this democratic voter of forty years has never felt so.....

[spanone]

screwed.

deflated.

underwhelmed.

desperate.

helpless.

fucked.

pissed off.

offended.

violated.

outraged.

pessimistic.





:argh:

[emilyg]

1. Exactly how I feel.

[texanwitch]

2. Yep.

All the above.

[peace frog]

75. Ditto

With the addition of "isolated" because I live in the Villages aka teabagger central. These folks hate them some dirty hippie commie libruls around these parts.

[XemaSab]

3. I am nonplussed and mildly bemused

This would feel much worse if I was employed and had a house and car payments and was paying my student loans back like a responsible citizen, knowwhatimean?

[Scruffy1]

4. You and millions like you. Me too.

I didn't expect much, not even a pony , but I was hoping for a little let up in the storm. Keep your hatches battened.
It's going to get a lot worse.

[caty]

5. Ditto

I have come to the conclusion that all I can do is vote.
Then, I wake up the next day, find out who won, and adjust.
But I won't stop voting and I won't stop voting Democratic.
If I ever voted for a rethug, I would walk out of the
voting booth gagging. :puke:

[KittyWampus]

6. So turn off the computer and do something else other than politics. It's abundantly clear a lot of

people really can't handle politics.

[Vanje]

8. There we are!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1696188&mesg_id=1696241

[spanone]

9. thanks for your kind words

if my computer could turn off politics, i would have smashed it years ago.

[EFerrari]

11. Try not to smother spanone with your compassion. n/t

[Lasher]

18. Hee hee.

[malaise]

79. Getting up off the floor

:hi:

[Solly Mack]

82. :o)

[Miss_Underestimated]

117. right on!

:rofl:

[SusanaMontana41]

176. ... heh

:evilgrin:

[Armstead]

14. You obviously can't, based on the idea of politics as human interactions

[emilyg]

20. I can handle politics. Not so

good at handling what America has become.

[WinkyDink]

22. This isn't a game called "politics" that's being played; it's lives and futures.

People can't "do something else," except....die.

[sabrina 1]

23. They can handle politics. What they are finding it hard to

do is handle betrayal. But they, we will get over that and we'll be better than we were when we were being led to believe that there were two distinct political parties with two separate sets of values.

It's been a shock, that's true, but in many ways it's also liberating. Eg, we will no longer be puzzled by Democrats breaking ranks with just enough of them crossing over to get Republican bills passed. Then a new group doing the same thing with another bill. It used to drive me crazy, why could they not be united?

Well all of that has been explained and we are now a much more informed electorate. We will no longer fall for the excuses circulated by political operatives to try to explain away why Progressive Democrats, even with majorities everywhere, could never win.

The old talking points handed out to slam puzzled Democrats with, or list of words such as 'ponies' 'martyr' or 'you don't understand politics' and 'so you want Palin' etc. etc. have become nothing more than comical in light of what we now know.

It's so much better to know what is going on. It makes going forward so much easier and makes it possible to organize and strategize without the influence of the old operatives. Those days are gone and that's a good thing.

[FredStembottom]

61. Deepest appreciation, Sabrina.

Thanks so very much. My whole point of being involved in politics, and this board, has always been to get Democrats to see that our failings are not our own. That the Democratic Party has been infiltrated and thoroughly corrupted since the Clinton admin.

The only road to freedom lies through reform of our own party.

The day we all get through the sadness of realizing that the Republicans are not so successful as our Democrats are corrupt, we will begin to grow in strength.

As long as we elect only millionaire Democrats, who can see their personal bank accounts(as well as their campaign funds)rise immediately with each capitulation to the Repubs., we will have "mixed" results for you and me. Spinelessness is just so wonderfully profitable!

Should we get our Party back, Republicanism is doomed. Because true Democratic values help MILLIONS immediately. And those MILLIONs vote. No campaign dollar ever walked into a voting booth.

But millions of jobless finally finding good jobs? They MARCH on polling places just as they did for FDR.

Salvation awaits us on the other side of that terrible awakening.



:hug:

[sabrina 1]

69. I completely agree with this:

The only road to freedom lies through reform of our own party.

I wish we had realized it sooner, but the Bush years were probably not a good time for that.

Now though, hopefully every effort that used to go into the WH campaigns, should go into electing as many Progressives to Congress as possible.

I hope this president begins to see the light, that no, contrary to what he thinks, the current Republican Party does not have 'good ideas'. Maybe the Old Republican party did. What I hope moderate Republicans will do is try to reform their Party also rather than joining this one and continuing the trend of creating two Republican Parties.

I hope they realize, sane Republicans, that it is better for them stay in their own party too, to get rid of the radicals and Koch-bought idealogues who are dragging down the whole country. We can always compromise with rational people in the opposite party, but not inside of our own anymore.

