Not all exit polls in Wisconsin were shut down. Only the ones who were doing it wrong.

[PeaceNikki]

See?

http://www.wiscnews.com/baraboonewsrepublic/news/article_7ca30e58-c2fc-11e0-8008-001cc4c03286.html

[TheWraith]

1. Hush. Don't bring facts into it.

You're spoiling the narrative. :P

I seriously wonder how many of the people who are sharing in these narratives have on-the-ground experience actually doing election protection work.

[pintobean]

4. She does that often

and I've used that line with her, too. This is going get someone in WI even more pissed off. :rofl:

[PeaceNikki]

10. lol

Oh, hey... I think my recurring friend from the recount is back: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1712509

[pnwmom]

2. I know you're not a paranoid type, PN. So do you think

there was significant fraudulent activity this time around?

[PeaceNikki]

3. No.

We watched them like hawks. I don't think there was in the SC race either. Because I was there at the recount. We verified ballots against machine totals.

And yeah, there were bags that had issues with seals and not being properly secured and that sucks because it left the possibility of tampering open. HOWEVER, we counted those bags separately. If there was fraud, I would have expected those tampered bags to weigh more heavily for Prosser. They didn't. Not even close. I *wanted* them to so badly, but they didn't. Some even weighed more for Kloppenburg. I *wanted* them to be stuffed with extra ballots and the counts to be way off from canvass. But they weren't. I am a data geek and crunched my lil heart out. The net result I took away: there was a LOT of slop with the handling of ballots but no evidence of any fraud. The preventive and real action I can take is to observe the polls to make sure things are done right. And I am working with MANY others to do just that.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

50. The counts will always match - at least closely- when ballot bags are stuffed

You can take a bag that had, say, 450 Klop ballots in it and 325 Prosser, and it could still have been stuffed for Prosser, by padding his total and skimming from Klop's. As much as we watched like hawks, we had no eyes to see into what was done before the recount began, nor after the ballots and other election materials were taken back to KN's office every evening at 5:30 or so during the recount. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence that suggests election fraud in the SC election, and enough of the same to make the results of the recall suspect.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

52. There are some pieces of actual evidence too... nt

[madrchsod]

5. the eda seems to be a legit organization

http://electiondefensealliance.org/


it got it`s funding from this organization


http://ihcenter.org/welcome

[PeaceNikki]

6. Of course they are, but they will be asked to leave if they aren't following rules.

[TheWraith]

7. Predictably, this is getting unrecced and ignored.

Conspiracy theories are more fun, I suppose.

[PeaceNikki]

8. Yes, I have a loyal following.

heh

[pintobean]

9. Thanks for the reminder

I brought it up to +1. Woo-hoo. Kick

[RaleighNCDUer]

11. I don't get it. How does this account have anything to do with the

exit polling that was shut down?

Was there anyone making the claim that ALL exit polling was being intefered with?

Or are you, as usual, creating straw men?

[PeaceNikki]

12. Well yes, there are people making that claim.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1712359

"as usual"? lol. fuck off asshole

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. Again. ONE person mistakenly believed there was no exit polling,

you inflate that to 'people' and thus dismiss any suggestion that there might have been any shenanigans. You were on the ground in ONE place - you have no idea what really went on elsewhere.

Reality: there was no evidence of fraud where YOU were. You can't honestly say you know anything more than that.

[OnTheOtherHand]

16. nu?

The OP doesn't say anything about "shenanigans" generally. But surely it hasn't escaped your notice that a bunch of DUers who weren't on the ground ANY place nonetheless are insisting that there was fraud. Do you have a problem with pointing that out?

I've been watching this for years. Some people scream bloody murder, other people comment on the absence of blood, and then they're in for it. I find it... strange.

I don't believe for a moment that PeaceNikki "can't honestly say" she knows anything more than what she saw. I'm pretty sure she has looked at the election returns. As far as I can tell, the election returns don't give a good reason to single out Waukesha County. If you think otherwise, say why.

(edit to correct silly extra negative)

[jberryhill]

17. The point is... (and I've poll-watched before)

...that PN's experience is quite likely to be representative of the experience of those who were watching other places.

No, PN wasn't everywhere, but a small army of PN's were.

[OnTheOtherHand]

18. for what it's worth

one argument here is that if the scanners were hacked, there really wouldn't be much for the poll-watchers to see. And that's true. One would have to examine the paper ballots.

It seems pretty clear that hacking in Waukesha County can't plausibly explain the outcome in the Darling race. If someone wants to conjecture that scanners were hacked throughout the district, well, I suppose s/he should move heaven and earth to get at least some of the ballots examined.

All that said, the Supreme Court election did expose some real problems that ought to be fixed. I think paper ballots are great, but they're better if the seals actually, y'know, seal. (However, I don't know anyone who has looked at the numbers who thinks that those bags were actually tampered with en masse.)

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[eowyn_of_rohan]

51. Yes there was a not-so-small army out there Tuesday night and Wednesday morning

And while PN's experiences were representative of SOME volunteers, they certainly are not represenative of MANY OTHER observers'. We are not an army of PN's. We are are an army of individuals with different experience levels and personalities, who observe in different places with different issues going on.

[PeaceNikki]

26. I actually can know more. I trust my committee and the other well trained observers.

I trust Waukesha County Democrats, the League of Women Voters, and DPW. If there was fraud, we'd all know. We had it covered.

[ya sure]

32. you observed them put ballots into a machine to count for you right?

the machine counted the ballots?

