DU Remember this?

[nadinbrzezinski]

These riots are part of this continuum.

And understanding this does not mean one is in favor of burning things. Alas any of you ever cooked with a pressure cooker? The analogy is proper here

For the record, I hear the law and order element coming strong, but until the underlying conditions are dealt with in positive ways... wait for more, that is all.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. DU burp

[Rex]

2. If that is true, then why after all these years when GWB got egged after

his first theft (2000) (his limousine ride to the WH) have we not seen blowback from that? I don't think Americans will ever riot on the scale of national level or even state level. And what about "Flash Mobs" how do they fit into the equation?

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. We had eight years of pain

it's been over thirty for the brits, we had some easing during the clinton years.

And we have had some riots here...

But the point I am making is that people think this is isolated in the UK... it is not... it happened around the same area where this started.

Also the egging was for different reasons.

I also have the sneaky that unless we have something in the scale of this or the LA Riots, you will not hear it.

[Rex]

20. Yes, but we can include Poppy and Raygun into the mix and

make it 30 years of pain in America. Add in Nixon and Agnew and it is 50 years...I just don't think it will happen here and if does the M$M will hide it or exclude it in reporting. I agree, it is all intertwined and over the years builds up until there is either a paradigm shift by the govt or the working class takes to the streets. I hope we are not at the point of 'bread and circus'. I know you think America has already crossed the Rubicon...but I don't think so, not there yet.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. As I said we had a reprieve

and it will get here to that point. Methinks Wisconsin is the leading edge... it is just building the way movements build here, organically and from the ground.

[Rex]

43. Yes I agree, Wisconsin seems to be the build up of something

far larger then the state or the nation. Organically from the ground up, exactly what happened in the 60s and 70s. We don't need rioting, we need another social revolution.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. Riots are one response, WI is the other

:-)

They come from essentially the same place.

I much prefer the latter too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Well then maybe DU does not remember this, never mind it was

oh so last year.

[seabeyond]

5. no nad, we remember. we also dont feel all warm and cozy at the idea of encouraging rioting

here in the u.s. nor see it as an answer.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. One of the greatest fallacies I have seen in this place

UNDERSTANDING where things come
means one is in favor of them

Ergo,
One is encouraging them.

I forget what name that fallacy has.

Oh yes, here you go... poisoning the well...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

Damn I knew that Logic class in HS would come handy some day.

:-)

[Obamanaut]

10. For those of us "in this place" who lack that understanding, I'm sure there

are one or two posters who will explain things to us, ad infinitum.

I understand 'fallacy' to mean a false notion. How is a lack of understanding a false notion? If what you say is true, would not that be more of a failing rather than a fallacy?

[seabeyond]

12. to say anothers perspective is merely lack of understanding alone tells me the closed mindedness

of the poster, in her criticism.

supporting you, lol, just frustrates me to be told that only one perspective is right, and the other mUST NOT understand. total bullshit. i say i understand beyond OP

[Whisp]

14. and if you aren't readying that bidness right

you go stand in the corner with gum on your nose, little missy!

:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Tell you what, don't read them save the frustration

I don't open yours, I don't care to open yours. You could post a cute kitten thread.... I will not open it.

[seabeyond]

18. if you cannot handle opposing views, then dont start OPs. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Oh I can and I will continue to post OPs, even if that frustrates you

have a good day.

(Now I need to keep that logic page open for the next one to be used)

[seabeyond]

24. and i will continue to point out how closed minded you are and presumptuous in your assumptions

of ALL people in the u.s.

you logic too often fails.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. If that is all you get

I feel sorry for you, look at the mirror, about close minded and small.

[seabeyond]

28. you have not even bothered to ask what the fuck i am talking about.

and i havent even shared differing views cause it is a waste of time. no interest on your part.

[zappaman]

34. different day, same old crap from you.

Great minds discuss ideas;
Average minds discuss events;
Small minds discuss people.
- Eleanor Roosevelt

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. No will not alert you, will ask a stupid question that apparently you should answer for yourself

If it is the same shit, why read it?

I think you are wasting your time, and wasting mine

Don't expect a response either.

[Name removed]

38. Deleted message

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Obamanaut]

44. Is telling someone not to expect a response, in fact, a response? nt

[zappaman]

47. Pretty much! n/t

[Obamanaut]

40. Despite multiple GBCW posts? nt

[seabeyond]

11. you had a thread on why the americans dont riot and then postured all kinds of reasons....

that were insults to americans.

so IF one may feel that you think it is a good idea to have the same here in the u.s., that is where it is coming from. firstly

and secondly.... how YOU understand things to be can differ from how OTHERS understand things to be. so because you see it as an oppressive reason for the behavior, some of us with people we know that would be in the middle of the looting spree understand the other reason for this behavior.

and because a person does not agree with you does to mean you need to take it so personally, lacking that very logic you rave about.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. What lack of class consciouenss is a reality

sorry, live with it.

