If your mad a Obama, will you stay home and let a republican back in the WH?

[warrior1]

Being mad and disappointment in Obama, and believe me I feel he could have done better, but I am not going to stay home. We need to give him more democrats in the house and senate to work with.

Who's with me?

[Cleita]

1. No, I never do that and I always vote for the Democrat

even if I have to hold my nose to do so. Obama will get my vote or whichever Democrat is on the ticket in the general election.

[StopTheNeoCons]

19. +1

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. I totally agree!

:hi:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. I am very disappointed in him...but I will still vote for him.

I'm with you.

[warrior1]

4. that's what I say

we can afford another repuke. They screw everything up, again.

[warrior1]

5. people

that unrec. are mad, is that all you got? You would cut your own noses off, I swear to dog.

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[warrior1]

8. I understand you want someone different

that's not going to happen. So you'll let a republican in the WH again?

[kickysnana]

58. A Democratic challenger has to happen or were doomed. n/t

[Blue-Jay]

75. DOOMED!!!

This fuckin' place is too silly.

[kickysnana]

103. Young, healthy, employed right?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1744572

[Tx4obama]

12. Bernie is an Independent, not a Democrat. n/t

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[roamer65]

34. I'll vote for other offices on the ballot.

I haven't made up my mind yet on the presidency. I am in the "undecided" category.

[warrior1]

7. it is really

scary that people would opt out of voting for a democrat.

Have you forgotten how we got here? Bush and his policies. Imagine, a Bachmann, Perry, Romney...scary right.

[Travis_0004]

23. I guess it depends on what state you live in.

California will always go democrat, Texas will always go Republican. In those states, your vote for president doesn't really matter. You should still vote, and there are many other important races/issues, but not voting won't change who wins the presidency in those states.

[LooseWilly]

86. The state you live in may not matter so much in the near future...

Here in CA Jerry Brown recently signed a law to award all of CA electoral votes to whichever candidate wins the most votes nationwide, not just the most votes in the state.

"Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation this morning committing California to an interstate compact to award electoral votes to the presidential candidate who wins the most votes nationwide.

The agreement would become effective only if states possessing a majority of the nation's 538 Electoral College votes agree. Eight other states and the District of Columbia have signed on, committing 74 electoral votes. The bill Brown signed today adds California's 55."

(Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2011/08/jerry-brown-signs-popular-vote.html#ixzz1V4snMsNt)

So... that's 129 of the 270 required electoral college votes that've signed on... if it passes then it won't be 50%+1 votes in enough states... but an actual 50%+1.

Ironically, a measure to help prevent a re-run of 2000 might make it harder for Democrats to piss on the interests of the left... continue to piss on the interests of the left... with impunity. When the enthusiastic conservatives of Kansas can offset the votes of the moderates in California, and the left can't be bothered to vote for anyone but third party candidates, then California's 55 electoral votes will go... to Republicans.

The question now is whether the DLC will turn out to be more afraid of the Right winning representation, or the Left...

[zappaman]

9. Happily K & R! n/t

[meow mix]

10. yes because i vote from home.. letting the republican back in the WH is the fault of Obama.

by pursuing his "neo-democrat" agenda... and ruining our chance at reality-based policys.

[Ozymanithrax]

11. I may not vote for Obama, but I won't stay home...

Having seen what Republicans can do with just the House, we should consider revising where the power is. A party dedicated to doing something in charge with just the House can raise a lot of hell.

This, by the way, is more in line the how the balance of power was before FDR. FDR initiated the age of the U.S. empire and ascendancy of the Executive branch.

[warrior1]

14. people seem

to forget how bad is was under Bush. Obama was given a monumental amount of work to do, with impossibly the most obstructive congress in history. I don't blame him for any of this, I blame the congress.

[Ozymanithrax]

28. I have not fogotten how bad it was under Bush...

The question is whether or not Obama is the right person for the job.

A President who hates Confrontation isn't goint to do well.

