Ore. mother gets probation in home circumcision

[Liberal_in_LA]

Ore. mother gets probation in home circumcision

An Oregon woman who tried to circumcise her 3-month-old son at home after reading the Old Testament and watching YouTube videos has been sentenced to five years of probation.

Keemonta Peterson pleaded guilty to first-degree criminal mistreatment. The 30-year-old Portland woman must also undergo mental health treatment.

Peterson called 911 and the boy was rushed to a hospital last October after her botched effort left the infant bleeding uncontrollably and in intense pain. A prosecutor says he has fully recovered.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/08/16/national/a065355D63.DTL#ixzz1VD3A1mJp

[ZombieHorde]

1. My original comment was fallacious.

Religion is the clear motivator for the mother's behavior. Except for emergency situations, cutting up an infant's genitalia is extremely barbaric. The Christian Holy Bible advocates some really disturbing behavior.

[Gregorian]

6. Advocates?

Come on.


edit- to be fair, I agree with your sentiment.

[ZombieHorde]

9. Yes, the Christian Holy Bible advocates behavior I personally find disturbing. nt

[whathehell]

10. That's nice...You might want to check out the Torah and the Koran too

You'll likely find some "disturbing" things in there as well.:eyes:

[ZombieHorde]

12. I agree; monotheism has some really fucked up source material.

You will get no argument from me on that subject.

[Gregorian]

16. I'd like an example of what they advocate.

Not from the Old Testament.

[ZombieHorde]

23. I will respond to your challenge, but I would like to point out that it is a fallacious challenge

because most American Christians believe in the Old Testament, and wish the 10 Commandments were displayed at state capital buildings.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/15817/americans-thou-shalt-remove-ten-commandments.aspx

1 Corinthians 11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2011&version=ASV

1 Be ye imitators of me, even as I also am of Christ.

2 Now I praise you that ye remember me in all things, and hold fast the traditions, even as I delivered them to you.

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoreth his head.

5 But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonoreth her head; for it is one and the same thing as if she were shaven.

6 For if a woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn: but if it is a shame to a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be veiled.

7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head veiled, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man:

9 for neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man:

10 for this cause ought the woman to have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels.

11 Nevertheless, neither is the woman without the man, nor the man without the woman, in the Lord.

12 For as the woman is of the man, so is the man also by the woman; but all things are of God.

13 Judge ye in yourselves: is it seemly that a woman pray unto God unveiled?

14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a dishonor to him?

15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

16 But if any man seemeth to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

17 But in giving you this charge, I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better but for the worse.

18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and I partly believe it.

19 For there must be also factions among you, that they that are approved may be made manifest among you.

20 When therefore ye assemble yourselves together, it is not possible to eat the Lord's supper:

21 for in your eating each one taketh before other his own supper; and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

22 What, have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and put them to shame that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you? In this I praise you not.

23 For I received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread;

24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 In like manner also the cup, after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood: this do, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink the cup, ye proclaim the Lord's death till he come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat the bread or drink the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man prove himself, and so let him eat of the bread, and drink of the cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh, eateth and drinketh judgment unto himself, if he discern not the body.

30 For this cause many among you are weak and sickly, and not a few sleep.

31 But if we discerned ourselves, we should not be judged.

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, wait one for another.

34 If any man is hungry, let him eat at home; that your coming together be not unto judgment. And the rest will I set in order whensoever I come.

The male supremacy in this passage speaks for itself. Is this enough for you, or do you agree with what is being advocated here?

[whathehell]

8. The "Christian holy bible"?...If I'm not mistaken, circumcision is a Jewish tradition,

duh...Although no one of sound mind does this at home!

[ZombieHorde]

11. Most Christians in the US disagree with you.

The 10 Commandments, the creation myths, and circumcision are considered very important to most American Christians.

What is a Christian more likely to do: hate gay people (OT), or give their possessions to the poor (NT)?

[whathehell]

17. Say What?....I know that you, like many here, are obsessed with "Christians"

but you really have to start READING the posts.

A. I doubt you "know" what is "considered very important" to "most Christians", because like many here who have no

background in Christianity, you assume that the "Fundies" represent MOST Christians...Take it from one who was actually

raised in the religion and, um...KNOWS it.

B. MOST "Christians" are NOT fundamentalists that agree with a literal interpretation of the Bible aka the "Creation Myth" etc.

Catholics and Mainstream Protestants (who account for MOST Christians in America) do NOT interpret the bible literally.

and much of what you're talking about is NOT originally "Christian", anyway, it's Hebrew, aka The Ten Commandments, Circumcision, etc.

