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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:07 PM
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Jon Stewart talking liberals down from blaming right wing on Arizona shooting. Says you can't
always predict crazy.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:08 PM
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1. Shame on and DUer who slams Stewart.
Just putting that out there ahead of time.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 03:32 AM
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68. A Liberal By The Classic Definition, Sir, 'A Man Who Won't Even Take His Own Side In A Fight'.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 03:46 AM
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69. What a splendid response and post, Sir! You've still got it.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 04:25 AM by tom_paine
Hello and long time- no speak.

I don't spend much time on DU these days. Sadly, shit like this can suck me in just like anyone else. The Human Misery Industry here in America, and all it's profitable subsidiaries, can capture anyone with it's cacophonous carnival of nonsense.

Anyway, I find the tone of your post interesting indeed. Years ago, we used to occasionally debate on the nature of the transformation going on in this country. Was it defined by the Conventional Wisdom, or was this a time in history when the transformation occuring was, shall we say, extra-political and ominous in the extreme?

In those long gone days, I used to constantly describe our Democrats as the spittin' image reincarnation of the 1933 German Social Democrats (repugs being Nazis v2.0, Kinder and gentler Version) and the transformation very much akin (on a psychological level, at least) to 1924-1933 Germany, though with different marketing strategies for different time periods and target audiences.

I recall you always held to a more level-headed, "conventional wisdom" kind of view of it all. Kind of like Jon Stewart and his Rally for Sanity.

But with this recent comment of yours, and as we haven't exchanged views in years, I have to ask if you still hew to Jon Stewart and his (as I call it) 1933 German Social Democratic state of mind?

You still think all of this is just "American History as usual"? Lot of water and RW insanity under the bridge since last we spoke. What do you think now?

I hope you are well and if nothing else, that was a damned excellent and dead-on post.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 06:48 AM
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75. It's not about taking sides.
It's about not acting like the other side. Irrationality is, well, irrational.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:09 PM
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2. NOT blaming them on THIS shooting.. just saying THE COFFEE IS PERCULATING
Wake up and SMELL IT before it's too late.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:09 PM
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3. Epic fail.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:09 PM
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4. He's wrong on this.
I often disagree with Stewart, and this is one of those times.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:21 PM
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26. Yes he is
It's a shame so few in Big Media ill tell the unvarnished truth about this
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 07:33 AM
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77. Me, too. He's wrong. The Right set the moral acceptance
for those who are unstable to view their violent tendencies as mainstream. When you have Palin and her Tea Party glorifying guns and using violent imagery - there are real consequences. And they're here. Stewart ignored the culpability of those who "fire up" their base...and then go home after the fuse has been lit.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:47 PM
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107. Indeed.
Too many of us are letting the right wing off the hook, and the country will pay, though it will be progressives who pay the most.
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kimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:11 PM
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5. I thought what he said was very on point, IMO
That was moving.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:12 PM
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6. Sounds like must see tv.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:12 PM
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7. Good for him.
He's right. Evidence before conclusions.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 04:09 PM
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96. In good company with Barbara Walters, Candy Crowley, and Ms. Greenspan
Shutting up the Sheriff


Let's wait 18months before drawing any conclusions about a political assassination.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:12 PM
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8. Yeah. NO ONE could have predicted that some RW nut would shoot
some Democratic politician with a gunsight on her.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:13 PM
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12. Beyond the imagination, really.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 11:14 PM by readmoreoften
Who could possibly envision such things? :sarcasm:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 07:49 AM
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80. you craaazy liberals with your wild and craaaazy speculations about political assassination
i mean reaaalllly....who would have thought that a democrat would have been assassinated for being a democrat....reaaalllyyy, that is so craaaazy....and who can predict with the craaaaazy is going to strike next....


you craaaaaazy democrats....i means who else talks about the floating dollar not tied to gold and people in this country not being able to speak the language....i meant that could be just about any ole body, riiiiiight....you craaaaazy democrats.

jon, trying to be funny again with his false equivalencies. Even reacting to a political assassination is THE DEMOCRATS FALSE. jon's apparent solution -- to sit in our cars, and take turns going through the tunnel, and don't get out of line democrats, go with the flow democrats, don't you get out of line.