Thanks for your post, Fred :-)

[MedicalAdmin]

88. It occurs to me that one of the reasons Paul Wellstone was murdered...

was that he was advocating reforming the Dem party. And then his plane fails and the FBI shows up 3.5 hours from their office in .5 hours and cleared all local police off the crash site and did who knows what for 3 hours.

Blind patriots are dangerous.

[MedicalAdmin]

102. It occurs to me that one of the reasons Paul Wellstone was murdered...

was that he was advocating reforming the Dem party. And then his plane fails and the FBI shows up 3.5 hours from their office in .5 hours and cleared all local police off the crash site and did who knows what for 3 hours.

Blind patriots are dangerous.

[FredStembottom]

165. What you said!

"Now though, hopefully every effort that used to go into the WH campaigns, should go into electing as many Progressives to Congress as possible."

Exactly. Let's "de-value" the prez race* and concentrate elsewhere.



*This includes keeping Obama as a mere placeholder - or someone who can be pushed. His choice.

[girl_interrupted]

158. +1000

[hifiguy]

181. Home run, sabrina

as per usual. :applause::patriot:

[Melinda]

32. spanone cut his eye teeth on the Viet Nam war; you wouldn't know REAL politics if it hit you in the

bag of cheetos you're munching on as you type on the computer in your undies.

Tossing stones on a web site doesn't earn you bona fides, living in the real world does.

[donheld]

38. +1

[Bluebear]

40. I don't know who "ignored" is, to whom you are posting here....

but bravo~! :)

[Fuddnik]

85. It's one I should be ignoring.

[DeSwiss]

147. Same here.

We IGNORE the same people!!!!

[Bluebear]

172. :)

[COLGATE4]

48. K&R. Some posts are just way too similar to watching monkeys

throw crap.

[Lorien]

118. +2. nt

[girl_interrupted]

159. +1000

[City Lights]

44. How motivating!

:eyes:

[deutsey]

53. Do you go into ICU wards and berate people for being unable to handle life?

[PVnRT]

54. It's also abundantly clear

that a lot of people simply go into freakout mode whenever others post something that's not praising the President to the rafters.

[Angry Dragon]

71. What is happening in DC and around the country in most states

is not politics

It is all out war on 95% of the American people

Politics is when reasonable people sit down to
find ways to move the country forward, not backwards

[Missy Vixen]

77. I've been "handling politics" for the past forty years

Let's hear how long you've been at it, and even more, how many elections you've voted in over the past thirty years.

:woohoo:

[RetroLounge]

110. And others are just asses

just saying.

RL

[Lorien]

119. There are asses

and then there are Wumpasses.

[mochajava666]

146. That was very funny. Well said.

[RetroLounge]

170. I must spend too much time on Facebook

I was looking for the "like" button.

:hi:

RL

[JanMichael]

121. God I wish DU allowed unreccing individual posts. UNREC. nt.

[guruoo]

129. Undeniably true, but predictably unpopular. nt

[Ignis]

132. SHOUT HIM DOWN LOUDER!

:puke:

[PhoenixAbove]

138. I am...

Going to a "Jobs not Cuts" rally tomorrow in an attempt to confront so-called Senator Scott Brown of Mass. :puke:

Edit: This was in reply to the poster who said "So turn off the computer and do something..." (Sigh) So tired of these people telling me to DO something when I have been TRYING to do something for 35+ years now. I wonder where these people were when my Union (IUE) was bleeding jobs out of the country during Reagan. Heard crickets back then.

[frylock]

164. compassionate conservatism in full effect right here folks..

welcome to the nu fucking DU.

[woo me with science]

173. ...

[Name removed]

7. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Armstead]

12. "Enjoy thy Misery, You Wretch."

[William769]

10. ...

K&R!

[femrap]

13. I am so glad that

so many are catching up to how I felt after the 2006 Elections....we had both the House and Senate and there was no move for Impeachment. The W Administration was/is the most illegal of all administrations.

I knew then that we were OVER. The US of A is over. I knew it then and I'm relieved that others see it now. Let's form sustainable groups that get off the grid and live in a world of peace and democracy.

[Fuddnik]

86. I left about 6 months after that.

They continued funding the wars, renewed provisions of the Patriot Act, FISA, domestic surveillance.

I resigned from my DEC, where I was very active, and re-registered as No Party Affiliation.

My last election as a Democrat, I had to hold my nose and vote for New Democrat Congressman Jim Davis for Governor (he lost to Charlie Crist). Davis was one of 27 "New Democrats" who signed a letter the previous year urging Dennis Hastert to hurry up and bring that horrendous Bankruptcy Bill to the floor so they could vote for it.

Betrayal and disillusionment indeed.

[DeSwiss]

145. Yep.

+1000 :thumbsup:

[texanwitch]

15. This day was coming without some strong Democrats in the White House and Congress.

Why to much duck and cover going on.

