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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:09 PM
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FDR Tackled a Jobs Crisis By Putting Americans to Work — Not Handing Out Pinkslips
FDR Tackled a Jobs Crisis By Putting Americans to Work — Not Handing Out Pinkslips
By David Woolner
David Woolner is a Senior Fellow and Hyde Park Resident Historian for the Roosevelt Institute.
August 15, 2011


.... given the political gridlock in Washington and the inability and/or unwillingness of the leadership on both sides of the political aisle to face the real crisis we face today — the jobs crisis — the prospects for a meaningful recovery seem remote at best. Many economists predict that the US will slide back into a recession. This is bad news for the millions upon millions of Americans who are out of work; bad news as well for the millions of young people just entering the work force. For the first time since the Great Depression, we face the ugly prospect of the loss of skills that often comes with long term unemployment or the lack of meaningful career opportunities for our youth.

One would think that in the face of such a calamity our government would do everything within its power to expand or at least maintain the workforce. But with the current Administration having embraced the mantra of deficit reduction and budget slashing, and with one branch of Congress ideologically opposed to government intervention in the economy, government layoffs, especially at the state and local level, are actually pushing up the rate of unemployment.

Over three quarters of a century ago, when faced with a similar jobs deficit, Franklin Roosevelt used the power of the federal government to do just the opposite — to put people to work. Under the auspices of such New Deal programs as the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) or the Works Progress Administration (WPA) millions of Americans found meaningful employment restoring our nation’s forests and watersheds and building the economic infrastructure we needed to grow the economy well into the future. Equally important, the skills required to build the 1000s of bridges, roads, schools, airports, dams and other key pieces of economic infrastructure necessary for a modern economy were not lost to that generation.

The national unemployment rate has now been at roughly 9 percent for more than two years. By any measure such a statistic — which tells us little about the millions of under employed or those who have given up looking for work — constitutes a national crisis. Yet all we hear about these days in Washington is the need to cut government spending (including federal aid to states) and reduce the deficit. Following this false logic will lay off more workers in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Given the dire state of affairs, the American people are right to fear the future. In addition to a jobs deficit, we now face a deficit of leadership at a time when we can least afford it.

Read the full article at:

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/650575/fdr_tackled_a_jobs_crisis_by_putting_americans_to_work_%E2%80%94_not_handing_out_pinkslips/#paragraph4
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:25 PM
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1. True, but remember,
FDR was a Democrat.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:19 PM
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27. So, so true.
- K&R
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BigGovtFan Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 03:38 PM
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34. WWII helped get the US out of the depression as well.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 05:00 PM
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41. Or a 91% tax rate. With the notion that WW2 is what got us out of a depression then how would one
Explain how Iraq and Afghanistan got us into a depression.
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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 08:22 PM
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54. Not sure I follow your logic. Wasn't it the housing market crashing
that started this whole current mess? Toxic assets, TARP, bank bailouts, etc?

The coming second crash seems to be driven by the Eurozone going down the drain.

The war spending has been a huge albatross hanging around our neck, no doubt.
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Lunabelle Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 03:46 PM
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35. Bwhahahaha
Hmm.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 07:54 PM
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53. Precisely
:applause:
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:28 PM
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2. Rec'd to 0. Sorry, FDR. Don't be bringing that government that puts people to work around
here. We're satisfied to wait and wait and wait for the market to work its magic. Suffering is good for the working class soul.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:31 PM
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3. Rec to 0, too. They are busy
little bees tonight.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:32 PM
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4. Recommend. nt
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:59 PM
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5. kick and frigging REC! n/t
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:03 PM
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6. Rec'd - and a big thank you for posting this spot on piece!
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:28 PM
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7. Not everyone
If one were to take an absolutist position based on discrimination- for example, they would probably have as bad an attitude toward FDR as some here have toward president Obama.
When people with disabilities applied to the WPA, their applications were stamped with the word "handicapped" and they were denied any further consideration. This, despite the fact that the president himself had a disability.
Further, social security law was written with disability defined as unable to work and gain income rather than having a condition that may interfere - but employment could be achieved with some accommodations. Kind of like the ones that the president himself used.

Of course, it was not practical for FDR to demand equality for people with disabilities when there was a majority trying to feed their families, etc. Does anyone believe there would have been a WPA if they had made it a point to include people with disabilities?

As a person with a disability I may have taken personal offense and been angry at that time. But, in retrospect, I can see the larger context. And I am very sure that with all things considered a lot of good came of it. I do have hope that we can someday change that definition in SS law. FDR's policy is one that created and continues institutional discrimination against people with disabilities.

For all the good it has done, I think it is important to consider context.

