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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:08 PM
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Texas Used Stimulus to Cover 97% of Its Deficit

Even as he railed against the Recovery Act, Texas Gov. Rick Perry used the government's stimulus plan to cover 97 percent of the state's budget deficit in 2009:

Turns out Texas was the state that depended the most on those very stimulus funds to plug nearly 97% of its shortfall for fiscal 2010, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Texas, which crafts a budget every two years, was facing a $6.6 billion shortfall for its 2010-2011 fiscal years. It plugged nearly all of that deficit with $6.4 billion in Recovery Act money, allowing it to leave its $9.1 billion rainy day fund untouched.
"Stimulus was very helpful in getting them through the last few years," said Brian Sigritz, director of state fiscal studies for the National Association of State Budget Officers, said of Texas.





http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/01/texas-used-stimulus-to-cover-97-of-its-deficit/70077/
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:11 PM
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1. K&R
and bookmarked
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:15 PM
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2. Saw this yesterday. Somehow, the MSM missed it...and will continue to miss it.
This story SHOULD be part of any and every narrative being spun by D operatives. Otherwise, it will never gain traction in the MSM.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:20 PM
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3. the unreccers are out in droves now, too. REC THIS THREAD EVERYBODY.
Texas Debacle.

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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:31 PM
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6. really? the threads been up for about 20 minutes and is on the greatest page w/ 14 recs.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:16 PM
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10. Thankfully, I didn't miss it. The only reason I found it was because Rachel
brought something about Texas being about having a $7 billion deficit. So I went looking and found that article and added it to my twitter account.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 06:04 AM
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38. Yeah, CNN sure missed it- in fact, CNN is where the original, extensive article came from.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 07:02 AM
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41. The M$M wouldn't THINK to dampen Perry's parade with FACTS. nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 08:10 AM
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44. It should be a part of every narrative
but TV political talk show hosts will skillfully make sure it isn't.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:23 PM
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4. K & R
:thumbsup:
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:26 PM
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5. Wait a minute, I thought stimulus funds HAD to be used specifically for
infrastructure, funding schools, alternative energy development, etc.



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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:38 PM
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7. K, according to Wikipedia
Under Provisions of the Act, #5:


To stabilize State and local government budgets, in order to minimize and avoid reductions in essential services and counterproductive state and local tax increases.


But it's 5th UNDER 1-4.

#1 To preserve and create jobs and promote economic recovery.
#2 To assist those most impacted by the recession.
#3 To provide investments needed to increase economic efficiency by spurring technological advances in science and health.
#4 To invest in transportation, environmental protection, and other infrastructure that will provide long-term economic benefits.


And he used 97% to cover his budget? What did #1-4 get?

Damn, that program wasn't supposed to work like this, was it? Or Texas was in such deep shit under Gov. Perry's helm that there should be NO question that he's not competent to be any where near the presidency.