The Republicans are bullies, and you have to stand up to bullies.

I could never understand the reasoning behind we the we don't have the votes so we won't try.

There were enough liberal Republicans who would have voted with the Democrats.

I would rather have a bloody nose and fight then run away.

[mitchtv]

16. Hey

:hi:

[spanone]

17. back atcha....

:pals:

[bhikkhu]

19. I remember when Reagan won over Carter, by a landslide

...I definitely get your point, but it would be hard to top that - and I definitely don't want to!

[CleanGreenFuture]

21. You got 10 years on me as a voter, but...yeah.

[southernyankeebelle]

24. We all feel the same way you do. I'm waiting for a leader to start the protest in DC.

[Mnemosyne]

49. Oct. 6th it begins. link-

http://october2011.org/node/435

[Lorien]

122. I think that we're going to have to lead ourselves

and there is a protest in October. Hopefully someone here can post some specifics.

[prayin4rain]

25. I'm perplexed, truly.... what the hell is going on??? I don't get it, I just don't get it. n/t

[Tx4obama]

26. So, you slept through the eight years of Bush?

You never felt the things in the OP during the Bush years more than now?
That is telling.

[spanone]

28. you make great assumptions....all false. that is also telling.

[Tx4obama]

29. I was going by what you said.

YOU said: never felt so.....
screwed.
deflated.
underwhelmed.
desperate.
helpless.
fucked.
pissed off.
offended.
violated.
outraged.
pessimistic.
----

And I DISAGREE.
I felt all of those things MUCH MORE during the eight years of Bush!
It was a hell of a lot worse when Bush was president.

[Melinda]

34. Caina, Antenora, Ptolomea, Judecca

But most especially, Antenora.

[tomg]

95. That's cold. Literally.

Also absolutely spot.on.

[Melinda]

107. He breaks my heart again, and yet again.

I am sorry yours has been broken too.

[RetroLounge]

112. Yup.

spot on...

RL

[Desertrose]

and I disagree.....at least when Bush was in we had hope that...

...we'd eventually regain power and get a *Dem* back in the WH and dems in the Congress.

What hope is there now when our "very own *Dem* prez" throws us to the wolves?

Nah, I knew Bush would screw us but I never thought Obama would in the ways he has.

never felt so.....
screwed.
deflated.
underwhelmed.
desperate.
helpless.
fucked.
pissed off.
offended.
violated.
outraged.
pessimistic.

[some guy]

37. heh

I posted about the same thing as you, at the same time.

I guess I'll leave mine up, since it does have the same time stamp. :toast: we can at least drink to our misery.

[Bluebear]

41. Very insightful, Rose.

I never considered that and of course that is what is bringing us to this level of disgust. "I knew Bush would screw us but I never thought Obama would in the ways he has"

[Desertrose]

64. When you give your trust to another

and they act like it's worthless and then end up doing what the other guy(s) have done....it's just so much worse than when you KNEW the guy was gonna screw you over. You were prepared, but this is like betrayal. A bit overstated perhaps but feelings are feelings.

Plus this situation makes you feel so helpless...you gave your vote to elect someone you thought was gonna get the job done but after its too late, you find out he was really doing the job for the other bunch, not you at all!!

:hug:

[Bluebear]

153. Love and solidarity to you

:hug:

[LWolf]

57. You know what hurts the most?

From my perspective, anyway...

All those feelings you listed? I haven't been able to get rid of them, and they feed more of the same. They shouldn't be in the driver's seat, but they are.

I'm having trouble finding any sacred space these days. :(

:hug:

[Desertrose]

62. I hear you sister.....it ain't easy.

Sacred space is a precious thing and really challenging to maintain. Much easier if I ignore the news...but how can you do that?? Its changing a mile a minute these days. Feel like I'm running downhill...couldn't stop if I tried.




BTW, how are you?? :hug::hug: and everyone else...kids, grandkids, "girls" & everyone?

[LWolf]

179. Better late than never!

Grandboy is doing well; a little stressed this summer, he's afraid of starting middle school next month. (Can you believe it???)

Everyone else is good, if poor. My mom, as of last winter, is spending winters with me, and within a few more years will probably be with me full time, but is still active and happy.

My oldest son, still in CA, is hanging in there. He was laid off, went back to school and got another degree, was hired back at the bottom of the ladder again, has a SO that he's serious about.

Youngest son is working, raising his son, and hanging in there. They live on their own now, with his SO and her father; both moved up from CA to rejoin him.

I'm hanging on to my place, horses, and job by the skin of my teeth. Yearly pay cuts and district lay-offs have been tense.

And...I have another horse girl to feed. I shouldn't. But...several months before the big economic melt-down, I got a breeding from a neighbor. So now I have 3 girls to find hay for. I don't have the time or $$$ to justify them, but so far I've managed to keep them in hay, wormer, vaccinations, and trims.

