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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:36 AM
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Hitler was a Leftist. Get over it.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 08:45 AM by tom_paine
Let me state first unequivocally that I am NOT as dumb as a Glenn Beck fan. I CAN pass a 9th grade world history exam.

Still I stand by my words, even though they are 100% historically false. Why so, you might ask? Three words, that I never dreamed I would learn about by watching up close the destruction of sanity and even simple common sense in our National Dialog: PERCEPTION IS REALITY.

Economists talk of "Leading Economic Indicators" as a means of predicting future economic movements by reading today's statistics.

I am speaking of the same thing in the Sociopolitical world of the USA as it now stands. Call them "Leading Evil Indicators" or perhaps "Leading Totalitarianism Indicators" (for those who prefer more precise, less emotionally charged terminology).

Hitler is a Leftist is one of them. Or more precisely the RW Lie Machines' relentless, finally successful attempt to convince a majority of the population of the ahistorical falsehood that Hitler was a Leftist, and what it means for all of us.

I could waste your time with all the blah-blah proofs and quotes and links, but there's almost no point, the evidence is so overwhelming and easily accessible all by reading some contemporary eyewitness accounts like "Defying Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner. Everyone in Germany knew the Nazis to be what they were, a party of the RW.

In any case, the Hitler was a Leftist meme has been pushed from the Right for so many years, even decades, but could never gain traction because it was so diametrically opposed not just to historical truth but to the Nazis own words and beliefs. For deacdes, it stayed where it belonged and all such 100% demonstrably false lies belong, with fringe groups and nutbars, shunned by the educated middle class.

Unfortunately, the educated middle class is now bloated with misinformation and disinformation, as well as a whole lot more poorly educated than recent previous generations. Combine that with the relentless and well-calibrated RW Lie Machine and it's ability to construct False Narratives mirroring the truth but 100% diametrically opoosed to it and it grows easier and easier to "shift the center of gravity" as our psyops boys refer to it.

Now, as the old USA crosses into uncharted and totalitarian waters where there is almost no such thing as facts or demonstrable truth, it's just a neverending marketing competition to see who can get the most rubes to believe what, spearheaded and dominated by the RW Lie Machine in all it's many facets. Pyramiding one lie on top of another, occasionally wrapped around a grain of truth and using a self-referential circle that now includes most of the Corporate Media, the RW Lie Machine has now almost totally washed that "Hitler was a Leftist" lie into "conventional wisdom".

I can already see the usual pattern emerging. Corporate M$M just says nothing while the RW Lie continues to harden. Can one blame them? We've all seen how the RW Lie Machine can destroy anyone, no matter how innocent, or simply harass them into submission. (if their RW Corporate editors don't straighten them out at their bad performance review before things get that far that someone contradicts a RW 100% lie on air and brings the RW shitstorm down on their news org)

Now that we are at that stage, the RW Lie Machine can pyramid this new lie and glom into another 100% lie, and they'll both prop each other up. It's amazing how well RW propaganda works. It's amazing how the human mind works and how easily it's weaknesses are exploited.

Thus, the RW Lie machine helps solidify the old lie by citing "Mein Kampf" on Loughner's reading list as DEFINITIVE proof that Loughner is a Leftist. They cite it quite matter-of-fact the one leads to the other because surely no one could question the 100% established fact that Hitler was a Leftist, could they?

Only if someone had taken the time to read actual histories or eyewitness accounts. Fine, you say, what about the other 99% of the population? Eventually they will succumb, particulary since our "Leadership" seems bound and determine to pretend that nothing like this is happening at all. Without principled speaking out and opposition, RW lies cannot be refuted and eventually will set in the National Mind as "conventional wisdom". We've seeen it happen a hundred or more times before this.

Which brings me back to "Leading Evil Indicators". I maintain the level of societal delusion is such a "Leading Evil Indicator". Societies that drown themselves in lies, as our does, eventually reach a point where the lies fully and fatally poison the nation, and so much more true suffering for so many commences.

I also maintain that on the "Hitler was a Leftist" lie that the process is almost complete, the history revised in the minds of the 40% of the nation who are Hanniditos, Dittoheads, etc. and probably most of the rest who, even though they never learned whether Hitler was RW, LW or whatever, they just go along with "what everybody knows".

By that measure, and the fact that modern America proves conclusively that perception as managed by the RW Lie Machine and Corporate Media is far more powerful than the facts and truth could ever hope to be, Hitler is and always was a Leftist.

This the reality of life as we approach Dark Ages America in our not too distant future. I don't like it any more than you do, but we have to live in reality so that we avoid denying unpleasant truths about the real situation that could cripple our ability to understand and react to said upcoming situation of life in Dark Ages America.

Don't shoot the messenger. Hitler was a Leftist. Get used to it. Does that have to be true or even to make sense? Of course not. RW Propaganda delivered to the gullible doesn't have to make sense, as long as it is coherent with the RW self-referential circle of lies and lying liars.