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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 10:37 AM
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49. Damn. There should be a limit in the budget clause, "..up to 10%.. " or something similar.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:42 PM
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8. It's shit like this that prevented the stimulus from being more effective.
In fact, I'm not completely sure that the stimulus actually was a stimulus rather than an emergency bailout of state governments which nearly all became insolvent due to the economic downturn.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:52 PM
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9. Take a look around at all the teachers getting laid off now that
stimulus funds have run out. That's part of what's causing the double dip. If those people had been laid off a year ago, things would have been much worse.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:30 PM
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11. True, but filling holes in state budgets isn't stimulus. It's just maintaining the economy.
Maybe it helps if I simplify this. Imagine you're my dad and I'm a kid. Mr. Jones runs a candy shop but there was a tainted candy scare and now consumption is way down. You like Mr. Jones and in addition to my normal allowance of $8 each week one day you hand me $2 and say "why don't you go buy some candy". Now normally my $8.00 budget goes half to candy and half to comic books but for some reason I've lost $2 (tax revenue shortfall due to economic crisis), so when you give me the $2 to spend at the candy shop, I end up spending my normal $4 there. Mr. Jones (our metaphor for aggregate demand) doesn't see any increase, which is what the $2 was intended to do, because what should have been a boost to him is merely able to maintain normal consumption.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:50 PM
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12. Part of the stimulus money was meant to stop the ongoing collapse
by keeping government employees working (and spending). Maintaining normal consumption was indeed the objective.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 04:00 PM
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13. Intention or not. Stimulus in the Keynesian sense requires increased spending.
Hence my comment that actions like Perry's keep stimulus from working because he used 97% of the money to fund the state's shortfall.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 07:24 PM
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16. OK, i see what you mean now.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 07:51 PM
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18. How could he use the money for anything else until the shortfall was addressed?
If what you're getting at is that the stimulus was too small, I wholeheartedly agree. But the pre-existing state budget obligations needed to be addressed before any additional spending can happen.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 10:31 AM
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48. exactly!
Rather than run his government rationally and raising taxes a bit to cover the deficit he instead turned money that should have been used for new programs and pumped it all into his debt.

The problem with the stimulus is that it is the evil bizarro universe equivalent of unfunded mandates. It ended up being funded not-mandates. Some states were able to twist and finangle all of the money into covering debt for services they already provided.

Texas though, despite their independent cowboy image, has long been on the federal teat and all their bootstrap bullshit bravado is just so much 'all hat' crap.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 12:15 AM
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26. Another (similar) analogy...
If you give me an economic stimulus, and I just use it to pay my debts -- that is, to pay off things I've ALREADY BOUGHT -- then the effect of the stimulus is nil because it created no new spending.

I think that's what happened to the tax refunds people got a couple years ago. By the time money made it to their pockets, they used it to pay bills and credit card debt, so there really wasn't much in the way of stimulation.

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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 07:48 PM
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17. This is the one capacity in which the stimulus was effective
If states weren't able to meet their shortfalls it would have been disastrous.

Nevertheless, Perry is a douchebag for financing his state like this then turning around and pounding his chest as a fiscal reactionary.

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 04:01 PM
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14. So IOW, Perry is a fucking hypocritical, shark gargler!
Edited on Tue Aug-16-11 04:01 PM by Rex
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 04:03 PM
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15. Now isn't that interesting. Obama and the Evil DC Empire will be waiting
Edited on Tue Aug-16-11 04:05 PM by TwilightGardener
for the public thank you from Mr. Perry. I am sure it's forthcoming. On Edit: if he can have what he calls a "Texas Miracle", then he must also acknowledge the "Texas Bailout".
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 07:57 PM
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19. The MSM will NEVER mention it. And it's 50/50 the WH won't, either:
Edited on Tue Aug-16-11 07:59 PM by blkmusclmachine
So it might as well have never happened. (If a tree fell in the woods, and nobody was there to hear it, did it actually make a crashing sound as it fell to the ground?)
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 08:00 PM
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20. So does that mean Rick Perry does or doesn't love America?
I can't keep up.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:24 AM
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32. He hates American workers. He loves their tax money.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 11:08 AM
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53. Perry LOVES America
- so long as Americans are too lazy to fact check his barfed bullshit. :puke:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 08:01 PM
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21. Not only that...but he plugged in stimulus funds and then used them for
school. INSTEAD of state funds. Then, when the stimulus money ran out, he REFUSED to replace them with state funds--leaving the schools in dire straits. Then, the message was out that the schools were underfunded because of OBAMA.

And trying to talk reason to folks...not going to happen.:(
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 10:56 PM
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22. C'mon ya'll, let's leave Rick Perry alone.
It would be a shame if he was to lose the GOP Primary. lol
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 11:02 PM
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23. I guess he had to wait to secede until after he got the funds, huh? n/t
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 12:07 AM
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24. Texans mess with Texas.
Edited on Wed Aug-17-11 12:11 AM by upi402
Randi Rhodes layed out the mess in Texas out pretty well.
18% elected their Governator. No wonder.
unreal
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 12:09 AM
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25. What? Another Repub who's either ignorant or a hypocrite???
What are the odds?