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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:15 PM
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16. I still haven't seen evidence that he is right wing.
From what I have read, he seems to be all over the place, and mentally ill first and foremost.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:20 PM
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24. Listen and learn
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:46 AM
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63. I have seen nothing that suggests his writings were coherent or
consistent enough to suggest an overarching political philosophy on his part. People on the right are cherry picking references too, to "prove" that he was a Leftist.

The writings of his that we have seen are word salad and highly varied in content, and reports from people who actually knew him suggest that he was only vaguely political and all over the map.

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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 07:21 PM
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101. Thanks, very clarifying interview about some obvious influences.
His paranoia obviously drew on some Patriot movement, David Wynn Miller, Alex Jones network, Coast to Coast themes. He probably picked-and-chose from them and *didn't* strongly identify himself as a Republican or Tea-Partier; but he probably thought Democrats were the main 'mind-controllers' in the government.

There are left-leaning networks like KPFK which cross over with many of these conspiracy themes, but Jared Loughman was pretty clearly more invested in conspiracy theories talked about by right-wing rather than left-wing groups and outlets.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:56 PM
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46. Well, no, there is plenty of evidence out there that he is RW and nothing credible
about him being liberal. You haven't been paying attention, have you?

Though I suspect you have.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:30 AM
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62. No, I have seen a lot of cherry picking on both sides. nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:17 PM
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19. +1
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:12 PM
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9. So what did he say?
I was watching the football game.
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:54 AM
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54. Basically that you cannot blame any party for the incident. Bullshit. nt
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:12 PM
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10. Oh right. More of Jon Stewart's War Against High Toned Rhetoric.
He so jumped the shark.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:13 PM
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11. Isnt that what we are all bitching about?
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:13 PM
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13. But you can certainly stoke the fires and blow some oxygen on the embers.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:28 AM
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82. but it's good for ratings....the ember blowers make for great interviews
and the last thing the Media wants is to put out the right wing fire...who do you think advertises on their shows....really angry, really motivated right wingers looking to buy commercial air time


Astroturfing begings with advertising
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:14 PM
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14. I hope that was satire. n/t
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 10:09 AM
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88. Jon is in lock-step with the Media's castigation of the passions of the left
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:14 PM
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15. I think he was talking down both sides...
One thing worth noting was his saying that you can't know how the rhetoric will be perceived by the "crazies".

I agree with him on that.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:18 PM
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21. Sure. Olbermann has inspired so many assassins
Christ. You appeasers are so tiresome
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:20 PM
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23. I'm no appeaser...I stated what I thought Stewart was doing.
Christ, yourself. :eyes:
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:16 PM
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17. The RW have always attracted crazies like.....
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:16 PM
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18. A registered independent (with mental issues) shot a centrist.
A centrist democrat who used to be a republican.

The real issue is why does the MEDIA politicize this?

Because they want to polarize us further, because if we are divided, we are conquered.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:19 PM
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22. Nice insight.
Keeps their bottom lines healthier too. Nothing like vitriol and anger to drive up ratings.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:21 PM
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28. Well, you could say it was politicized because
someone shot a politician at a political event, and called it an assassination on the internet. But maybe that's just me.

I watched Stewart just now, and I've been his fan for a long time, but he pulled the false-equivalency thing and I'm just not having it this time.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:24 PM
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29. a political asaisnation can be any more ploiticized, crazy or not, the man was an anti- govt gun nut
and on both counts, he is aligned w/ the Baggers.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 03:46 PM
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94. seems to me the Media is running with the 'registered' Indepedent, she was a moderate
meme....FOX News never reinforces her moderate position every three minutes while at the same time failing to mention that she was a target.

Political assassination are political -- to characterize it any other was IS TO MANIPULATE.

They don't conquer by dividing. They conquer by taking sides and by silencing one side.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 04:06 PM
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95. He is anti-government because he believes that it controls minds...
using "grammar".

Is that a plank in the Tea Party platform?

It doesn't matter if he believes the voice in his head telling him to kill is George W. Bush or FDR or Jesus Christ, because HE'S CRAZY.

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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 04:17 PM
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97. Gun nut? He recently bought the guns, hadn't even shot guns much
before this massacre.

Some of us are "gun nuts," if by that you mean people who legally own and use guns.

He was just plain nuts.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:50 AM
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64. +10000 nt
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:17 PM
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20. Good for him. Rec'd. n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:20 PM
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25. jon is wrong headed about quite a few things
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:21 PM
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27. Let's see, ratchet up the rhetoric
Make access to guns cheap and easy. Keep the fear and frustration perking along, just below a rolling boil, thanks to a 24-hour network and a syndicate of hatemongers blasting away. Throw in a dysfunctional public health care system that's too expensive to access for physical or mental problems. And . . .

