the debt "PROBLEM" started with Reaganomics Dogma that debt caused by tax cuts didn't count..

[dogmoma56]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cK2qsCJcWbM/TSZ9TPDV-aI/AAAAAAAAAg0/R4VxO5mEWWA/s1600/debt+graph+002.gif

the start of today's debt problem was created when Reaganomics stated that
"debt created by tax cuts didn't count"

because like the TV Evangelicals of today.... god will reward the righteous 100 fold.

a religious cult has taken over the GOP, it isnt an ideology anymore it is Dogma and they can't sin against god to make godless socialist Democrats happy.

this is the stuff Revolutions are made of.

better graph



note to Trolls:
if you cant take the truth... just fall on your Sword like a good Roman, do it for the Empire, then have a friend post it on Youtube so i can watch.

[alsame]

1. The Democrats missed the opportunity to frame tax cuts as

spending. They should have done this in the 80s.

[dogmoma56]

5. they ALWAYS MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO WIN HANDS DOWN

[alsame]

11. Yep. There's a reason they are mocked with the

"Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" line.

[tibbiit]

13. so true

historically true too.
tib

[graywarrior]

2. Just read about that here

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/15-6

[Motown_Johnny]

3. you are assuming the trolls have friends, and that they are able to post to youtube

other than that your post is flawless

[dogmoma56]

7. if they can find their Koch Brothers website, cut/paste daily talking points they can find Youtube

i'm try'n to start a movement here.. have em off themselves before they start blowing us up

they are beginning to get really aggressive. and since Abraham Vereide, doug coe's spiritual adviser approved assassination as a means to God's Utopia just before JFK, RFK, MLK..etc well:shrug:

there is a quality of cult like shrillness lately.. i dont put anything past those fools.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

4. K & R. Reagan's administration began the right wing TREND.

It has been with us through every administration. EVERY ADMINISTRATION.

That's why I call it a TREND. It's been killing our country.

[dogmoma56]

9. it was the NeoCons, started during Nixon, Reagan just read their script.>link>

http://blog.buzzflash.com/hartmann/10016

http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060560053/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1312738435&sr=8-3

http://doggo.tripod.com/doggchrisdomin.html

the story goes that Nixon made a deal to stop the Cold War with USSR, Chaney and others told him not to try, he kept at it and information was leaked to to 2 Pulitzer Prize wannabes, the rest is history.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

12. No doubt about it. I personally think that right wingers are psychopaths, some intensely so...

some to a lesser degree. However, I think Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, and GW Bush fit that prototype perfectly.

Unfortunately, we've had presidents that have not been right wing, but have jumped on the happy bandwagon of extremist capitalism, whose only intent is to enrich the already-rich and corporations, at the expense of everyone else.

And that's how we got here.

[dogmoma56]

14. i just read, Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us >link>>

http://www.amazon.com/Without-Conscience-Disturbing-World-Psychopaths/dp/1572304510/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312760613&sr=8-1

Dr Hare created the test to identify Psychopaths, it is the standard tool used in prisones world wide. he he talks a lot about most Psychopaths not being in prison, and politics being the place where their needs would be most provided.

i got the book because a Psychopath lives next door, and i work with a couple.

this is a Must Read Survival book.. i kid you not!!

[hfojvt]

6. many of them are still spouting myths

1. the tax cuts actually increased revenue

a. They 'prove' this by looking at total revenues and inflated dollars. Thus FICA tax revenues go up and cover up the fact that income tax revenues went down. Plus with 8% inflation tax revenues might go from $600 billion to $630 billion and they will point to that as an increase, ignoring the fact that the $630 is only $583 in REAL (inflation adjusted) dollars.

2. The Reagan and Bush deficits were caused by increased SPENDING - not by tax cuts

a. Even many DUers will make that claim, arguing that Bush spent like a drunken frat boy and that's how we got all this debt.

3. What about the loopholes? Many people believe that back in the day, nobody really paid those higher marginal tax rates because of all the loopholes. Unfortunately, I do not have tax statistics that go back before 1986, but I do have data that shows the top 1% have paid a smaller share of their income in taxes since 1986, particularly since 2002, after that share went up during the Clinton years.

[dogmoma56]

10. Bu$h43 was a drunken Frat Boy.. spent like one too, but tax cuts inflamed everything

Just one Bu$h43 tax cut cost well over 1.5 Trillion dollars in 10 yeqrs, ., Iraq alone will cost at least 3 Trillion, the needless loss and injury of our soldiers will never be known

[dogmoma56]

15. i just read-- Tear Down This Myth: The Right-Wing Distortion of the Reagan Legacy >link>>

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_19?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=tear+down+this+myth&sprefix=tear+down+this+myth

there are so many on this subject
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_19?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=tear+down+this+myth&sprefix=tear+down+this+myth

[democracy1st]

8. you got a pres that believes in Reaganomics!

[Ilsa]

16. "You"? How about "we". I don't care to debate whether it is true, though. nt