I'm hanging in there, hoping to come out of the current mess we're in okay.

How about you?

:hug:

[fivepennies]

115. I'm having trouble finding any sacred space these days.

You are not the only one. :hug:

[Doctor_J]

133. Bush abused us. Obama betrayed us

the second hurts worse, I think.

[some guy]

35. The difference

is with the Bush maladministration, we knew it was the enemy, and they had power and were destroying the nation.

You can take all those emotions to their extreme, and still retain a slight bit of hope that allies could achieve power, and start to set things right.

That happened,





except the allies seem to be virtually the same as the enemies.

[sabrina 1]

66. The difference is that despite how horrific the Bush years were

the 'left' was united about basic principles and had one thing we do not have anymore, hope that if we worked hard enough to get Democrats elected, we could turn it all around.

So, motivated by that belief, we succeeded, it was amazing, both houses of Congress AND the WH! The World thanked us!

And then, almost immediately, the excuses began. 'Yes we can' became 'No we can't'.

People on Democratic Boards began defending things, making excuses for, policies they railed against under Bush.

Just one example, when Bush tried to get his hands on Social Security, he suffered his first real defeat, his '50 state' tour to sell Republican lies about that program, ended pretty quickly.

And if the left had NOT stopped him, those funds would be gone like every other fund invested in our Capitalist, unregulated, corrupt market.

But since then, we have a Democratic President who has 'put those programs' on the table as part of his 'Grand Bargain' with Republicans, or the devil if you prefer. And worse, we see something we never saw during the Bush years, people on Democratic Boards actually trying to defend it.

All this has awakened people to something they, deep down, probably suspected when they saw Democrats often voting for Republican bills in Congress eg, like the Iraq War, eg, and couldn't make sense of it.

We know now that our political system has collapsed as far as the American people are concerned, and that is was not just the Republicans. That all the phony exhortations that we 'must vote for anyone with a 'D' after their name, regardless of their policies, just to 'get a majority', created a situation that gave us at least one and a half Republican Parties instead of two distinct parties.

Well we had our own 'grand bargain'. We did that, often reluctantly, and now we see the disastrous results and the mistake of voting for anyone who claimed to be 'on our team' because the much touted 'majority' got us precious little in terms of progreassive legislation.

But it was necessary to learn all of this so we do not continue down the road that led us here. Now, we can do something to change things. Knowledge really is power, and like it or not, there is no going back to where we were during the Bush administration, naively certain that all we had to do was vote for the guys wearing the 'D'. Now, they will have to prove they have a right to wear that letter, and that is progress.

[truedelphi]

73. Thanks for your response.

I really like your last sentence, "Now, they will have to prove they have a right to wear that letter, and that is progress."

[Kaleko]

151. Another fantastic post.

Complete disillusionment with sell-out Democrats is a necessary next step. If we want REAL change and a reality-based hope for a more equitable distribution of goods, we have to face the awful truth that both parties have practically merged into one since they've been acquired by Wall Street and a handful of multinational corporations who have no allegiance to any particular nation.

[dflprincess]

157. ^^^^^ditto^^^^^

as well as all your other posts in this thread.

Like the OP I've been active in the party 40 years - I still hold a local party office - and it's all I can do to drag myself to the meetings. I've seriously begun to debate whether I'll even bother to caucus next February. Though, the advantage we have here is that if Obama doesn't have a challenger, we can caucus "uncommitted".

[sabrina 1]

178. Thank you dflpri9ncess. It is so disheartening

We have a lot to think about in terms of what to do next now that the last card we thought was our best has been played and we lost. But hopefully just temporarily! Now we need a new strategy ...

[deutsey]

160. Well said. n/t

[Fuddnik]

92. The difference being, with Bush we KNEW we were fucked.

I was weeping when Obama was inaugurated. The nightmare was over finally.

Then all that hope and change shit just evaporated. There was no change. There is no more hope. Same shit, day after day, after day.

[Name removed]

100. Deleted message

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[Skittles]

141. IT IS WORSE NOW

I EXPECTED that shit from a repuke - not from a so-called DEMOCRATIC president

[dflprincess]

155. +1

[woo me with science]

175. [phone]

[Melissa G]

150. I Disagree

Shrub was Shrub. No big surprise, esp for those of us who lived through him with his part time job as Gov of Texas.

Reagan winning over Carter was devastating. Esp for those of us who only knew the idealism and trials and tribulations of the 60's. I walked around in a dazed shock for weeks. All the assassinations of the 60's did not compare, intense as they were.

The next thing that hit as hard was the theft of the 2000 election, but that did not compare to the abject shock of Kerry's quick abdication Without a fight. That was shock (and betrayal), like I had not felt since Reagan.