As Daniel Tosh would say to introduce the video: What did you think was going to happen?

It's a cop-out to say that "you can't always predict crazy." Okay, maybe nobody thought it would be Mr. Loughner specifically in that Safeway parking lot on Saturday. Get outside the insurance defense mindset, and you can say with a great deal of confidence that it's going to happen somewhere, sometime if nothing is done. And in the aftermath of yet another shooting massacre, it's hardly helpful to retreat into this kind of sophistry, which will cause many to shrug and mutter "Whaddyagunnado?" I rather expect that from the millionaire nitwits whose paychecks depend on the system as it is, but not from Stewart.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:49 PM
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45. what gratuitous said



This is the time to hold the rightwing accountable.


It is ludicrous to suggest there are two sides to this coin.


Stewart is embarrassed because he has downplayed the danger posed by the violent rhetoric of the teabagger/conservative. He has to save face.

But it's too late for that, Jon.







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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 03:56 AM
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71. Not a nitiwt, but is not Stewart a millionaire receiving a paycheck for the Corporate System?
Sure looks like it to me.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:25 PM
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30. Not until Palin/McCain/Rush apologize to the victims, JON!!
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:26 PM
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31. Actually, the argument is somewhat more nuanced than Stewart seems to understand
The outcry over this incident, to me, is not about the incident per se on some much deeper level.

The outcry is the outcome of two years of racist hate-mongering eliminationist bombast from Republican politicians and media figures that created a climate of such incivility, such racism, that people FEARED this would happen - because, face it, THE RIGHT WING WAS CALLING FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.

That's what "settle this with bullets if not ballots" and "second amendment solutions" is all about. Those words aren't about political rhetoric. Those words are threats against the govt of the United States.

That's what teabagger signs reading, "we didn't come armed...this time" were and are all about.

These were THREATS against the govt of the United States that were allowed to continue with impunity - that were SPONSORED by Fox News, that were APPLAUDED by Republicans IN OFFICE. That were PAID FOR by the Koch Bros and Dick Armey and other Republican pacs.

The outcry is about the staggering number of HATE CRIMES attempted, because of HCR, against sitting members of Congress. - this shooting was the feared outcome of this HORRIFIC use of RACISM, FEAR and LIES.

People didn't fear a crazy person that you couldn't predict would do this. People feared a so-called "Palin Republican" or "Ditto-head" or "Beck Baby" would think that such action was permissible BECAUSE REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS AND MEDIA REPRESENTATIVES TOLD THEM IT WAS OKAY.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:33 PM
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34. Yep. Exactly. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:37 PM
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37. Exactly. n/t
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:46 PM
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43. I posted this as an OP because, to me, this is what the left is responding to nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 03:54 AM
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70. CORRECT
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 03:54 AM by Skittles
there's no doubting that the killer is fucking nuts; nor is there is there ANY doubt that republicans thrive on utter HATRED
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 07:35 AM
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Thanks. n/t
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 07:35 AM
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78. Thanks. n/t
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:29 PM
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32. Jon is clearly wrong about this. Millions of us predicted this "crazy".
It was just a matter of time, and we all knew it.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:32 PM
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33. Yep.
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Mink2 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:44 PM
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42. We predicted it.
It will happen again if they aren't shut up.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:45 AM
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52. How are you going to shut them up?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 04:18 AM
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72. A healthy societal mainstream would reject such incoherent madness by itself
But our national defenses against such things have eroded terribly in recent decades.

That's the whole point of the Constitution (one of 'em, anyway), I think, to try to guarantee freedom while ctreating a climate of educated people at all levels and classes, not just the tiny sliver of ultra-wealthy and their people/courtiers/extended families.

It's balancing on a kinfe-edge, and depends on a given citizenry remaining educated, informed and sober, collectively. Post WWII-America with it's media ownership rules and fairness doctrine, was an attempt by that generation to make impossible the media of totalitarian nations which they had just watched, in a very primitive form compared to today mind you, arising and serving the interests of the wealthy and powerful by using the uninformed and gullible as fodder.