It is starting to form, but that is a reality going back oh a hundred years or more. It is a puzzle of the US... and there have been many explanations over the decades. I just offered my working hypothesis of why... which actually is not that far from Emma Goodman's. She just didn't have TV at the time.

And you engaged in poisoning the well, I get it why people are rioting, that does not translate into I encourage it.

[seabeyond]

19. It is a puzzle of the US... no, it is not a "puzzle" to the u.s. geezus.

you haev such a narrow limited view of the people in the u.s. you really ought to listen a little more. not all black and white like you pretend to create.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Ah only those with no counter arguments

go over grammar and spelling

http://www.flamewarriors.com/warriorshtm/grammarian.htm

Have a very good day...

[seabeyond]

30. ya. except i have no interest in your spelling or grammer. that has nothing to do

with the post you replied to.

an huge ass WTF?

[Rex]

36. Yes you are talking about a subject you might or might not favor

I understand, pretty easy to grasp actually.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. I know,

:hi:

[Rex]

39. Sorry, getting a little frustrated. Cya later nadin.

:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. It can be

and some even admit to stalking.

What do you do?

[zappaman]

48. since when is clicking on posts by one's favorite posters stalking?

some people just hate to be disagreed with, don't they?

[malaise]

Yes I do

Simple - the rich are oblivious and completely indifferent.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. I'll props to Charles for the work he does

with disaffected youth... but I remember the reaction here back then. It is funny actually.

[WilliamPitt]

6. What am I looking at?

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. When the same disafected youth

attacked Camilla and Charles on the way to the theater, it was a wrong turn by the security detail.

[JVS]

16. Forget it. Too many Nixonian "Law and Order" types here to get that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. I know...

[fascisthunter]

23. See how they claim you are encouraging it.... it's a distraction

from the point you are making. Poverty and oppression will anger people anywhere enough to do insane things... some people are afraid to acknowledge this because they think it is another excuse. They don't want to understand, they have drawn a line in the sand.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. I know, riots are organic in India

but could never be organic in the FIrst World, or it would be an admission that perhaps, something is wrong.

[fascisthunter]

31. BINGO!

[seabeyond]

32. has nothing to do with .... why arent there riots in u.s. ... cause they are lazy, watch tv

and conditioned not to.

nope, that has NOTHING to do with it at all.

[fascisthunter]

51. not sure what point you are trying to make

[SidDithers]

29. Law and order element...

:rofl:

Yeah, posters who believe that looting and burning are wrong are the "law and order element". Posters who disagree with you are the "law and order element"

Too funny.

Sid

[Innoma]

41. Ah, Sid...

If you understood the grand, interlocking panoply of history and politics with as much omnipotence and clarity of thought as the OP, you would realize you -- with your vastly inferior reasoning and meager thought processes -- cannot possibly understand. Even if you have valid counterarguments or even iron-clad proof that things are otherwise, you'd still be a poopyhead. We are all unworthy. Realize the intellect, my son, and join me in a quiet moment of humble genuflection, won't you?

[zappaman]

46. I'm with you

One day I hoop to bee smart enuff to understanding this partikular poster's vast intelluct.
Untill then, I will join you in this genuflection even though I sertanily don't half the slytest clew what it meens.

[SidDithers]

49. It would be my pleasure and honour to genuflect with one...

who has so succinctly and accurately captured the essence of my shortcomings.

Bravo.

Sid

[Obamanaut]

50. Rather than attempt to genuflect, and do it improperly because of my

inherent lack of understanding, I will instead go skulk in a corner with self loathing.

[dipsydoodle]

33. Sure - Charlie Gilmore got 16 months for both that

and climbing the Cenotaph.

Some of those arrested over the past few days face max sentences of 10 years. The thought of that wiped the smile off their faces when Highgate Magistrates referred them for trial at Wood Green Court Court. All were denied bail and remanded in custody.

[swilton]

52. Thank you!

Absolutely right!

I also think that if it happens 'there' it can happen here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. But, but if you say that it means you

want then to happen here... serious, that is some of the logic.

There are structural reasons why I don't expect them here YET... but it could definitely happen AGAIN.

[ZombieHorde]

54. Recommended. If you don't like riots, remove the conditions which spark riots. nt

[fascisthunter]

55. they don't want, and it's why we hear the media meme