Compromise is necessary in our system, but the President should not begin compromise by offering the other side its wet dream.

See (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1739507) here at DU for a New York Times Article White House Debates Fight on Economy.
"As the economy worsens, President Obama and his senior aides are considering whether to adopt a more combative approach on economic issues, seeking to highlight substantive differences with Republicans in Congress and on the campaign trail rather than continuing to pursue elusive compromises,"

I did not vote for George McFly to be President. "I'm afraid I'm just not very good at... confrontations. ..."

[Cosmocat]

63. 535 to 1 ...

EVERY republican in congress (over half of them) DEAD set against him, and most of his own party members either flat bought like like the repubilcans or scared of their own shadows like the republicans ...

But, it makes sense to DEMOCRATS to bag on the guy ...

WHISKY
TANGO
FOXTROT

[MessiahRp]

83. So let's see: Obama, not bought even though he has corporate cronies all around him...

Dems in congress, bought. Even the liberals and progressives that stand up against most of this corporate corruption that Obama refuses to fight.

Makes sense. If you are on serious drugs.

Rp

[Cosmocat]

88. Did I post ALL dems ...

Create the false premise to support your point ...

Yes, BO absolutely has too much corporate backing for my tastes ...

But, point stands, he can only sign what Congress gives him ...

Sorry, the sainted great progressives/liberals like Bernie Sanders face the game math, what, 25-30 to 500?

Put arrows in the PRESIDENT, who SIGNS the bills, and help enable getting Rick Perry in there ...

[abelenkpe]

13. I'm voting straight democratic as always

But still pretty disappointed. Hopefully more dems in congress will help.

[warrior1]

15. More dems

would be better. Also, remember how many of bills got passed in the Pelosi congress, just to die by the threat filibuster in the senate.

[LonePirate]

16. Obama will lose my red state by 10 or more points so I will vote for the most progressive candidate

[AsahinaKimi]

17. Will always vote Democratic

The nightmare would be seeing Bachmann or any of the other crazies end up in the WH.

[Firebrand Gary]

18. I am voting Dem all the way down the ticket.

[Fearless]

20. He is a Republican. I will not vote for Republicans.

[sethgrogen]

45. i agree. i won't vote repub. therefore i can't vote for obama.

As for voting in more Dems to the house and senate- we did that when we voted Obama in. I'll vote dem downline from the pres but Obama is the problem.

[kath]

80. Nor will I.

To do so would give tacit approval for the shit he's pulled.

[kenny blankenship]

93. That's it in a nutshell. Let Republicans vote for Republicans.

I'm not subsidizing the knife in my back, and I won't give my consent to or endorse a Reaganite mole with my vote.

[trud]

22. I'm writing in or voting third party

How long does it take for people to realize that the campaign slogan "The Other Guy is Worse," has left us electing more and more to the right "Democratic" candidates?

At some point we have to say, No more. If there's enough of an exodus of us f*ing retards, either the Democratic Party will wake up and smell the coffee, or we will really have a viable left third party. If the TeaBaggers can do it, so can we. That's called taking the long term view, like surgery to cut out cancer.

[patrice]

42. "viable" is a big leap of faith. nt

[trud]

67. viable

We don't need a majority. Just enough, like the baggers, to have influence.

[dameocrat67]

66. Thats right

there are downticket races to worry about and more local dems are generally not sellouts in my state.

[mmonk]

24. I plan to vote for my Rep in Congress. No plans currently to vote in the Senate race.

Then I guess I'll go local because it's obvious that is where change has to start.

[warrior1]

27. can I ask you

to wait before you decide to stay home, or do a protest vote, until we know who the republican will be? Listen to Obama and the other candidate. Be reminded again what he actually was able to get done despite the republicans.

Will you admit later, that you changed your mind?

Please give him another chance. That's all I'm asking. Give him more democrats to work with. We need the momentum after he is out to get another democrat in the WH.