So you see, we can't "shut them up" because that would destroy the very thing people seek to protect. The system can only work and maintain internal consistency and credibility with an educated, informed, ultimately moderate and sober majority (speaking collectively, not about every single person). So that when things get out of whack and the internal contradictions become too great, as they did in the run up to the Civil War, it can be solved within the system itself, or at least at the very nearest fringes of the system (both sides carried out free elections in the midst of war, most notably the union's 1864 presidential election).

I say again, the only thing that can shut them up is the censure of overall decent society and politics left and right (center-left and center-right). At this time, the American People simply do not have what it takes to maintain a free society in the face of the decades-long multi-faceted assualt by the RW and it's propaganda machine.

To put it one way, all the burglar alarms in the Constitution have been disconnected. To put it another way, one used to have to go to a KKK or John Birch meeting to find the level of incoherence, misinformation and disinformation now transmitted daily and with false credibility across the RW Lie Machine and half of Corporate Media at any given time.

What can we do? I don't think there's much anyone can do. The RW Tranformation of this nation has passed the tipping point; unreality has won the day and continues to do so. As someone once said, "The avalanche has begun. It's too late for the pebbles to vote."
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 08:08 AM
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81. See? I don't get that...
The prediction that something bad would happen someday to someone associated with an ideology that applies to maybe 50% of the population?

I've got a good feeling the sun will also rise sometime this week... Could be wrong though...
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:34 PM
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35. Stewart has become a tool ever since that rally he had last year.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:47 PM
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44. Go Watch it for yourself.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:34 PM
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36. That is why he is a comedian.
I have yet to see the killers lawyer ask for a psychiatric evaluation to try to get her client declared insane to pursue an insanity defense. Crazy is speculation.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:39 PM
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38. Thanks for the warning. Won't be watching tonite.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:39 PM
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39. Here on the West Coast....we wait.
I love JS. Maybe we have to read between his lines? We shall see.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:42 PM
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40. If the reverse happen would the right resist the urge to blame the left?
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 11:45 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
After 911, Katrina, Haiti, there were several prominent figures on the right who specifically blamed liberals. I respect Jon but why is it that the left must always practice restraint even when we get our teeth bashed in? I'll never understand that.
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:44 PM
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41. Had to turn away from the TV, I think he is off on this one.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-11 11:45 PM by Lifelong Protester
Ok, so no one could have predicted this guy in this place, but frankly, we would all be accused (and rightfully so) of having our heads in the sand if we did see that it WAS going to HAPPEN somewhere, sometime soon. Sorry, but which side, the right or the left, has been ratcheting up the rhetoric of '2nd Ammendment Solutions"?

I lived through the 8 years of Bush, and do not recall, no matter how upset we were with him, that anyone on the radio or TV used elimination language on Bush, nor a major Democratic candidate for any office pretended not to hear "KILL HIM" at their political rallies. Anyone? What did I miss?


I'm sure this imbalanced soul could have shot anyone, but he shot a Congresswoman and those who came to hear her/petition her/freely assemble as is our constitutional right. He did not shoot up a workplace, he did not go into the supermarket and start shooting, he made it a political event because of his clear choice of targets.

After all of the ruckus and violent rhetoric of the summer town hall meetings, and if memory serves me correct, it was the right and their hatred of Obama and "Obamacare" that stirred the pot, who could not see this coming??

I'm just a dumb bunny at the computer keyboard, I know, but I've already been chided here today for being full of righteous indignation. Well, sorry. Lived through enough assasinations in my years to know that if you don't get some righteous indignatin going to make a change, the alternative is just to shrug your shoulders in an effort to 'calm down'.

Not calming completely down here. Still quite upset. Still willing to call for the rhetoric to be toned down, the talk of "kill" anyone or anything to cease.
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:25 AM
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47. Man, he is a piece of work
First he holds a big, over-hyped, stupid rally to draw one massive stinkbomb of a false equivalency between left and right.

Then he goes and devotes a show to a rambling "special commentary" designed to keep right-wingers from taking too much heat over the AZ massacre.