The WPA was not a cure all.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:43 PM
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10. So do you think President Obama should advocate bold and massive WPA type public works programs?
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:57 PM
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11. Of course
I would love to see that. The point is I acknowledge how difficult it is right now. There is no way he could get anything that is perceived to be akin to the WPA.
With that in mind, I am more supportive of what is a formally proposed possible than an idea that would not gain traction.
The best opportunity is for congress to pass the transportation infrastructure bills. Some may scream that it isn't enough, but I am pointing out that the contextual reality limits possibilities.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 02:56 AM
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13. Nah, because to do that, we'd need some revenue, and
We sure don't want to have any of our millionaire or billionaires spending sleepless nights, worrying about how they'll make ends meet should the tax load on them edge up higher.

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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:10 PM
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24. I sure do.
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FrodosPet Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 10:23 PM
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58. The conservatives say "It's Socialism"
But really, it was not replacing private enterprise and private employment - it was providing employment that private employers couldn't or wouldn't do.

People had to work, and work HARD, for their money. And the ultimate goal was to get them back into private employment.

I've found a site that has some of the information and booklets from the WPA itself.

http://www.gjenvick.com/WPA-WorksProgressAdministration/index.html
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 04:35 PM
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40. FDR actually messed up, all in all
He saved the system that failed all of the workers in this country. He had a messy start of it, and lots of people probably died who didn't need to.

That said, if we are determined to keep this lousy economic system, we could have used his policies that worked when the crash happened to fix it.

That, of course, would only have happened if this crash hadn't been deliberate.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:35 PM
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8. K&R n/t
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:41 PM
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9. When enough people are starving to death they will be willing to work
for peanuts, or just plain peas, and the Globalists will have accomplished their goal. A cheap workforce in the US where Big Corps can finally stay and still make the huge profits they make now in third world countries where the labor is cheap.

The only way to stop them is to form Global Unions where people all over the world join forces and demand proper living standards. Let it be the Corps that have nowhere to go. They were ahead of the people for a long time, and if they were not doing this now in first world countries, poor people in third world countries would have lived their lives out in poverty and squalor, but now we have an opportunity to lift everyone up. I have a feeling it will be happening in the not-too-distand future.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 09:32 AM
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18. Agree, and a cheap work force should begin at the TOP.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 06:09 PM
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48. And there is the very nut of it. There is no way around it.
When "free market" only means free capital, the labor force has no leverage.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 10:59 PM
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12. Rec n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 06:11 AM
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14. roosevelt cared for this nation and it`s people
today the president cares only for the wealthy and himself.

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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 05:54 PM
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47. It will be interesting to see what happens with the USPS and their
unions..If Obama does not stand strong with the union he might as well pull a LBJ act and declare he will not seek a second term because any hopes to be reelected will not happen without Union support..
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 09:20 AM
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16. Yep, lots of us here don't get it. Welcome to DU!
Edited on Tue Aug-16-11 09:21 AM by Zorra
:hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 11:02 AM
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 02:53 PM
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31. You are not the only FDR Democrat here, welcome kindred stranger! I must warn you tho:
Any Democrat that is to the left of Lieberman is now considered "the left fringe". We are called "haters" and "racists" among other things by the Republicans - er I mean Centrists around here that fully support any trickle down economic theory that Obama gravitates towards.

We FDR types were once the Democratic party (damn near the entire party), but since the Republicans started kicking out everyone but fascists and religious freaks some began calling themselves Democrats and formed clicks like the DLC and the "Third Way" and used http://www.correntewire.com/why_its_feature_not_bug_koch_family_funds_dlc">corporate money
to take over the leadership of our party, it was a Republican coup but no one notices because the republicans in this case are wearing a false flag and run as Democrats.

We have to take our party back and kick out the Republicans hopefully forcing them to run as the Republicans they are.

We need you in the fight
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 11:02 AM
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GoodActor Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 11:03 AM
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21. Excuse double post.
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julian09 Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 04:05 PM
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38. Should train on the job for unemployment benefits beyond 12 months
Workers would get training and taxpayers would get something for their money.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 09:22 AM
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17. He didn't funnel it through the private sector either, he did it direct.
Our private sector is a hose full of holes.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 11:37 AM
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22. That is not the way of the Corporate New Democrats.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 11:39 AM
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23. BHO is proud that 90% of the stimulus moniey went through private enterprise
Need I say more?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 12:38 PM
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25. FDR HAD A >70% DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS THROUGHOUT HIS PRESIDENCY!!!!!
Bashers of course could care less about this fact, just bash and move
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:22 PM
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28. Sadly it's like talking to a brick wall
The lack of understanding of how bills become a law here at DU is breathtaking. And even then, when such fails time and time again in the teabagger House, this is dismissed because the POTUS is (in their reality) a dictator and can unilaterally enact the law anyway. :crazy:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 02:00 PM
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30. There wasn't always a Teabagger House and the President still refuses to even countermand Reagan's
ban on direct work programs. He steadfastly refuses to even try to move the dialog, it is a great failure.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 06:53 PM
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50. You neglect to mention the 40-some Blue Dogs
who blocked every progressive piece of legislation that came from the administration until half of them were replaced with teabaggers in 2010.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 05:16 PM
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45. Oh for god's sake.
He started out with majorities in both houses of Congress. And before you start wailing about "veto proof majorities," how the hell do you think you GET a veto-proof majority?