[Broderick]

13. We may disagree on the implications nationwide to what happened

and the precedent set, and the polarization of the people. But we agree that democracy took place.

[ya sure]

46. democracy took place? Democracy requires free and fair elections

so no we do not agree that democracy took place

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[Ellipsis]

19. I have to say I getting tired of some folks sensationalizing supposed election fraud for "clicks."

Especially at the cost of Wisconsin's integrity.... that bitch Kathy Nicholos not withstanding. (The state will deal with her.)

[EFerrari]

20. What was EDA doing "wrong" at the polling place where they

were told by police to say 100 feet away?

[PeaceNikki]

21. I never said EDA was doing anything wrong. They weren't shut down.

They lost valuable time and the GAB went to bat for them, in fact. Kevin Kennedy himself showed up there. I don't know who or what groups the other posters referred to. I only know of an actual shutdown from the primary and GAB made a statement about that.

Most precincts had exit polls. Even in Waukesha County. Without problems.

[EFerrari]

22. You said "only the ones who were doing it wrong". What did you mean

by that? I don't understand.

/typo

[PeaceNikki]

25. There have been posts saying exit polls were shut down. That only happens when you break the rules.

You'll have to get details from the people making those claims. The point I was making is that lots of exit polls occurred without a problem. The GAB won't shut you when you do it right.

[OnTheOtherHand]

30. in fairness, sometimes officials don't know the rules

Exit pollsters have been having these struggles for many years. I wouldn't be surprised if EDA ran into trouble in some places where it wasn't doing anything wrong at all.

However, I don't think I've seen anything credible about the exit polls actually being "shut down" anywhere. (I may be missing it, of course.) My impression is that the disputes were over whether they could interview within 100 feet of the polling place, and specifically how close they could be. Nothing new about any of that.

[EFerrari]

31. So, you don't have any information about what happened

at the precinct that was closed down, you are assuming they did something "wrong", is that right?

[ya sure]

33. expert on everything having to do with this election

exit polls bad

Kathy Nickolaus non partisan

that supremem court recount, after Kathy pulled votes out of her ass...totally on the up and up...trust her...



And I suppose when Prosser choked that fellow justice he was really giving her a massage?

[Ellipsis]

34. .

[ya sure]

36. I guess I should just give in and let them steal elections

just beating a dead horse.

I mean, then have already stolen so many I guess we should just let them.

who needs elections?

It should be clear to everyone by now, why they let Obama win the last one. They needed someone to take the blame for their mess.

Then, the tea party with their amazing popularity



swept the house and are now prepared to steal America's retirement and medical care...

I should just shut up though...beating a dead horse....I'll just keep letting the corporate media decide what I should think

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[Ellipsis]

40. Sure smells like it... don't it though.

yah...

[Ellipsis]

39. This is not the venue bub for you to be an unbridled accusatory "Nattering nabob of negativism"

God, I just quoted Spiro Agnew.

Either get to know the culture here and quit ragging on the folks who ARE active and give a damn and who do the work or Go over to Free Republic and stand on your soap box, cuz you won't last past the night. Get past your reality distortion field or you're just be trollin' with Al Sampson.

[PeaceNikki]

35. Read much?

Go... be free.

[EOTE]

43. Wait. Are you saying the EDA did wrong or not?

Because it seems like you've been not quite so clear on that. Your OP seems to suggest that they were breaking the rules. Then when another poster asks you what rules they broke, you said that they did nothing wrong. If they did nothing wrong, then your OP is invalid. So what is it?

[EFerrari]

48. And yet people keep recommending the OP

while there is as yet no evidence the pollsters did anything "wrong" in Butler Village. Very odd, imo.

[ya sure]

23. what were the other exit poll results?

Do you think that when you observed the ballots being put through the machine at the polling station, that counts as verification of no vote fraud?

The machines counting the vote can be hacked. Have you seen Howard Dean in Hack the vote?

If no one actually counts the ballots, looks at the ballots and verifies...there is no way of knowing.

Since no one is questioning, they don't even have to fix the recount like they did in the supreme court race last time.

[Ellipsis]

27. Whats your point pal?

Where you been the last 5 years? You're talkin' 'bout the Hursti hack.


Stirring the soup are we? Ya sure? Don't you mean yah for sure?


Jeepers!

[ya sure]

28. Wave and EDA election integrity volunteers illegally impeded by law enforcement in Waukesha County

Wave and EDA election integrity volunteers illegally impeded by law enforcement in Waukesha County

http://wisconsinwave.org/news/wave-and-eda-election-integrity-volunteers-illegally-impeded-law-enforcement-waukesha-county

[PeaceNikki]

29. I know. Look upthread where I discussed this.

Kevin Kennedy came in and cleared that up.

[EFerrari]

38. Yep. That's Brad's report as well.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8661#more-8661

I've yet to see any indication those pollsters did anything wrong.

[ya sure]

41. yet there is this strange group of people attacking me for stating the obvious

very strange behavior

[EFerrari]

42. Anyone who worked the election has got to be tired tonight.

Maybe let it sink in a little. Or check out the election reform forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

[Ellipsis]

44. ... and grouchy.

peace.

[EFerrari]

47. If we were all issued yellow Labs at birth, this would be a better planet.

lol

:)

[Ellipsis]

49. Or at least a couple of furry kitties

My tortoise shell with a chopped off tail (a rescue) and my beautiful ancient matriarch Calico for instance.

They are just like DU.

Two females, they hiss at one another but they still eat out of the same bowl. LOL.

Happy summer.

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