I can't find that "Cross hairs" symbol used on any survey map

[Motown_Johnny]

I will admit that I can find places where a vertical line and a horizontal line meet at right angles, but I can't find a circle around it. Shouldn't someone be asked to provide proof that this is a symbol used on maps?

[Mz Pip]

1. Ummmm...

Because it's not?

[rfranklin]

2. Guess what? Palin's mouthpiece is full of crap....

I looked high and low as well and found nothing that looked like crosshairs amongst surveyor's symbols.

[Liberal Veteran]

3. See, there you go with your leftist eyes! It's right there.

If you take a racetrack symbol and superimpose it over an airport symbol, you have something that looks something like a crosshair! It's right there! Doncha see???

[Motown_Johnny]

5. for Airplane Races !!!! Of Course, how could I have missed that one?

:banghead:

[dkf]

4. Yelp uses something similar to pinpoint your current location on a map.

I'm looking at an iPhone app.

[Motown_Johnny]

7. they said survey map

[dkf]

12. Two of my Disney apps use it also.

I'm not sure if it's a surveying thing, but it seems to be a map thing.

[Motown_Johnny]

14. some GPS use it too, that isn't the point. They said survey map

Combine this with words like Reload, Target and Take Aim and then weigh it against the fact that they are wrong about where that symbol might appear.

It is clear that they are lying about what they intended it to imply

[dkf]

15. This is what you are looking for...

Oops. It's a freeper site. Didn't see the bottom.

Delete delete.

[Motown_Johnny]

16. Andrew Breitbart has some symbols with no link to where he got them

Nice



IMO this is more proof that they are NOT used on survey maps


Please find me an actual map created before the shooting that uses these symbols for evidence. Not something Breitbart created after the fact.

[Karia]

6. I've worked with survey maps

and never seen that symbol.

[spanone]

8. ....she's a coward

[Politicub]

9. You should send this to some of the news shows

I doubt they have done the research, and are just running with the Palin camp's statement.

[Rex]

10. Thank you for proving their lie so fast...Limpballs, Micfailin are you

reading this? You guys just should give up now, we got you red handed and I mean that. Stop telling your followers to go kill people, thanks.

[Canuckistanian]

11. The "cactus horizontal control" kinda sorta almost looks like crosshairs

Could it be that Palin was a cactusophobe?

[Motown_Johnny]

13. the triangle disqualifies it IMO

[Canuckistanian]

18. Dang!

I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I guess there is none now.

[Ruby the Liberal]

17. Nice find!

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Because it is not

I have used topo maps in rescue... nope, they are not used.

[Petrushka]

20. I've seen that "crosshairs" symbol on topo maps filed with coal mining permit applications.

At the following USGS link, about three-quarters of the way down the page, you'll find that same symbol under Control Data and Monuments . . . Principal Point** . . . in the right-hand column:

http://egsc.usgs.gov/isb/pubs/booklets/symbols/topomapsymbols.pdf
http://nyfalls.com/maps-topo-key.html

[Oilwellian]

36. Nope, it's not the same symbol

Look closer.

[Motown_Johnny]

38. Close but no cigar

Notice how the lines of the cross hairs extend out beyond the circle (unlike the symbol you claim is the same)? Also the interior of the circle is shaded in the cross hairs but not in the survey symbol.

[petronius]

21. The GIS software that I use (ESRI) includes the symbol in the standard point

symbol set, but it doesn't seem to be a pre-defined mark for a specific feature type.

That's not really the issue, though - it doesn't matter whether or not a circle with a cross over it has been used on a map before, the point is that the Palin map was clearly intended to refer to gun sights (and if you'd asked freeper-types what they were two weeks ago, 100% of them would have said so)...

[dkf]

22. Wikipedia says reticles, Aka crosshairs, are used for surveying, telescopes, and rifles.

"A reticle is a net of fine lines or fibers in the eyepiece of a sighting device, such as a telescope, a telescopic sight, a microscope, or the screen of an oscilloscope. The word reticle comes from the Latin "reticulum," meaning "net." Today, engraved lines or embedded fibers may be replaced by a computer-generated image superimposed on a screen or eyepiece. There are many variations of reticles; this article concerns itself mainly with a simple reticle: crosshairs.