I seem to remember watching a Black man asking Kerry if we give you our vote, will you fight for it? Kerry agreed and then bailed by the next morning. People of color know that it is not enough to vote. You have to fight for your votes to count.

We Got Obama In, but what has it gotten us? The solvent programs that define Democratic Greatness redefined in Republican terms as Entitlements? These same programs on the table to be chopped up and fed to the Very Rich who Own the War Machine that sucks our coffers dry?

Sad Times, These.

[grahamhgreen]

163. But we expected Bush to act like a neo-con baby killer anti-Dem Republican.

[marlakay]

27. Sad, depressed, hopeless, angry...

and finally lack of any energy to fight about it all...

[jwirr]

30. Depressed enough that I am having trouble functioning away from

this computer. Just do not see the need.

[AmericaIsGreat]

31. I'm just left to fantasize about what if...

What if Gore/Gore or Gore/Kerry

No wars, no tax cuts, probably no Tea Party...

Absolutely kills me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. You are not alone, but ... tomorrow might

inject some optimism... alas we need to work against DC and not WITH it.

:hi:

[spanone]

45. feeling more optomistic this a.m....GO WISCONSIN

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[BeHereNow]

36. Check, check and check on all points.

:hug:
At least we have each other here on DU.
Think about the people in rural areas who are just saying,
"WTF?" to themselves with little support from a community like
we have on DU.

I am so grateful for so many friends on this board.
It really helps knowing we are not alone.
Don't you think?

BHN

[Leonardo Da Biker]

39. I feel the same way

and I had high hopes. I wanted to see some of the criminality of W put right. I wanted to see the troops come home. We STILL have the patriot act. We are STILL sending our best and brightest to die in foreign countries for corporate interests.
I wanted to see that patriot act shredded.
I wanted to see our involvement in Iraq -whatever the hell that was all abut in the first place- ENDED. It is not ended. Why the fuck are we STILL in Iraq? They have a functioning government now that was installed by free elections but we are STILL THERE. Are we to believe that the Iraqis are incapable of ruling themselves? Preposterous! This is Babylonia, the cradle of modern civilization. We have no fucking right to remain there subjugating these people.
Afghanistan is the same way. W blew the bugle and led the charge to "get them" for 9-11. Bin Laden is D-E-A-D. According to the pentagon the Taliban is so fucked over and tattered they couldn't organize a fart at a baked bean festival. Time to say DONE DEAL and bring our boys HOME. Forget the massive mineral deposits that have been discovered, forget the proposed oil pipeline, fuck all that.
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW. Again and again and again and again all down through history army after army has gone into Afghanistan and vanished into the sands of time. Does our army realy have to follow suit? For what?

I didn't vote for all this bullshit. I voted to STOP all this bullshit!

I had HOPE for CHANGE but it seems we got W's third term instead.

I have voted democrat in every election since I was old enough to vote starting with Mondale. He got slammed. I have never sat out an election since and I don't want to sit out the next one either but I feel we need a primary. If we don't have a primary we are going to get slammed again. We need a candidate who has a real shot at winning. We CANNOT afford a repeat of 2010. If we get that we are beyond fucked.

Andrew Cuomo, current governor of New York and son of the former governor of New York is a man who knows how to get things done. Look what he did with HUD. We WILL WIN with a candidate like that.

[emcguffie]

43. I'm with you.

And I am thoroughly perplexed as to why nothing has changed.

It's like living in a nightmare, from which you cannot wake up. And it just refuses to change back to normalcy. A bad dream. A bad dream. A bad dream.

Get me out of here.

[lonestarlib]

42. I feel the same. I was feeling really politically isolated, surrounded

by Texas T-baggers, until I discovered this group of 1000+ posters. Been a democratic voter since my first vote 41 years ago. I haven't been a member long or posted much, but thank you for being here.

[City Lights]

46. I'm right there with you, spanone!

Rec'd.

[Romulox]

47. Good. You've just started paying attention.

If I recall correctly, the OP has had some sharp words for Obama critics in the past.

[spanone]

51. hardly. paying attention years before you arrived.

best work on that memory too

[Romulox]

52. My point about just getting upset *now* stands.

I apologize if I've mistaken you for another poster. :shrug:

[Bragi]

50. K&R

[slackmaster]

55. It could be low testosterone

Get yourself checked.

[Solomon]

113. My Man!

:thumbsup: :hi:

[Hepburn]

56. Dem voter of 42 years...

...and I feel the same fucking way. I am ill over what is going on...:puke:

[RebelOne]

68. I feel the same way. I am a Dem voter of 51 years.

My first presidential vote was for JFK when I was 21.

[progressoid]

58. 30+ yr voter.

I've been fighting those feelings for the last decade or so. I had a brief sparkle of hope that things would change when, well, you know, hope and change and all of that.

But now I just plod along...trying to pretend that we are royally fucked.

[marions ghost]

59. yeah

Solidarity.