[mmonk]

36. I did not say I was staying home. I couldn't vote for my Congressional rep

if I did that. I will not, however, let my vote do harm if I am aware it will to things such as social security, medicare, medicaid and such in these tough times. If two candidates on opposing sides will do harm to it, then I will sit out that vote. I have to live with myself and not lose who I am.

[kath]

82. "Democrats" had both houses for the first two years of his term - just how well did that work out,

huh? DId the Repugs still run the show?

[TheKentuckian]

25. I have never stayed home but enthusiastically supporting Obama put a Republican in the White House

If he is not removed then a Republican will be in the White House, regardless if they claim to be a Democrat, a Teabagger, a "centrist", a libertarian, "pro-business", a secessionist, or a Republican.

Republican is as Republican does. There is currently one direction on the menu but there are some choices of side dishes but the entree is the same open faced shit sandwich.

[kath]

84. "enthusiastically supporting Obama put a Republican in the White House"- Yep. Sad but true.

[Proactive Citizen]

26. I won't stay home and not vote but it's going to take alot more then that

I will still vote even though I believe it means less and less as time goes on. But we have been talking and voting for the last four years. Look what it has gotten. Keep doing it, but it is NOW TIME TO DO SOMETHING MORE!! I for one am ready to take to the streets and hopefully I don't have to do it by myself cause that would look stupid. I was just wondering WHERE the HELL all you baby boomers went? If this is all we did during the 60s would there have been a Civil Right Movement. I guarentee not. I'm not mad at you baby boomers I am very very disapointed! That's coming from generation X. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You did your part during the 60s, but are doing nothing now. Your not dead so you have no excuse. I want to be apart of or even talk about starting a REAL grass roots movement. PATRIOTISM IS MORE THEN A BLEEPING BUMPER STICKER!

Thank you,

Extremely Fed Up Citizen

[charmay]

29. I don't want what's happened in Wisconsin

to happen to the entire country. I will support and vote for all democrats including Obama. He may be more centrist than I would like, but he is a democrat, and therefore, better than any republican.

[CelticThunder]

30. I've learned that my vote for Obama was a nothing but a vote for Regugs. So no I won't vote for him

again. I don't vote for Dems who sell us out over and over and over again to Repugs.

[patrice]

41. Then, you won't mind that fact being used as a litmus test by others considering whether to work

with you after that.

If you're proud of your decision, that litmus test shouldn't bother you and you would see that what is true for you is also true for others when it comes to deciding whether to work with people who contribute to success or are just along for the ride.

[Romulox]

43. Um, who wants to "work with" (read: receive money from) the US Chamber of Commerce?

When we can see every day that such money definitely comes with strings attached. I'm not a religious man, but the following seems apt: "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

:shrug:

[patrice]

52. At the level I'm talking about no one is being paid for anything & I/others are very clear in speaki

ng against CoC and that includes the signs that we use on the streets.

[CelticThunder]

54. I don't know WTF you are even talking about.

[patrice]

55. I get to know the people I help. I ask them questions. Just as you say you don't help those with who

m you disagree, neither do others, so it is legitimate to ask and if someone is proud of their vote/non-vote they will tell the truth.

[Vinca]

31. I will vote against the Republican . . . er, the one running as a Republican.

[Trajan]

32. Yes ...

I mean, no ....

[HockeyMom]

33. Native New Yorker

now with Rick Scott as a Govenor. I would have to be OUT OF MY FRIGGIN mind to vote for any TeaBagger over Obama, no matter how "bad" he is. I am not STUPID.

[ThePhilosopher04]

35. Yes, I will stay home!!!...

Sometimes you have to let the house burn to the ground before you can rebuild...a vote for Obama would be voting for status quo, and I'd much rather take a step back, rally, and support a true progressive in 2016. I'm well aware of the damage that could be done in those four years, but at least I'll know who the enemy is...right now I feel like I'm being poisoned by my own.