He should probably have Sarah on the show next week so she can thank him in person. :puke:

I don't believe he's even a liberal - he's an overrated, grossly over-rewarded corporate lackey.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:31 AM
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49. I don't care for him myself. He seems disengenuous to me.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:42 AM
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50. I won't go anywhere near that far but his Wolf Blitzer impression is lame
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:45 AM
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51. What heaping pile of BS this post is.
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:11 AM
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56. Yes you already posted your preemptive shaming
of anyone who dares criticize Stewart. Your case was made most eloquently. :eyes:
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:50 AM
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53. I hate that piece of shit. How DARE he?! How DARE he say something I don't agree with
He's the kind of scum that should be dragged out into the street, shot and pissed on a daybreak. He's the kind of man who needs to be keelhauled under the George Washington. I mean, what kind of prick spends years and years slamming Bush and making him look like an idiot, then just one day says, "Enough of all this bias talk dividing our country, I should actually DO something to TRY to show we are united"? Really, what a fucking loser. It totally undermines the objectives of all liberal people, that being that the right wing must die. There's absolutely NO room for people in this country who have a difference of opinion than me. Democracy should have ended in 1958 when there were lots of union jobs and prosperity. We could have just left it the way it was then and no right wing assholes exercising their right to vote could have ruined it. Anyone who even HINTS at anything besides THAT ideal is a corporate pigdog fuck-toy that should be chemically castrated.


................. :eyes:
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:09 AM
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55. Yeah, that's right, how DARE he
How DARE he declare that Bush/Cheney are NOT war criminals and that those who say otherwise need to have their sanity restored. How fucking dare he.

How DARE he have one neocon piece of shit after another on his show and not only refrain from asking difficult questions, but actually make excuses for their actions (witness his recent interview with Condie Rice as merely the most recent example).

I am greatly offended by anyone who assists in giving the Bush/Cheney cabal a soft landing, and I am offended by his false equivalencies, which damages the left and does a great service for the batshit crazy right. So yeah, fuck him. And while I most certainly did not call for his chemical castration or anything of the kind FFS, I do not care to support his career. You go ahead and be a fan if you want to. :eyes:
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:12 AM
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57. He did a lot more to hurt them than he did to help them ALOT more
More than any blog run by a half-assed political hawk.
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:30 AM
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61. It didn't amount to much though, did it?
When you stand back and take stock, it was a very limited hangout approach. Never did the Bushies any real damage, but it engendered a lot of trust in Stewart. Now he's betraying that trust IMO.

I'm sure you'll disagree, but that's the way I see it.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:12 AM
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58. You obvioulsy dont know what a false equivalency is.
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:25 AM
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59. LOL
Care to elucidate?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:26 AM
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60. Equivalent means equal. Never did Stewart say the Left and Right were equal
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:31 PM
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90. You are misrepresenting Stewart's claims. Whether or not you actually know you are doing this is
beyond me.
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:57 PM
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93. only his barely coherent backpedaling after the fact...
After people got offended, and his petulant, babbling defensiveness began.

The rally and everything leading up to it was quite unambiguous.

And he's still promoting the gentle handling of right-wingers. Must be in his contract.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 03:29 AM
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67. I agree. What the hell was so liberal about tonight's program?
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 03:30 AM by Major Hogwash
Usually he is sort of cheeky, but when he acts like he is the "head of the liberals" and talks down to us, he completely jumps the track.

He can't name one Republican who was even pushed down by a Democrat or a liberal, let alone shot in the head, in the last 30 fucking years.
I don't know what kind of fucking money he's making, but if his contract calls for him to run down the middle of the road politically, he's not going to have much of an audience after awhile.

I stopped watching him about a year and a half ago because he was just making fun of President Obama and Democrats and I realized he has more in common with Hannity than I do -- he'll still be making money on his fucking program making snarky remarks about liberals and Democrats, no matter how hard Democrats like me work to make this country better. I knew back then, he'll still have a job pontificating, whether the Democrats are in control of Congress in 2011 or not.

Maybe he can go invite Tom Delay, or Don Rumsfeld, or Dick Cheney, or Bill the Butcher to be on his program and interview them.
But, I won't be watching.

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:28 PM
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89. Stewarts mistake at the rally was assuming people were trained in classical debate.
I don't think very many people even knew what he was talking about. Your post does not represent what he was talking about.
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:49 PM
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92. LOL - yeah, it was over my head...
THAT was the problem.