Circumcision is -- AGAIN -- A Jewish tradition and I would argue that it is even more "important" to them, as they celebrate

the event, while Christians do NOT and although American Christians generally follow this traditon,

many European Christians do not.

Do yourself a favor, and educate yourself on a subject before projecting "blame" and otherwise

mouthing off about subjects you know little about.:eyes:

[Gregorian]

19. Thank you.

[whathehell]

25. You're welcome, and

thank you for being so gracious!

[dmallind]

20. Actually 40% of all AMERICANS, not just Xians, are indeed young earth creationists

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publia.htm

Hardly a minority fringe-fundy view

[ZombieHorde]

21. Only 39% of Americans believe in evolution.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/114544/darwin-birthday-believe-evolution.aspx

4/10 of Americans believe the story of Adam of Eve is literal, but Christians only account for 78.4% of the US' population.
That is about half, plus many aren't sure if humans evolved or not.
-4/10 http://www.goddiscussion.com/73101/gallup-and-pew-research-polls-show-that-4-out-of-10-americans-believe-in-the-genesis-story-of-adam-and-eve/
-78.4% http://religions.pewforum.org/reports

76% of Americans believe the 10 Commandments should be displayed on the grounds of the Texas state Capitol building.
56% of Americans want the 10 Commandments displayed at their own capital.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/15817/americans-thou-shalt-remove-ten-commandments.aspx

Circumcision may be more important to Jews than American Christians, but it is still very important to most American Christians.

The facts clearly back up my claims.

[whathehell]

24. I'm sure you know that Gallup is a right wing organization, don't you?

and I believe in them little more than I believe in other industries

of their ideological bent.

In any case, surveys on belief in Evolution should be no more than secondary sources

of information when you are speaking with presumed "authority" on Religion.

You need to study world religions directly before assuming such a stance.

That being said, the issue of a nut "circumcising" her baby at home

is about as relevant to the issue of Christianity as a stabbing is to

the issue of kitchen utensils.

[ZombieHorde]

26. Do you have any evidence Gallup is politically biased?

Has there been any evidence of wrong doing on their part?

I offered evidence for my claims, but you offer no evidence for your claims.

[whathehell]

27. It's been noted and discussed on this website numerous times.

[ZombieHorde]

29. But no evidence has been presented.

Why believe something without evidence?

[whathehell]

30. Evidence,

or at least very compelling argument, was presented,

you simply weren't "there" for it...Google it if you want...I'm not going to

continue this progressively silly pissing contest.:boring:

[Lance_Boyle]

2. Should have had the kid(s) taken away.

Botched home surgery is "love" according to the judge. Fuck that noise sideways with a chainsaw. That godball is a danger to herself and others.

[Odin2005]

3. Proof that religion lets you get away with crap. UGH.

[Poll_Blind]

4. Needless jeopardy to an infant's well-being. Disgusting.

PB

[JohnnyLib2]

5. Pitiful. Imagine what THAT kid will be saying later on.

:banghead: :thumbsdown: :crazy:

[surrealAmerican]

7. Good call on the "mental health treatment".

Regardless of what motivation she may claim, preforming surgery on one's own baby is not a sane decision.

[FarCenter]

13. Should have read Galatians 5:2

Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+5&version=NIV

[Shandris]

14. Whaaaat? She was just exercising 'choice'...

She felt she could it better than a professional doctor. What, aren't we for choice around here anymore? Who's to say her job wouldn't have normally been just as good as a doctor's? Even a doctor can make a mistake, after all, and the boy is FINE, just ask him! She took the time to look up what to do, she doesn't have to be an expert in the field HERSELF, for the love of God! We should be all over the government for forcing its way down her throat and trying to tell HER what to do with HER KIDS!

((Yes, this :sarcasm: rant is inspired by another thread))

[whathehell]

18. The woman is clearly a serious mental case...that's pretty much the beginning and the end of it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. She must have got to Samuel 18:27

Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.

[madinmaryland]

22. Owww!! I nearly passed out reading this thread.

:wtf:

[Whisp]

28. the whole idea is crazy

it's crazy how people can talk themselves into the idea that babies don't really feel pain.

and it doesn't mark them to seeing this world as an unhappy place.

there's enough pain that comes by surprise, why add to it unecessarily.

[Liquorice]

31. She shouldn't be left alone with her kids ever again. Here is her MySpace

page:
http://www.myspace.com/keemonta

[McCamy Taylor]

32. WTF? That was child abuse. The Old Testament does not tell mothers to do it themselves.

That is one sick and twisted woman who needs to be watched closely.

[cali]

33. She's mentally ill. She clearly needs more than being "watched closely".