[Erose999]

72. You really should vote for the congressional seats though. You can write-in or not vote for POTUS

[patrice]

37. I am glad that this has now become much more about who each of us is and the WORK that we do.My vote

will support that, because Republicans are authoritarians, no matter what kind of window-dressing they put on it, they will exclude and dis-empower the People, especially Labor.

So, even though I'm NOT happy with the evolution of several issues, this vote is a no-brainer for me.

[Turbineguy]

38. Sure,

stay home and drink tea. With the teabaggers.

[Odin2005]

39. Unrec for baiting progressive posters into getting TS'ed.

[gulliver]

47. Why would a progressive not vote for Obama?

That's a contradiction in terms. I'm progressive/liberal and therefore vote Obama. Not voting Obama is not progressive/liberal. It's Republican. We need to use the right terminology. It's not fair if Republicans start calling themselves progressive/liberal. Not to mention confusing.

[Odin2005]

51. Obama is a corporatist "New Democrat", not a progressive.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

64. plus 1!

[ThatsMyBarack]

40. Of course not.

[gulliver]

44. Straight Dem ticket n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. I always vote..for the candidate that earns my vote.

But, I still have the archaic notion that my vote belongs to me, not to some party or candidate.

[awoke_in_2003]

48. the only people who stayed at home in 2010...

were the so called independents, whom both parties rely on. The left voted, as we always do. But people keep aiming their piss in our direction.

[Exilednight]

49. Un rec for flaimbait.

And if you're going to post crap like this, at least use proper English. It's you're, not your.

[XanaDUer]

50. I'm not staying home

I am pretty disgusted. But, what to do? Hand it over to the craaazeeees? No.

[upi402]

53. We are disenfranchised by a black man, oh the irony!

I wont throw my vote away on a DINO who is taking away our chance at an opposition party.
I'll vote for a real Dem if I have to write one in... or an Independant, or a Green, ad infinitum.

[warrior1]

57. If you think it is

bad under Barack, think about a republican.


He's just not as bad as people think.

[upi402]

60. Cool, you see my point. our choice has been removed

there is no hope of change when one party is corporatist...
and the other is batshit crazy.

my .02 anyhow-
People see what they want to believe.

[Pushed To The Left]

56. I think a Sarah Palin situation--a wackadoodle nomination on the GOP side--will lead to re-election

The only way I wouldn't vote for the Democratic Presidential candidate in a general election is if somehow the Republicans nominated somebody to the left of the Democrat. My main reason for this has always been the Supreme Court. Besides the Supreme Court, another major reason I'll most I'll support Obama in the general election is that an Obama re-election will be the most crushing defeat possible for the right wing/Tea Party movement. Beating Obama is their no. 1 goal. If they fail at that, it may "break them" to use their own terminology. However, I can understand why some fellow progressives feel conflicted about supporting him and feel taken for granted.

[patrice]

59. A debt is due. They will not be taken for granted if the turn the House, at least, blue

and either keep the Senate as it is or turn it bluer.

[madrchsod]

61. i`ll vote for him but won`t work for him...

we have to fight at the state level. there is no way we can support both the state politicians and obama.

[MineralMan]

62. K&R. Fix Congress in 2012. Take back control of the House

and add to our majority in the Senate.

[dameocrat67]

65. There are other offices to vote for besides Obama and other parties as well

so no I am not staying home.

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[NuttyFluffers]

69. silly emotional blackmail.

i keep my enfranchisement, and it is earned by a candidate's past policy actions and policy principles. i do not sell it off prematurely out of party loyalty OR fear.

[BlueDemKev]

70. Of course not

The problem is liberals alone can't get Obama elected. We have to pick up a HUGE number of independent votes also. Won't be easy with the unemployment stubbornly stuck over 9% and the economy slipping into another recession.

[Erose999]

71. "Take back" suggests that they don't control it already. Whether its Obama or Romney the WH will be

under GOP control in 2012.

[lutefisk]

79. corporate subservience either way. . . nt

[kath]

85. yep. Under GOP control either way.