[Bettie]

60. 27 year Dem voter and I feel the same way

Those words describe very well how I'm feeling.

I am without hope. I fear for my children's future.

[Rex]

63. Same here and a few more words.

[bullwinkle428]

65. I'll also add "abandoned".

[Liberalynn]

67. +1

and have been voting Dem for 30 years now.

[GreenPartyVoter]

70. I hear that

[indepat]

72. This Democratic voter of more than 50 years feels all those raw emotions, and

as lagniappe, being Quislinged. :patriot:

[katty]

74. Yup me too

[katty]

76. GOP agenda since FDR's New Deal: Destroy the New Deal...

forever-it appears their golden pyramid only for the privileged is almost complete.

[UrbScotty]

78. Then DO SOMETHING about it! In Wisconsin they're fighting back.

[tpsbmam]

80. We're about the same in age....41-year Dem voting history here

and I feel exactly the same. I'll add betrayed & lied to.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Solly Mack]

81. I think spanone is great.

and not just because I share some of those same feelings.

K&R

[DeSwiss]

83. And this democratic voter of forty years feels exactly the same as you. :-/ - K&R n/t

[EFerrari]

84. A little more than 40 years ago, American youth felt so alienated

they left home in droves. And they weren't the only ones because all the people out on the street protesting were not youths.

[G_j]

87. yep

agreed :cry:

[Enthusiast]

89. Brother, I know exactly how you feel.

I feel exactly the same.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

90. I'm getting in the line behind you

[a2liberal]

91. K&R (n/t)

[Doc Martin]

93. Ditto

[pam4water]

94. Been feeling that for years but DU tell me the problem is I just don't love Obama enough.

:sarcasm:

[orbitalman]

96. K & R

[mmonk]

97. Without representation, that is the feeling for sure.

We are mere pawns on a chess board.

[sunwyn]

98. I agree whole heartedly. At least with Bush I knew what to expect.

[MissDeeds]

99. Same here, friend

Same here.

:cry: :banghead:

K&R

[secondwind]

101. I do too, but I never lose HOPE!

[spanone]

108. me neither...i'm too old and ornery

[ProfessionalLeftist]

103. You're not alone with those feelings. n/t

[WillyT]

104. Me Too !!! - K & R !!!

:banghead:

:kick:

[democrank]

105. Democratic Perty voter for nearly 50 years here, spanone.

I sincerely know how you feel. It`s heartbreaking, but we didn`t go through Vietnam, the Civil Rights movement and all the rest to give up now. We have to show the ones coming along how to stand for something, even when it hurts. Hang in there....

~PEACE~

[tnlefty]

106. I hear you, and the state is a friggin' mess, too!

My county sucks even more as the rethugs took that over, along with the school board. :hug:

[spanone]

111. my state is talking about raising taxes because fed money won't be coming...

so republicans are totally snowing the american public....you may not get your fed taxes raised but you'll get your local and state taxes raised...it's all BS

[tnlefty]

120. We're in the same state...

I just didn't capitalize the tn in tnlefty.

I thought that you knew that after all these years. :hi:

[awoke_in_2003]

109. K&R...

I really feel bad for the grandchildren.

[Name removed]

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[tblue]

116. scared

depressed
dismissed
taken for granted
betrayed
pissed

[humbled_opinion]

123. Ummmm Hmmmmmm !!!!!

[dgibby]

124. Great list.

Might I suggest adding: Betrayed.

[hay rick]

125. Stop paying attention!!!

[on point]

126. The word you were looking for I think is "Betrayed" or "Quisling"

Polls, votes, demonstrations all express our view points, which are simply ignored.
The politicians, media, corps and other powers are simply not listening anymore.

The polls are very clear as to what people want and don't want by super majorities. The politicans are pushing exactly the opposite in near every case.

I think one reason we do not see major demonstrations now, is that like the Air traffic control strike under raygun, bush the liar took away the soul of demonstrations by ignoring MILLIONS of people who marched against his committing the war crime known as the Invasion of Iraq. If they are simply going to ignore us, then we must find another way. Demonstrations do not work. Apparently the justice system does not either as impeachment was off the table and we don't want to 'look backward' and hold anyone accountable.

The piled up debt is the testimonial record of the failure of the republicans and the whole right wing conventional wisdom out there in politico land, especially including the DLC operatives, whether it be unneeded war or the supply side / deregulation economic fraud perpetrating on the US over the last 30 years. In the process of running up the debt to the tune of 10 Trillion dollars (6T under bush the liar alone) they transformed common social wealth into massive transfers to private wealth for the top 1%. And now they want us to pay down the bill for THEIR failures and theft?!

I say let's change the terms of discussion. The tax rate on the wealthy should be 90% until we pay down their bill, including interest, for THEIR failures, not ours. Oh yeah, no cuts to our benefits AT ALL along the way. That's not to say some programs don't need help, but they are easy to solve if politicos listened.

