As for campaign finance reform I propose banning all private money in every race and only allowing public money.

[Cool Logic]

16. A corporation is nothing more than a coalition of individual human beings.

People are not required to leave their rights behind at the conference room door.

[joshcryer]

21. The ACLU backed Citizens United *because* Unions and non-profits *are* corporations.

If we are going to have our collective rights heard again we need to accept that the enemy will have those collective rights, too.

[moondust]

7. Money is not speech.

Money is property--to be owned and traded like any other property.

Does your money talk to you? What does it say? Have you told your shrink about it? :rofl:

[Cool Logic]

17. Money speaks on the radio or television...don't ask your shrink...

just ask a member your average radio sales staff.

[eShirl]

9. Rights are for humans.

[Cool Logic]

18. Do you lose your free speech rights when you go to work?

[Waiting For Everyman]

8. Step 1: impeach Clarence Thomas

[annabanana]

10. He is one of the most compromised justices in history.

If we can't impeach him, NONE of them are EVER impeachable!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

11. I'd like to see Thom Hartmann run a corporation for the Presidency

He should buy a small, one-man corporation that's been around for 35 years to meet the Presidency's age requirements under the Constitution. The Constitution also says that the President must be a natural born citizen, a subject on which the Supreme Court has not pronounced itself. Since Republicans are saying that corporations are merely the people behind it, acting with a common will, Hartmann could gather 4 or 5 friends like Ellen Ratner, all of whom are 35 years of age or older and native born U.S. citizens. He could apply for a dba for that old corporation to rename it something like "Greed, Inc." and ask his viewers to sign petitions to get it on the ballot in the various states. It would give him a platform to show just how absurd the idea of corporate pershood allegedly granted by the Constitution really is. For all we know, in a few decades, we may very well see an ExxonMobil inhabiting the White House, something right out of a futuristic novel.

[white_wolf]

13. That would be great.

Someone should email him or suggest it on his show.

[joshcryer]

20. Aaand, you get it. Unions were not allowed political speech (they could endorse but not campaign).

Citizens United is a double edged sword. The corporations are actually sweating a little that it was reversed.

[joshcryer]

19. Citizens United was a good move, it reversed union marginalization.