[Iggo]

73. Of course not. That would be stupid. (n/t)

[yardwork]

74. No.

[TomCADem]

76. When The Right Gets Mad, They Win Elections, The Left Boycotts Them!

And, when Republicans run the table, the left scratches its head and wonders why House Republicans are threatening to allow the Nation to default unless we cut trillions.

[markpkessinger]

77. The myth underlying your OP

Implicit in your OP is the notion—one that is repeated around here as if it were Received Wisdom but which does not stand up very well under critical scrutiny—that the reason Democrats suffered such huge losses in the 2010 midterms was because disaffected members of the left wing of the Democratic Party stayed home in droves, thereby handing the election to Republicans. It's a seductive myth, I suppose, particularly for those who can brook no criticism of the President whatsoever, because it allows them to ignore any and all of the President's failings while blaming the election losses on his critics. But no one has ever been able to come up with a shred of data to support that hypothesis.

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1676166

[some guy]

78. see sig.

[quiller4]

81. I'm not mad at Obama. I haven't missed an election since I

first registered in 1971. I will vote for the Democratic nominee whom I expect to be Obama.

[ZombieHorde]

87. No, but I will complain about it. nt

[hobbit709]

89. I will vote for the Democratic candidate

Even if I have to hold my nose and carry a barf bag.

[Ganja Ninja]

90. I'll be voting for a liberal progressive left winger. n/t

[Name removed]

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[RegieRocker]

92. Duped

[immoderate]

94. The revolution may be delayed if Obama is re-elected.

Something's gonna break.

--imm

[Javaman]

95. by me staying home and not voting for Obama then you asserting that the Dems will lose

because of my one vote being cast, then we have a lot bigger problems than just me not voting.

[JoePhilly]

96. Straight Dem ticket, top to bottom ... for at least the next 10 years.

I figure its going to take at least that long to kick out enough of the GOP to start to fix the mess they made.

[lib2DaBone]

97. Pakistan Showed China Downed Bin Laden-Raid Copter

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/14/report-pakistan-showed-china-helicopter_n_926756.html
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We give $3 billion a year to Pakistan, which they used to purchase fighter jets from China.


I'm sorry, I CAN NOT vote for a man that surges the war and gives away $3 Billion a year, while he cuts Social Security at home.

Can you inmagine what we could do with $3 Billion spent here at home?

[Hutzpa]

99. Then you DO NOT belong to this site

you need to find a place where they think like you, where it is acceptable to vote
against a democratic president.

[LanternWaste]

98. I'm going to wait...

I'm going to wait. I'll wait to see what happens during the campaigning season, the primary and finally during the general election.

However, since that may not fit into easily digestible "do A or B will happen" faith many appear to have, I imagine the dogmatic will simply believe I'm going to "let a republican back in the WH...", as I'm not really "with" anyone other than my own convictions. :shrug:

[rbnyc]

100. I won't stay home and neither will my mad.

:evilgrin:

[NoodleyAppendage]

101. I won't stay home. Straight down ticket Democratic, but Obama has FAILED to earn my vote.

Sorry. I refuse to reward a serial abuser.

[LWolf]

102. I always stay home.

I'm in a vote-by-mail state.

I also always vote. I never vote for Republicans.

I vote for the best candidate on the ballot. If no candidate on the ballot is worthy of my vote, I'll write in someone who is.

I gave Obama a good Democrat in the Senate to work with, replacing a Republican incumbent: Jeff Merkley replaced Gordon Smith. I haven't noticed that Obama appreciated that.

That said, please allow me to help you with your spelling and grammar. Your message carries more weight if it is written correctly:

If you're mad at Obama, will you stay home and let a Republican back in the WH?

(I'm not sure what you were trying to say here, but it needs something more; I'm guessing, so my apologies if I got your intent wrong.) I understand being mad at and disappointed in Obama, and believe me I feel he could have done better, but I am not going to stay home. We need to give him more Democrats in the House and Senate to work with. Who's with me?