Social Security? Increase the cap on salary, or include all income. Problem solved.

Medicare, medicaid? Bigger problems but they are partly symptoms of an inefficient 'private insurance' system. Changing it to a more efficient single payer system with private doctors and hospitals, like in Europe would provide enough savings alone to shore up the system in a major way and would flatten the cost curve. Nope, can't even be part of the discussions. No public hearings or anything that might show what a good idea this is. Again the politicos are on the wrong side.

The right track wrong track polling data has been very cleat for years. People do not like the direction of our collective leadership.

This particular voter has voted in every single election that was possible to vote in, primaries, special elections at all levels as well as the general elections since being of age. And I will vote again in every upcoming election, but I will only vote for those who are willing to work for us and to lead the country back in the correct direction. I am sorry to say that no longer includes Obama. I can't even stand to listen to him anymore. Nothing but platitudes. He will have to engage in a 180 degree turn and prove himself through significant, meaningful action. His words are meaningless. Now every time I hear him draw a firm line in the sand, I hear "Beep Beep Beep" in the background as he backs up and caves. I never knew that hopeful circular Obama logo was actually the symbol for 'cave'.
(thanks to who ever created the beep beep meme)

(edits for errors)

[B Calm]

127. Obama will do away with NAFTA and everything will be okay. . .

[Raine]

128. Me too

and especially when there is someone with a "D" after their name heading the government. :argh: :-(

[bvar22]

130. I've passed through all those,

caught & passed through disgust,
and now am verging on pure CONTEMPT.

I have been LIED to and USED way too much.
I can't even watch the Leader of the Democratic Party on TV anymore.




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[Roci]

131. OK, But..

What are you going to DO about it?
-Curl up in a ball and die?
-Get ready to take another shot up the tailpipe?
-Turn on, tune out, and hope the "Party of NO" comes after you last?

The answer to all of these has to be no.
It starts with you becoming active and vocal in your local Democratic Party. If you don't know where that is in the county you live in, try the Net.
It's OK to be all of the things that you say you are. But it all adds up to exactly nothing if you don't turn all of that into action. If we want our Party back, we're going to have to TAKE IT BACK.
We've been stuck with a "ringer" for a President. Someone who won't fight for anything or anyone. See where we've landed? Don't be like him.
Ok, fine. If the "man" in the White House won't fight for real Democratic values, then it comes down to us, the same way it did in 1968.
If you're angry, and if you're mad, don't just sit and stew while someone screws you "in absentia."

The future belongs to those who SHOW UP.

So, get mad, get constructively active, and SHOW UP.

[GeorgeGist]

134. Welcome to the Third World.

[RBInMaine]

135. That should ALL be entirely directed and the ReTeaPukes. Direct your anger at THEM.

[spanone]

142. trust me, it is.

[Raine]

177. WHY would the teaparty care or notice our anger?

It's better to let our own side know we are angry at THEM, because they should care and they should want to give us a reason not to be mad. :think:

[Paper Roses]

136. Ditto!! n/t

[pscot]

137. Amen, brother.

[on point]

139. Yes, lets be angry with the republicans, including Obama...

[Little Star]

140. Yep! Me too!

[Cool Logic]

143. I don't why that would be...

It's pretty much the same as it ever was. Politicians had lunch on K-Street then, as they do now.

[certainot]

144. have you checked the local right wing radio station lately?

that is just 1 of over 1000 yelling the exact same shit to 50 mil a week, protected by call screeners and prompted by paid callers.

you really don't have to go much further to know why we're in this mess.

[madokie]

148. ditto that

what you said

rec

[Auntie Bush]

149. Join the crowd!

I wonder if Obama realizes just how disillusioned Dems really are or if he's in his own protected little bubble...just like Bush?

[colsohlibgal]

152. Check

I'm with comedian John Fugelsang, who says he hates republicans for making him vote for democrats. We're starving to vote for someone rather than against someone.

There are good individual liberal legislators, but the official democratic party is somewhere right of Ike. Remember it was Clinton who initiated NAFTA and all the other insane free trade deals, who unleashed that "sucking sound" forecast by the very prescient Ross Perot.

My biggest hope is that maybe this historic overreach by Walker, Kasich, and others has awakened left leaning people and brought clarity to not so left leaning folks....and that this awakening/clarity has staying power.

[DesertFlower]

154. me too. nt

[femmocrat]

156. Democratic voter for almost 40 years here.

I never miss an election. Never voted for a republican. I have never felt so hopeless. When is the pendulum going to swing back our way?