This "Leading Evil Indicator" shows that the Amereican Subject Populace is very likely to become very VERY totalitarian and evil in the future. In just the opposite way that Glenn Beck envisions, of course, as he is one of the lyingest liaras in a massive stable full of them over on the RW Lie Machine.

Like Voltaire said, "Those who can get people to believe absurdities can get them to commit atrocities."
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:43 AM
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1. I have more faith in our education system and people in general than you do,
I think that it is only a small minority in this country who believe that Hitler was a leftist. Don't throw in the towel on our society too soon.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:41 AM
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19. +1
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:43 AM
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2. But his party had the word "Socialist" in its name
That's all the "proof" most teabaggers need.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:48 AM
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6. Sad but true.
nt

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:39 AM
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12. And communist China is Republican! It's "the People's Republic!!" n/t
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 10:15 AM
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17. And North Korea is DEMOCRATIC!
:crazy:
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:52 AM
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20. Yay!
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 11:57 AM by Iggo
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:52 PM
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25. Or for that matter the "Communist Party" of China is Communist
In terms of economics, the Communist Party of China is a lot more like the GOP than actual Communists.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:45 PM
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24. Well, and it nationalized a lot of industries
Calling Naziism "right wing" and Soviet Communism "left wing" kind of misses the point of both of them, IMO.
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affrayer Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:45 AM
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3. Why stop there?
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 08:47 AM by affrayer
Hitler is a Leftist is one of them. Or more precisely the RW Lie Machines' relentless, finally successful attempt to convince a majority of the population of the ahistorical falsehood that Hitler was a Leftist,a nd what it means for all of us.


How about this one: "Reagan tried to balance the budget!"

Or this one: "Bush Jr read books other than My Pet Goat!"

Isn't it enough that the republicans took two certified assclowns, Bush Jr and John "ACE" McCain and made them into presidential candidates? Or how about "Reload" Palin, now there is a fine example of administrative incompetence with tits.

Calling Hitler a leftest is right up there with bogus claims that tax cuts for the wealthy create jobs. Hitler was a fascist.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:48 AM
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7. "The" Pet Goat
Get your shit straight, troop.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:46 AM
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4. That and we'll be drowning in "faith-based science" while other countries...
...will be using real science to make the technological advances that will allow them to be the leading nations of the future while we are left further and further behind.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:41 AM
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13. This is already happening
Germany set policy goals years ago to move to 1/3 renewables for their energy while Bush was invading middle eastern nations and Palin was dreaming of drill baby drill.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:47 AM
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5. Welcome back, tom_paine
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 08:48 AM by Doctor_J
Missed you

Edit: Don't forget to put this in your journal
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:54 AM
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8. Thanks. Very thoughtful. And scary.
I would like for tom_paine to be wrong, but at this point, I sincerely doubt it. It may well be too late for anything resembling a Plan A, wherein citizens take back their democracy. The language of politics, and the media by which political discourse is conducted, are too poisoned and debilitated to believe that an informed citizenry could rise up.

Which raises the question: so what is Plan B? If restoring American democracy is no longer possible, what should people of good will, people who are not willing to engage in the fantasy of "Second Amendment remedies", do?

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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:57 AM
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9. I don't think people are going to be buying it this time
I did see a shitheel teabilly trying to claim that he was a leftist because of the Mein Kampf thing - "Marx and stalin are of the left", he said. Dolt. Remind me never to follow a link that goes to Sodahead...

I think though that this time around, it's going to be a lot harder for the rightwing to brush this aside. there's been too many warnings put out publically that a violent outbreak like this was going to happen eventually. The more the right tries to pin it on the left, the stupider they are going to look. Claims like Hitler was a leftist are fine while everything is quiet and peaceful, but when violence starts breaking out, people start to question, and it all falls apart on any kind of scrutiny.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:59 AM
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10. One can perceive they are flying if they jump off of a 20 story building
without a parachute until reality becomes the cold hard ground.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:38 AM
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11. Totalitarianism is the correct description - here's why
There is absolutely nothing the hate radio addicts won't believe, if the Lie Machine tells them it's true.

- Hitler was a leftist

- Cutting taxes raises tax revenues

- Obama wants to take away every gun in the US

- We're 9 trillion dollars in the hole because of food stamps

- Osama bin Laden (or someone else this week) is directing the world's billion Muslims to get pregnant and come to the US to have their babies so 20 years from now there will be a billion Muslim terrorists that are US citizens.

The wingnuts are mind-numbingly, outrageously ignorant, and like being that way. Get used to it, and get ready to deal with them
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:42 AM
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14. Yep. That's why all those FDR-hating industrialists in the '30s loved Hitler and fascism
Oh...wait a minute. :crazy:

It's really too bad so many Americans don't know our history.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:56 AM
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16. exactly. Good old Prescott & his war mongering friends weren't dealing
with any stinkin' leftists.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:48 AM
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15. "The most violent element in society is ignorance." - Emma Goldman. nt
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James48 Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 10:17 AM
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18. So republicans admit they are to the right of Hitler...
Enough said.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:54 AM
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21. Winner.
:applause:
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:57 AM
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22. BINGO!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:11 PM
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23. +2
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