Supreme Court Nominees 2013-2017

[Pryderi]

Think about it when you continue to bash President Obama.

[Liberal Veteran]

1. KnR and I don't give a shit anymore who flames me, I agree.

[Auntie Bush]

38. I agree too. It's always on my mind.

I wonder how so many here are against Obama? I can see disagreeing with him but not bashing his head against the wall and giving ReThugs ammunition to use against him. If you can't vote for Obama himself... vote for his vote to pick the next SCJ. Even if his choice isn't Progressive enough it will be a lot better than a Rethug appointment. It confounds me why people here on DU can't seem to understand this or remember it.

[Skink]

2. That was my number one reason for voting for him.

If he gets another pick I'd like to see him nominate himself.

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[Liberal Veteran]

7. Attla was the worst Hun ever.

[Tiggeroshii]

15. If they're dead it's too late.

Ginsburg has had some serious illnesses if you've paid attention.She has battled cancer twice, and is the oldest justice on the court. There is a good chance she wouldn't last through another presidential term. Not only that, Scalia is the second oldest. He and Thomas will likely be waiting for the right time to resign. However, if Ginsburg's replacement is not done by a Democratic president, it's likely we will never see a liberal majority in the Supreme Court for the rest of any of our lives.

If you put much thought into the reason why things are the way they are, you might be able to reference a few recent Supreme Court rulings that would remind you. Citizens United has essentially tilted elections to Republicans in the immediate future, and if that is not reversed soon, then we will all be fucked. So much is done by the courts that it almost doesn't matter what policies are enacted by the president in the long term, but rather who they appoint as justice.

Please think before you decide to vote(or not), because it is not just your idealism represented in one person that would be lost. Everything this country is founded on -and it's basic principles will be at stake.

DAMMMIT THEIR GONE! =(

[Ozymanithrax]

4. Perry or Bachman's nominees would be terrible...

People criticizing Obama here are not the reason his approval ratings are dropping.

It's the economy, unemployment, and the fears of people for their jobs. It is the perception that Obama is not doing what he needs to do.

His fate will hinge on the economy.

At this time, I think it will be a close election.

[AlmostUlyanov]

47. Chief Justice George W. Bush

:scared:

[Ozymanithrax]

48. From Perry's point of view, W is too liberal.

Also, Roberts is Chief Justice and will remain so for at least 20 years. Bush will not be nominated and would not want the job.

Any judge on the appeal courts nominated by Bush who ruled to overthrow "Obamacare" or Roe V. Wade, or both will be their nominee.

[MineralMan]

5. K&R. And that's just one issue where it makes a difference.

Thanks!

[William769]

6. Lets see now, a Republican President or a Democratic President that capitulates to Republicans.

I think we are screwed either way.

[Motown_Johnny]

8. Sotomayor and Kagan were capitulations?

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[William769]

13. The Jury's still out on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid

And he is the one that put those items on the table. He may just get his time machine after all.

[Liberal Veteran]

16. I suspect there already is a time machine.

I coulda swore that goalpost was right there by that line in the sa....wait. It moved again!

[vi5]

11. Actually, yes.

Were they the best, most liberal judges available for the bench? Or were they the judges that he thought he could get approved through the Senate? If the latter then yes it was a capitulation. Just because they weren't horrible doesn't mean that he didn't factor in whether he could get Republican approval for them. Which like it or not, is a capitulation.

Would you say Bush did the same with Roberts and Alito? Or did he nominate them and then work the refs and dare the Democrats to fillibuster them?

[Tiggeroshii]

17. Um do they vote with the liberal side of the court 100% of the time?

I'd say they were a good bet.

Also please keep in mind that it's the voting record that matters, they're background rarely matters. Because every liberal judge will vote with a liberal, no matter their background.

Also, it's the Supreme Court that generally sets the trends on some of the most basic issues...

[Liberal Veteran]

20. Pfft. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!

[vi5]

21. That wasn't the question.

The question was whether or not they were capitulations to Republicans. And because by most accounts he based his choices on who he could get approved with Republican support, the answer to that question is yes.

[Tiggeroshii]

22. Capitulation to Republicans would be picking somebody who votes with conservatives, would it not?

If you want to see a capitulation(in this case it's the other way), look up Justice Souter. Because that, my friend, is a capitulation. Obama knew damn well how both those judges would vote. And in the Supreme Court, that's ALL that matters...

[William769]

27. Promises change, changes promise.

It's only the beginning.

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/92510/archives/2011/08/01/monday-must-read-obama-capitulates-to-gop-debt-ceiling-deal-likely-will-hurt-economy

[Tiggeroshii]

29. Yes that is bad. But this does not have anything to do with the Supreme Court.

I agree he might "capitulate" on some things, but when it's all said and done, the Supreme Court decides things. Not the president. Which is why getting a liberal majority in the supreme court is so much more important then having Dennis Kucinich be elected.

[William769]

30. I fear it's only the beginning.

Once you go down that slippery slope it's hard to return to the top.

[Tiggeroshii]

31. There is no slippery slope. If you remember, the whole concept of a slippery slope is a fundamental

flaw of reason. A logical fallacy. Reason being: You cannot predict the future to know what will happen if the different possible options are taken. (Mean-spirited comment removed upon further reflection).

[William769]

34. So now you want to try to make me look ignorant?

"Middle school debate clubs were a long time ago."

All I'll say is since you want to take it to the least common denominator, I'll leave you with this.

