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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:17 AM Original message |
A simple question to those applauding the latest decision saying the mandate is unconstitutional |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. I couldn't agree more. However, I'm PISSED off that people are saying a public option isn't |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. +1,000,000,000 = Medicare PAYMENT reform could be a door into Medicare for All, Bernie Sanders even |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Exactly. And their political games consist in benefiting corporations and the mega-rich.. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. I'm going to stop being nice to them. nt |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. we have a GOP House |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #9 |
28. and we have a bully pulpit. Oh wait, he won't use it. nt |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. NEVER. All he does is try to be nice and concede everything to the GOP |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
91. i never noticed that before |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
52. And this assinine meme keeps making the rounds |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #9 |
29. And the GOP presidents had moments of Democratic Congresses. It didn't stop them |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. The public option isn't possible with the current congress. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
30. Maybe, and maybe not. We have in office a president whose primary effort is to make the GOP happy |
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True Blue Democrat (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. Bull-fucking-shit |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. There weren't enough votes in the Senate to create a public option |
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True Blue Democrat (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Ahem. The Republicans were always threatening us with nuclear option |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. Consider this choice... |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Add VA and Indian Health Services nt |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Exactly. The system for single-payer doesn't have to be designed. It already exists. nt |
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Cool Logic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
2. "just how do you propose that people with pre existing conditions get coverage?" |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. then literally hundreds of thousands will go without insurance |
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Cool Logic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
23. I did not make my point clearly... |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
3. People who don't like it simply don't give a damn... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Not necessarily. My objection isn't to the payment |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. There was never never a chance to remove health insurance from the system... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. 'Lower profits'? No. In all other nations that mandate the |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. We are not other nations. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
35. You don't know that. A system is ALREADY IN PLACE for the public option. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Where are the votes in the House to pass it... |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Obama didn't campaign for it, never asked his base to back him for it, |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. And there were no votes to pass it... |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Do you understand that he didn't even TRY? Didn't even SAY he wanted it but there weren't votes? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. He didn't want to give those opposed to healthcare reform any specific point to rally around |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Then he should just have said, "I WANT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES OUT OF THIS... |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Then he would have to wait two more years for a new solidly progressive congress |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. That's our problem (Democrats). We won't fight. We give up and say, "Oh WELL, it's a bad Congress" |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. THE VOTES WERE NOT THERE. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. I don't care. He needed to say, "What I WOULD LIKE is a program that leaves out ins. companies... |
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JNinWB (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. You really don't have a clue |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. What I do know is the Repukes fight for everything. If we just sigh and concede.... |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. well, a lot of people here on DU has a lot of faith in the bully pulpit |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Because it was DEMOCRATS that fucked the HCR bill, too. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Who? Who specifically fucked it up? I sure as hell didn't. nt |
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True Blue Democrat (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Actually, you're dead wrong on this. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. Total bullshit. |
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True Blue Democrat (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Lieberman is not a member of the Democratic Party |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
73. Referendum. We need a lot of things to be voted on directly. nt |
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Chimichurri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
5. That's a false choice. Pre-existing conditions could be banned right now. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. not without requiring purchase |
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Chimichurri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. If that were true, no one would have insurance now. That's just nonsense. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
22. Oh dear, what a tragedy that would be. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Not with the Republican House. and not with a Senate where... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
11. "just how do you propose that people with pre existing conditions get coverage?" |
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Morning Dew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
12. Without being caught up on the latest decision.... |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
15. Please correct me if I'm wrong |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. actually there are such limits |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
77. Sorry, you are wrong. In 2014 premiums will be same whether or not you have pre-existing condition. |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I obviously missed the part where this reform will set the price for private insurance |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Crickets... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. There can be no differential for pre-existing conditions in 2014. PLUS, there are actually "price |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Who is this we that gets to shop the exchange? Most of us are locked out and are |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. +1,000,000 |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
19. Unrec because you eliminate solutions in your OP. HCR is going to have to be done right. |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
21. Do not allow pre-existing conditions to factor in health insurance |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. that sounds awesome, but how do you get that passed? |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. You can start by state. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. state by state is the best bet, i like that |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Yes, and stingy states with crappy models will lose out |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
26. A mandate is not a mandate is not a mandate. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
32. Show proof that the court struck down that aspect of the law. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
74. they don't have to |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. People will be able to do pretty much the same thing with the mandate in place. |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
38. That doesn't argue for whether its constitutional or not. Eom |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
41. The mandate should have just been called an "Emergency Room Tax". Covered people don't pay it. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. It is not, however, a tax, so they could not say that it was |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. The "punishment" IS a tax. So they absolutely could have made that claim and can still make it. |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
46. What about people living paycheck to paycheck that are determined they can "afford" insurance? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
78. The reform legislation offers plenty of subsidies. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. The legislation acknowledges that there will be those who there are not enough subsidies |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
47. SINGLE PAYER |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
48. Replace "many" with "all" |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
49. Your question is a good one but it does not change the constitution - |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-15-11 01:56 AM Response to Reply #49 |
92. You presume that this appeals court verdict will stand but that |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
50. good question- I'm not one of those applauding the decision, |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
54. I think you are confused |
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BlueDemKev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
59. +1,000,000,000,000 |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
60. The mandate is unconstitutional and never should have been part of the deal. |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-13-11 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
61. Real healthcare reform? n/t |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
80. I've Always Thought The Only Way TO Mandate Health Insurance Was By Having A Public Option... |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
85. Who is this "we", White Man? The PROBLEM is PRIVATE, FOR-PROFIT INSURANCE. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
88. How do you propose that people with preexisting conditions get coverage? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
89. You just get rid of the mandate, but force them to cover pre-existing. They can |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-14-11 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
90. why tie pre existing conditions to a "buy some insurance from my friends mandate" |
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