[bertman]

161. Put me down as a 40+ year Democrat who stands with spanone!! REC. nt

[Pakid]

162. Welcome to my club

I know the feeling and watching the result from Wisconsin tonight it looks to be a disappointment. I have the added misfortune of living in western PA where people like me are few and far between. I wonder why so many of my fellow American have become stupid and that is the only way to put it. Why would anyone with half a brain want to see things like Social Security and Medicare cut or even done away with? I don't have a clue. What has happen to America, have the light gone out are we willing to turn back the clock 100 years and let the rich rule over us and use us? It seem that no one cares or listen to us anymore. The news media has become nothing more than a tool for the far right and the rich and the Democratic party a sell out. No one seem able to stop the down hill slide. We can't even get together a good general strike or large protest against what is happening!.

[syberlion]

166. What about some other words like...

Engaged

determined

focused

bombastic

empowered

adamant

insistent

loud

energized

imaginative

pushy

communicative

positive

and I am sure I can think of others. Point is, Politics is a team sport and as a team sport you can get mad, but instead of getting discouraged, you get up and get back to it. Pessimistic is what people are when they give up, when they let the other team's smack get to them and I for one am not giving in even though the other side has very loud cheerleaders, we still have the crowd. There are more of us then there are of them. They've just bullied us into being quiet. No more. I am Proud of being a Progressive and I let anyone I talk to know it. I let them know about progressive ideas, progressive candidates, progressive America.

I was bullied in elementary school, middle school and high school. The way the bullies won was because we were afraid of what others thought of us, because the bullies intimidated us into their warped world view. It wasn't until I stepped outside of their warped sense of reality and into a world of facts, a world of empirical knowledge, a world of sane people. I like it here and I want to work to get as many people into this world and out of the bully's warped world as I am able.

That is what we are pushing for here. Getting as many people into the light, into a sane world. The bullies are making their last-ditch attempt to make this a permanent crazy land. We have to push harder now, there is more at stake now because of things like Citizen's United, because of people like; secessionist Rick Perry, Quitter Sarah Palin, and Mean Girl Michelle Bachman. They are the bullies that ran their respective schools and now it is time to school them.

Now, get out there and fight for America, it is worth it, we are worth it.

[on point]

167. But you have to kick the guy off the team who is continually throwing the game

Thanks for pointing out all the word / things Obama is not!

The bigger point is people are fed up being 'played' by the dems.

It is time for change, big time!

[syberlion]

171. How about giving him a solid team that will back a progressive agenda

Be mad at him so you stayed at home and allowed the tea party crazies to win, is that how you get a progressive agenda?

Take back the house and strengthen the Senate and then see what can happen.

There are 23 Democratic seats up in the Senate and don't you know with Citizen's united we are going to see corporate spending like we've never seen before. The only way to defeat that is boots on the ground, there are more of us then there are of them. We the people have to take the House and strengthen the Senate. The corporate wet-dream is for us to get pessimistic and stay home in 2012.

We gave Obama a crappy congress who's standing goal is to defeat Obama and you're going right along with the tea party crazies. Obama's just one person, even if FDR himself was the current president, in fact FDR had a Republican house and went along with them as well and what happened? Same thing, and he was elected to 4 terms...

So, give Obama some credit, he's working with an elephant dung filled House and a Senate which we never had a filibuster-proof majority and he's gotten health care, which presidents as far back as Truman were trying to get for America. Single-payer was never going to pass through the process with the blanket of for-profit health care lobbyist on capitol hill, please. Don't ask, Don't tell, gone. All with the entrenched, Radical Right swooping after him like birds from a Hitchcock movie, only the movie birds were smarter...

The right wants you to be mad at Obama, the right is working tirelessly, through all sources of corporate owned media to train your thinking to distrust Obama, to dislike Obama, to engender a growing hatred of Obama. 90+% of the media is in the hands of a very few powerful people that want total control, they find democracy un-settling, messy. They want to totally control the message.

I refuse to allow that to happen. I may be just one person, but I know I can make a difference. Each of us can make a difference. Question the story, research and find out about the writer, the talking head, who is telling you the story and what is their agenda?

For too long we have sat back and accepted whatever the news told us. Well, the news is dead, there is no longer any integrity in news. So, we have to be diligent, we have to be aware, we have to question what is being sold to us. The Bush administration had fake news stories, who's to say the right-wing think tanks aren't continuing this with all the corporate-owned media?

Remember, when we are emotional, we tend to make bad choices, and the right wants us to feel bad emotions for 2012. We need to be clear-headed so we can be strategic, so we can have the facts straight, so we can mobilize and work towards positive goals. Whining isn't going to win elections, working is.

[realFedUp]

168. I'm feeling optimistic tonight.

This recall shows that people are fed up with the oligarchy in this country
and we are working to take our country back.

[placton]

169. ditto

wont be voting for many dems this time around - real ones are thin on the ground these days

[woo me with science]

174. K&R

You are not alone.

[hifiguy]

180. +1 and then some

I didn't feel this hopeless and helpless even during the days of Raygun and Chimpy. :(