Hint: It's not by parroting Republican talking points and backing bogus Republican solutions to economic problems.

He LOST his majorities in 2010 because he failed to act like a Democrat. He did not even TRY to change the national conversation. Instead, he validated every fucking Republican lie about this economy, and as a result we are now facing cruel and massive spending cuts that will probably shove us into a double-dip recession.

He is a Third Wayer. He is not working for us.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 07:23 PM
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52. Like talking to a brick wall, isn't it?
:evilgrin:
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WiffenPoof Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 09:47 PM
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56. You Hit The Nail On The Head n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:12 PM
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26. Proud Mainstream Center FDR/LBJ Pro-Working Class DEMOCRAT here.
"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

*The right of every family to a decent home;

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

*The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.

For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world."--FDR, 1944


How FAR we have fallen. :cry:


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 01:41 PM
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29. He handed out work for money, NOT JUST HANDING OUT MONEY.
RepubliCONS will not allow US to hand out work for money.

They will, however, hand allow US to hand out money and then they will instill hatred for handing out money.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 03:34 PM
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33. K&R
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 03:59 PM
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36. and this is a Fact that can't be Disputed
what COngress and the President are doing today is the opposite... I really wish they all could have tested their theory in a controlled setting, one in which human life was not the guinea pig!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 04:00 PM
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37. True -- but this administration is working on REVERSING New Deal ... not recovering it -- !!
Imagine that some began by comparing Obama to FDR -- !!! Yikes!!

Nothing could be further from the truth!!

This is the anti-FDR!


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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 04:06 PM
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39. K&R
:kick:
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 05:02 PM
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42. Well, FDR "welcomed the hatred" of
the Wall Streeters and financial elites. The Current Occupant wants to be BFFs with them. There's your difference. :eyes:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 05:04 PM
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43. Not only are they cutting budgets, there has been a Federal hiring freeze
at many agencies. They are actively trying to shrink the workforce even further.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 05:10 PM
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44. Really, all by himself?
He got to play benevolent dictator?

I don't think even in the depression that the American People allowed that.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 05:35 PM
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46. End the vicious cycles of poverty and unemployment. K&R.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 06:48 PM
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49. K&R
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 07:07 PM
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51. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 08:24 PM
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55. and swingin on Republican meat
Edited on Tue Aug-16-11 08:25 PM by upi402
tired of this song. disenfranchised by a false choice between a Republican and a lunatic for decades now.
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FrodosPet Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 10:11 PM
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57. Interesting page about the WPA circa 1939
http://www.gjenvick.com/WPA-WorksProgressAdministration/Booklets/Questions-Answers-WPA/1939-04-17/02-WPA-Employment-WagesAndHours.html

Questions and Answers on the WPA - Works Progress Administraion - 1939 - WPA Employment, Wages and Hours

Who is eligible for WPA employment?
Any American citizen, or other person owing allegiance to the United States, who is 18 years of age or older, able-bodied, unemployed, and currently certified as in need.

How many members of a family are eligible for WPA employment?
Only one, usually the head of the family. The mother or a grown son or daughter is regarded as the economic head of the family if the father is unable to work.

How many workers are employed at one time by the WPA?
The number has fluctuated, from as low as 1,450,000 in October 1937 to as high as 3,250,000 in November 1938. There were about 3,000,000 WPA workers in March 1939.

What percentage of WPA workers are men? Women?
Men, 87 percent; women, 13 percent (December 1938).

What is the average WPA wage?
The average monthly WPA wage is about $52.50. (See next question.)

Do all WPA workers receive the same monthly wage?
No. The monthly earnings vary according to the degree of skill required by the job, and also according to the region and size of community in which the work is done. In large Northern cities the wages run from $55 a month for unskilled work to $94 for professional and technical work, while in Northern rural districts the range is from $40 to $60. In the South the range in large cities is from $40 to $79, in rural districts from $26 to $48.

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$52.50 doesn't seem like much today, but back in 1939, that was the equivalent of $831.69 (almost $10k a year) in 2011. Employing 20 million people at $10K a year would only cost $200,000,000,000 (less than a third of the bank bailout) and get 20 MILLION PEOPLE back to work plus all the people that would be employed by the infusion of $200 Billion of spending power into the economy.

Double the wage, and that is still only $400 Billion to put 20 million people to work on building roads, bridges, community centers, parks, sewers, cleaning up trash, planting trees, clearing brush etc.
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