Crosshairs are most commonly represented as intersecting lines in the shape of a cross, "+", though many variations exist, including dots, posts, circles, scales, chevrons, or a combination of these. Most commonly associated with telescopic sights for aiming firearms, crosshairs are also common in optical instruments used for astronomy and surveying, and are also popular in graphical user interfaces as a precision pointer. The reticle is said to have been invented by Robert Hooke, and dates to the 17th century.<1>"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reticle?wasRedirected=true

I honestly don't know if there are official surveyors symbols. There seem to be a bunch of variations.

[Spider Jerusalem]

23. The reticle is used in a surveying transit or theodolite.

Both are optical devices used to measure elevation and angle; line of sight is taken to a stick marked with elevation points.

And any discussion of whether these are supposed to be survey marks is pretty ridiculous anyway; "we're targeting these seats!" is pretty much the intent of the graphic. I sort of suspect anyone who sees that is going to think "rifle scope" before they'd think "surveyor's mark".

[dkf]

24. Yeah I'm not sure if it's possible to prove exactly what Palin's symbol is.

But it's obvious what the intent is.

[Petrushka]

25. Is that "intent" anything like the bullseye target symbol used in '04 by Democrats? --->

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

:shrug:

[dkf]

26. I'd say she was targeting them.

I wonder if she is malevolent enough to want them dead. I think she is a little more sane than that but who knows. She strikes me as pretty immune to any harm she causes, cavalier even.

[Rex]

28. Dunno, did any Dem use language back then to suggest their voting base go

out and kill someone? :shrug:

[Petrushka]

30. Not that I know or heard of . . . well, not unless "picking off" Republicans to stop 'em dead [uh]

means what the #1 definition from the Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms indicates, viz:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
pick somebody/something off also pick somebody/something off

1. to kill or shoot one person or animal at a time. Snipers picked the soldiers off one by one. The birds
in the nest were picked off by hawks.

2. to select and attack or defeat a particular person or group. During the race I just picked off the runners
ahead of me one at a time. We try to identify these criminal groups and pick their leaders off before they can
cause too much trouble. The Republicans picked off Democrats in Oklahoma, Alabama, and Mississippi in the last
election.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
:shrug:

Will Marshall (2004):
"But now Democrats should fight back with a realignment strategy of their own. They need to raid the red states,
picking off enough to stop the Republican realignment dead in its tracks, and start building a new progressive majority."

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

[Motown_Johnny]

37. and it did not say that it is used on survey maps

I use a transit in my work (occasionally) and I know full well that there is a vertical line along with one or more horizontal lines in the scope (depending on the model).

But they said it was found on survey maps, it isn't!

[Ellipsis]

27. I believe what she is attempting to scam off of is... what is called the "principal point".

In the day... We put together a Hardware/software Spec. for an open system GIS (geographical information system) solution for the state Wisconsin. From what I remember it's a photogrammetry term, not really a surveyors symbol it marks the center of an aerial photograph which would later be converted into topographic and tagged data. From what I remember it's transitory reference symbol not used in the final image.





It's major fail.

[moondust]

29. They are lying and they know they are lying.

I think it was Keith who addressed this tonight. The "surveyor's symbol" idea arose in a phone conversation that somebody in the RW media had with Palin today or yesterday. Palin was mumbling about how it wasn't crosshairs but she didn't say what it was. Then THE INTERVIEWER piped up and said "it was a surveyor's symbol" and Palin agreed that "yeah, it was a surveyor's symbol." Keith also showed a Palin tweet that unambiguously verified that she considered them crosshairs.

The wingnuts all know what they were and what happened and I'm sure many are pleased with the outcome.

[NoGOPZone]

31. Maybe it's one of those things Palin sees from her house, like Russia nt

[grahamhgreen]

32. Well, well. Game, set, match.

[pokerfan]

33. Weather Underground uses a similar symbol

But that's beside the point. According to Palin, they were always bullseyes.

[HopeHoops]

34. "Cut; fill" looks like Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[AngryOldDem]

35. The only thing I can compare it to are the color grids used for printing

They line up the colors so that they blend in an optimum manner. Each grid has a different color. I've been out of the publishing business for awhile so I don't know if those are still being used in color printing.

[pintobean]

39. Here's a construction laser target

Not the same, but close.