Careful with that light at the end of the tunnel, it might be another train coming.

[Tiggeroshii]

36. Actually, I agree...

That was a screwed up comment, and I hope you accept my apology. =)

[Liberal Veteran]

35. Well, I guess that puts us on the horns of a dilemma?

We can take our chances with President Obama or put the decision into the "capable" hands of republicans.

Seems like a pretty easy call from my vantage point.

[Liberal Veteran]

25. Well, one could argue that unless Obama nominates the desiccated corpse of FDR to SCOTUS...

...he's caved to right wing.

:rofl:

[William769]

28. “He who laughs last didn't get it”

[polmaven]

33. He certainly did it

with Harriet Miers. Of COURSE the likelihood of approval is always taken into consideration. The nominee can't take the seat if s/he isn't approved. And just look at the fiasco the Miers selection was, and how much of a laughing stock it became.

[Pryderi]

44. Capitulation? What do you call Roberts and Alito? n/t

[Odin2005]

9. Corporatist-Centrist judges like Sotomayor and Kagan are hardly any better than wing-nuts.

Remember Kelo v. City of New Castle, when all the "liberal" judges were OK with using Eminent Domain to give land to corporations?

[Liberal Veteran]

12. Really? Hardly any better than Scalia or Alito or Thomas? Really?

:wtf:

[Tiggeroshii]

18. I think people like to ignore voting records or something...

Because if they were to pay attention to Citizens United, and similar rulings and how those judges voted, you would see they were much better than if an Alito was in place.

[Odin2005]

19. Look up Kelo v. New Castle. The only justice that went against was a RWer.

[Liberal Veteran]

23. Were Kagan and Sotamayor taking the time machine out for a spin?

[Odin2005]

24. I was talking about the so-called "liberal" justices in general, not the 2 new ones.

[Liberal Veteran]

26. I assume we are talking about Kelo v. New London?

If so, O'Connor, Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas make up the one judge that dissented?

[Odin2005]

37. DOPE, my bad!

Shoot me, please, I'm an idiot.

[Pab Sungenis]

39. Scalia, Alto, and Thomas oppose gay marriage.

So does Elena Kagan.

For me, she's no better.

[Liberal Veteran]

40. Really? Kagan is no better than the guy who said Tx should be able to outlaw gay sex?

I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around that notion.

[Pab Sungenis]

41. There's one major issue as far as the courts are concerned.

That's marriage. Without that right I am a second class citizen.

Sodomy laws are not before the Court, nor are they coming back. Marriage is, and Kagan has the same position (that there is no Constitutional right for gays to marry) as Alito, Scalia, Thomas, and Roberts.

[BzaDem]

42. I'm pretty sure regardless of your quote, that Kagan would vote for gay marriage on the court.

[Pab Sungenis]

46. We'll see.

Until then.

The fact that Obama would appoint someone whose commitment to an issue like that could be called into question in the first place is a disgrace. There are so many qualified liberals who deserved that seat.

[BzaDem]

49. Anyone who actually committed to voting for or against gay marriage on the court would have to

recuse themselves from deciding the issue. In other words, the only way the legal status of gay marriage is going to change at the Supreme Court is if he DOES appoint someone for which there is a question. I think Kagan is just as likely to vote for gay marriage as any other liberal, but if he appoints someone who has previously committed then we lose the case.

[Firebrand Gary]

14. Well, all I can say is that 2013-2017 is not the problem.

If you cannot get a conformation vote on your nominees. THINK BIGGER! Not only is re electing Obama a given, but we must get our 60+ Senate seat back. What we did in 08 was incredible, if we do it again, tweak some of the campaign strategies, we can not only win the House, the White House but WE CAN get our SUPER MAJORITY back in the Senate. It's doable folks.

So the question belongs to us, how hard shall we fight?

[Pab Sungenis]

32. Ah, four more

Elena Kagans. Just think of it.

If his choices were better I'd be more excited.

[MrMickeysMom]

43. Seems like our Senate didn't have a good track record...

...when the Democrats were in control of that decision. Look how we're paying for it,

You are reaching when you wag for finger with the statement. It simply is too late. LOOK at the the SCOTUS has done to us, based on a Democratically controlled nomination process.

[Toucano]

45. Yep. Fire up the base with fear of the SCOTUS boogey man

Not very original, really. I've read that book before when it was called Bill Clinton. Something tells me it won't be as effective this time around.



ANOTHER destructive free-trade agreement is Obama's "jobs solution" now.

Think about it while you bite your tongue, and hide in the corner like a battered, Bible-belt wife.

"That's quite a shiner you've got there! Did you walk into the door again, sweetie, or did you fall down the stairs this time?"

[Pryderi]

50. Yeah, I'd love to see President Perry's nominations. n/t

[Toucano]

51. Hmmhmm. The other bastard will always treat you like the Queen you be.

You done been beet on so much, you don't know if youz comin' or goin'!

You keep dat big mouf still an' maybe he don't hit you so hard nex'time.

Da' devil you no'ze OWAYZE better'en da devil you gots ta be sceered of. Dat done been prooved!

You no he really luv you gurl! Dat be why he hit so up'side da head so much...keepz you payin' 'tenshin! He a guud daddi, yessir.

[Pryderi]

52. Reality sucks I know, but those rainbow-shitting unicorns don't seem to be riding to the rescue.

You might want to lower your standards a little.

[Firebrand Gary]

53. K&R I agree