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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 12:24 AM
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27. D:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 12:48 AM
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28. Why didn't David Gregory tell us this?
On Press the Meat, where he is the manipulator???
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 12:49 AM
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29. Or John King, why did he fail to mention this fact?
On CNN, where he controls what they say on that channel?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 12:50 AM
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30. Or Ed Schultz, why doesn't he talk about Perry doing this on his teevee show?
Edited on Wed Aug-17-11 12:51 AM by Major Hogwash
Instead of taking lines from Obama's speeches out of context?
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 12:53 AM
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31. Interesting where's the Federal audit of our money?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 03:51 AM
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33. OMG A REPUKE HYPOCRITE
*YAWN*
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0n1n3 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 07:52 AM
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43. LoL +1
*Yawn* x2
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:36 AM
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34. Tattoo it to Goodhair's forehead
Never allow the sniveling little creep to hide the fact that the federal stimulus saved his sorry ass.

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:41 AM
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35. I thought this was common knowledge...
it was discussed briefly when it happened.

Revisiting this would be in the interest of the voters...but I don't think Perry has a chance in hell of getting the nomination. The inherent ties to bush will crush any "drive" for Perry to get the nomination.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 06:47 AM
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39. Perry said yesterday that another stimulus would be like treason, yet he took the money and run
The first time to make him look better.
He'd better stay out of the sun for awhile because I do believe that boy is tetched in the haid.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 06:56 AM
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40. I'm surprised he doesn't burst into flames...
I'm glad he's opening his yap though, the more he does, the more he proves how dumb he is...:D
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 04:50 AM
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36. K&R
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jwhitesj Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 05:03 AM
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37. It makes me more angry
That the money wasn't used for stimulus spending, then it does that he denounced the stimulus and used it. These are the reasons the stimulus didn't work as well as hoped. So much of the stimulus fund was wasted.
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 07:32 AM
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42. K&R (n/t)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 09:01 AM
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45. k&r. . . . n/t
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avebury Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 09:09 AM
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46. K&R
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 09:52 AM
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47. Tactic: kill the parents then cry because you are an orphan...
:argh:
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ldconfig Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 10:41 AM
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50. 3am cold sweat
Is what happened to me last night.
Before I woke I was having the most vivid nightmare of my life. A tall man on his knees before 3 robed men in a room filled with elected leaders from both parties. One robed man said "You have been picked by Jesus himself to rule" Then an image of the front of the C-Street house.

I woke up in a panic knowing the warnings were true. A great man in 1953 wrote 'Revolt in 2100' that warned of a leader coming to power so popular that no one would question him and he would lead us into 100 years of Christian America.

That man on his knees was Rick Perry.

I am very scared if Perry isn't stopped in 5 years or less liberals could become an endangered species. I really believe with this man in power Christians could commit genocide in the name of their God. Its happened MANY TIMES through out history.
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Permanut Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 10:50 AM
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51. Odd that Rich Lowry didn't mention it in his column today...
Must have been just an oversight.

Oh, and K&R
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 10:55 AM
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52. Clearly subversion of purpose. GIVE IT BACK. n/t
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 11:27 AM
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54. k/r
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 11:30 AM
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55. k&r n/t
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 12:08 PM
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56. I thought he refused stimulus funding?
And for once, I'm not being sarcastic. I've heard the "Perry refused stimulus funding" meme repeated so often, without ever being challenged, that I never really questioned its veracity, though in retrospect, I should have known better.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-11 12:30 PM
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57. A few red state governors made a very vocal refusal with the cameras running
scored their political points, then weeks later quietly took the money on the sly...It was done in SC and LA, iirc
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