Apparently it was also over the head of Glenn Greenwald and many other analysts and activists on the left, but I guess we're just not up to the intellectual level of mental giant Jon Stewart and the super-smart Daily Show audience. :eyes:
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 05:23 PM
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98. Yes, what he was saying was over your head, but it is not that complicated.
Understanding argumentation doesn't take intelligence, it takes knowledge.
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 06:08 PM
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100. A minimal ability to spot sophistry and equivocation
collapses Jon Stewart's so-called argumentation (snort), but you keep hurling those insults if it makes you feel all smart and stuff.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:31 PM
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105. I haven't hurled any insults. Nobody is familiar with every subject.
If you were trained in classical argumentation, you would understand the subject better. The speech/interview he gave is not the speech/interview you heard.
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 05:30 AM
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108. condescension fail
But I'm finding your attempts to credit him with these hidden depths rather humorous.

I don't know if you're familiar with Stewart's career prior to TDS, but we are not talking about a cerebral comic here, to put it mildly. He is utterly lost without his writers, as anyone who saw "A Daily Show" during the writers strike may well remember.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 10:18 AM
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110. I have not failed at being condescending because I have not attempted to be condescending.
I don't think your stupid, and I don't think Stewart is a genius. I do think Stewart is above average in intelligence, but I don't think he is an Einstein or a Martin Luther King jr.

I think he took some communication and English college courses at some point and was contrasting their content against what we see in the media.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:45 PM
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106. Used to love him, now...
he's a total tool. :/
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:30 AM
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48. He is entitled to be wrong occasionally.
And you know, he is a comedian.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:54 AM
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65. I've been skeptical of him every since he went after KO
and Ed. x(
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 03:01 AM
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66. I watched both Stewart and Colbert
And respectfully I disagree.

But I guess we can disagree and no, he is not telling liberals to tone it down. Just like KO on Saturday he is calling all to measure their speech.

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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 06:37 AM
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73. One cannot predict the date, time, and location, of crazy
but the notion that one cannot predict crazy relies on a rather pollyannish view of the world. Sorry Jon, they are really out there, and always were.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 06:42 AM
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74. good for Jon
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 06:53 AM
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76. lets see, stewart has rally, tone down rhetoric cause could cause this. this happens. conclusion?
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 06:56 AM by seabeyond
rhetoric didnt cause this to happen, tone down accusation rhetoric caused this to happen.

there is a word for that

IF the rw didnt use violent rhetoric, then this crazy would be on his own and the right would not need to be ducking for cover. it is that simple
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 07:49 AM
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79. then why was it predicted so clearly, fuck stewart.
and his show
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:00 AM
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83. Remember that DHS report that everyone slammed?
The one about the rise in RW extremism

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/14/homeland-security-report_n_186834.html

How quickly Jon forgets! :eyes:
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:04 AM
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84. I beg to differ. We know there are mentally unstable people; we
know they have easy access to guns; we know that heated political rhetoric will set some of them off.

What else needs to be said?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:05 AM
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85. i think that is what stewart said at rally and why he wanted toned down. nt
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:07 AM
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86. You can't always predict Which crazy but you could predict there would be crazy
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trayNTP Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 09:17 AM
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87. Jon Stewart is a *COINCIDENCE THEORIST*, therefore he's an apologist for agitators.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 09:24 AM by trayNTP
Come to back to reality Stewart.

This --> http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/insurrection-timeline <-- reality.

Words have consequences. They lead to actions.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 02:35 PM
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91. I like Jon, but he's wrong. You can certainly predict crazy, when prominent public voices
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 02:36 PM by TwilightGardener
are constantly telling some mentally "off" citizens that their elected officials are grievously harming them and the country as a whole. Incite anger and fear, mix in some gun rhetoric...yeah, you can predict crazy.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 05:35 PM
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99. Jon attacks a strawman, liberals blame the tone and atmosphere
of political rhetoric that doesn't blink when candidates use violence and violent rhetoric particularly calls to violence against opponents. You can't always predict crazy, but you don't have to be part of the craziness.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 07:31 PM
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102. What do you expect from a very rich white dude?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 07:39 PM
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103. Not all right wingers are crazy, but most crazy people are right wing!
Sorry Jon, but you can always predict right wingers as crazy.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 07:42 PM
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104. The reason you're not suppose to speak such hateful bullshit for one
is that you can't predict crazy. I disagree with Stewart.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 05:37 AM
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109. So all that stuff about "restoring sanity" really isn't important?
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 10:24 AM
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111. THIS is why I watch Colbert
He's appropriately funny without being preachy. His segment on the shooting wasn't all maudlin and hand-wringing like Stewart's and continued to take the piss out of the media. He "stayed on target"...so to speak.
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