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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 10:40 PM
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Re: RW hate talkers... does advertising work?
A common thread of the right-wing talkers in the wake of something like this (Dr. Tiller, US Holocaust Museum shooter, Pittsburgh ambush, etc.) is that there just simply no way that they bear any blame at all for anything their listeners or readers do.

Okay, then... does advertising work?

We as members of a modern technological society, are bombarded nearly every second of every day with advertising. This page probably has some kind of ad on it, unless you're a donor and have turned the ads off. Cars, trucks, beer, television shows, movies, accountants, hospitals, electronics companies... they all have TV commercials, billboards, embedded and pop-up internet ads, print advertising, and sponsorship of major sports and political events right there on the field of conflict.

Does this advertising work? Would you buy or sell stock in, say, Burger King if they issued a press release saying there were going to stop advertising completely and just lower their prices a bit? How about Ford or Toyota or Coors or Paramount Pictures or Samsung?

Would you buy stock in a company that had a great product but who's board of directors said "we're not going to waste a dime on advertising"?

You would probably sell the stock if you had it, and not buy it if you didn't. By doing this, you tacitly admit that advertising does work on the overall population and can influence the masses.


So, then the words spoken by people in the media are influential because they are a form of advertisement. John McCain advertised himself as a patriotic maverick, George W. Bush advertised himself as a compassionate conservative, the Iraq Invasion was advertised as a war on the people that attacked us and to protect us from future attack. Saxby Chambliss advertised his opponent as some sort of terrorist-cuddling pacifist, and during the inter-war period some 80 years ago an election was won by some savvy psychopath that advertised his opponent as a "practicing homo sapien" and his wife as a something along the lines of "being a proud thespian".


It works. It works. It most definitely works, or else Madison Avenue wouldn't spend billions of dollars annually on doing it. If it didn't work, there wouldn't be battalions of psychologists and analysts and researchers and people with advanced degrees in marketing in expensive office buildings working thousands of hours a year to make the advertising!


9 of the top 10 talk-radio hosts are conservatives. Some of them also have television shows. All of them have websites. And on those radio and television shows they have dozens of guests a week who advertise opinions, false or selective facts, tall tales, rhetoric, and their take on theories about politics or economics or psychology or social interactions or whatever. The pitch books and websites and rallies that all advertise a certain worldview.

They can't claim they have no influence when a RW nutjob opens up at a mall or ambushes police officers or mails fake anthrax to a Senator. It's there. It is nebulous, but it is most definitely there.

If we can't show smoking or lack of seat belt use or women's breasts or happy, well-adjusted gay people on TV because it influences people, then what the RW talkers do influences people as well.

It influences them every day, directly or indirectly. It sets the tone and the talking-point for discussion at work, at home, in the car, on the train.

For then to try to deny it is for them to tell their advertisers "don't spend money on MY show; nobody listens to me".

Remember that.



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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-11 11:12 PM
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1. RW May Have A Point
When Republicans have meetings they are always closed door and by invitation only. If anyone dares to protest at their meetings they are immediately removed. Nobody complains about censorship when that happens.

By contrast, Dems are too timid to have closed doors meetings. They have open meetings and allow dissenters to voice their hate filled shit all the time. Anyone can show up at their meetings even if they are armed and dangerous. Thus, the Democrats did indeed contribute to this disaster as it was bound to happen.

As I have written on this forum for years, the Dems will enjoy the same success as the Pukes when they learn to stop being timid and when they adopt the same tactics as they do. One thing more - I predict that this same tragedy will happen again. And you will have no choice but to admit that it is the open meetings held by the timid Dems that caused it.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 01:02 AM
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2. The RW media (Faux News., RW talkers, and the corporate media)...
...would flog the Dems, and only the Dems, for having closed-door, invitation-only town hall meetings. Faux News does not particularly care about ratings; they'll flog the story as hard as they flogged, say, the Park 51 Project ("ground zero mosque") or the "Obama's trip to India will cost $200 million a day" stories until they force the corporatist media to also cover it.

Likewise, if the Repubes do it, not only will it not be mentioned, they will invent a new controversy to cover them not covering it. Obama prefers hot dogs prepared New York style, not Chicago style! Quick! 24/7 coverage!

Besides, Faux News management knows that fiction gets better ratings than facts, so Faux News has an inherent advantage over the less-partisan competition.
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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 12:13 AM
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3. What you say is true
... which is why Dems need to stop being so timid. Just point out in every blog or web forum that Repukeblicans hold only closed door meetings. Once Dems learn to call a spade a spade it will make all the difference in the world. But will they ever learn? I think not.
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