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Playinghardball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:45 AM
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The Tea Party Won't Like This. Pass It On....
Source: MoveOn.org

For the first time in history, the U.S. credit rating has been downgraded.

This “tea party downgrade” is a shameful blow to our nation’s honor and risks throwing us right back into recession. Worst of all? It was completely avoidable.

But when given the choice between extremist posturing and responsible leadership, tea party Republicans chose wrong. And now, amazingly, they’re blaming it all on Barack Obama.1

We have to set the record straight, and we’ve got a somewhat lighthearted graphic here designed to do just that. Can you share this image with your friends and family today?



John Boehner and the rest of the Republicans hurt our economy and the whole country needs to know it. To share this with your friends on Facebook or by email today, just click the buttons in the upper-right part of the screen.

http://front.moveon.org/the-tea-party-wont-like-this-pass-it-on/


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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:50 AM
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1. Yes I can and will! K&R nt
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:53 AM
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2. That is exactly how we should frame this.
+1

And all of us should be +1.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:54 AM
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3. k and r
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:56 AM
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4. Thanks! K&R
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:57 AM
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5. someone could use it on a billboard
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 07:30 AM
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18. Let's collect for one. How much does it cost? nt
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:58 AM
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6. The tea party are the foot soldiers/chamber maids for ALEC.
They don't write legislation, but introduce the model legislation that it's corporate bosses wrote for them to introduce.... So you just might want to give credit to the real winners of this destruction of America.... ALEC
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:59 AM
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7. To all the republicans I know
It will go!
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:59 AM
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8. Add Steve Benen's timeline to that:
August 06, 2011 11:05 AMA timeline of events

By Steve Benen

Let’s take a stroll down memory lane, shall we?

1980: Ronald Reagan runs for president, promising a balanced budget

1981 - 1989: With support from congressional Republicans, Reagan runs enormous deficits, adds $2 trillion to the debt.

1993: Bill Clinton passes economic plan that lowers deficit, gets zero votes from congressional Republicans.

1998: U.S. deficit disappears for the first time in three decades. Debt clock is unplugged.

2000: George W. Bush runs for president, promising to maintain a balanced budget.

2001: CBO shows the United States is on track to pay off the entirety of its national debt within a decade.

2001 - 2009: With support from congressional Republicans, Bush runs enormous deficits, adds nearly $5 trillion to the debt.

2002: Dick Cheney declares, “Deficits don’t matter.” Congressional Republicans agree, approving tax cuts, two wars, and Medicare expansion without even trying to pay for them.

2009: Barack Obama inherits $1.3 trillion deficit from Bush; Republicans immediately condemn Obama’s fiscal irresponsibility.

2009: Congressional Democrats unveil several domestic policy initiatives — including health care reform, cap and trade, DREAM Act — which would lower the deficit. GOP opposes all of them, while continuing to push for deficit reduction.

September 2010: In Obama’s first fiscal year, the deficit shrinks by $122 billion. Republicans again condemn Obama’s fiscal irresponsibility.

October 2010: S&P endorses the nation’s AAA rating with a stable outlook, saying the United States looks to be in solid fiscal shape for the foreseeable future.

November 2010: Republicans win a U.S. House majority, citing the need for fiscal responsibility.

December 2010: Congressional Republicans demand extension of Bush tax cuts, relying entirely on deficit financing. GOP continues to accuse Obama of fiscal irresponsibility.

March 2011: Congressional Republicans declare intention to hold full faith and credit of the United States hostage — a move without precedent in American history — until massive debt-reduction plan is approved.

July 2011: Obama offers Republicans a $4 trillion debt-reduction deal. GOP refuses, pushes debt-ceiling standoff until the last possible day, rattling international markets.

August 2011: S&P downgrades U.S. debt, citing GOP refusal to consider new revenues. Republicans rejoice and blame Obama for fiscal irresponsibility.

There have been several instances since the mid 1990s in which I genuinely believed Republican politics couldn’t possibly get more blisteringly ridiculous. I was wrong; they just keep getting worse.

Steve Benen is a contributing writer to the Washington Monthly, joining the publication in August, 2008 as chief blogger for the Washington Monthly blog, Political Animal.



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neoconn Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:03 AM
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14. Great Breakdown!!!
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:22 AM
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21. This should be the start of a new thread! Very concise 30 year history of our budget problems.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 09:47 AM
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34. you left out 3 huge things, NAFTA, Repeal of Glass-Steagall, & Commodity Futures Modernization Act
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 09:48 AM by stockholmer
Those 3 have been devastating in their impact. All were passed under Bill Clinton. Also, the budget was never balanced under Clinton, there was no 'surplus' as intra-governmental borrowing greatly increased. This was simply and accounting gimmick. Doubt me, check the total US debt each year. It went UP each year. It takes BOTH parties (in a 2 party system) to destroy a nation. Both attack from different perspectives, from different schema, but the end result is continuity of agenda.


The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.

- Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope (1966)



Fiscal Year End
Total Debt

09/30/2001
$5,807,463,412,200.06

09/30/2000
$5,674,178,209,886.86

09/30/1999
$5,656,270,901,615.43

09/30/1998
$5,526,193,008,897.62

09/30/1997
$5,413,146,011,397.34

09/30/1996
$5,224,810,939,135.73

09/29/1995
$4,973,982,900,709.39

09/30/1994
$4,692,749,910,013.32

http://quaap.com/D/clinton-surplus-factcheck

There are two kinds of Federal debt: public debt, and intra-governmental debt. Public debt is money owed to the public, ie people who bought US Treasury bonds: regular people, companies, foreign governments, etc. Intra-governmental debt is money owed to the government. This seems to make no sense, but it actually does.

The US government takes in money through normal means like income taxes, and this money goes into the general fund, but they also take in money through secondary means, such as Social Security taxes. These other taxes do not go into the general fund, but instead go into trust funds and are entirely separate. For social security, if more money comes in through the Social Security tax than goes out through Social Security payments, they are required by law to purchase US Treasury bonds with the excess money. So now the Treasury Department owes money to the Social Security Trust Fund (This in itself is not necessarily a bad thing: there is no sense in letting money sit around losing value to inflation). This debt is called intra-governmental debt.

When Factcheck states that there was a surplus, they are looking at only the public debt and are not including the intra-governmental debt. Looked at this way, yes, there was a surplus. So much money was coming in through Social Security taxes (and used to buy Treasury bonds) that the general fund exceeded the budget by several hundred billion.

Is this a valid way to view the matter? After all, the money the government owes itself shouldn't count, right? Well, yes, it should. The social security money was already earmarked for future social security payments, and the Social Security Trust Fund will want to get its money back when it comes time to make more payments. So yes, this is real debt and I can't think of any reason to exclude it.

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It was and is an accounting parlour trick, played by BOTH the Republicans and the Democrats.


as of 07/14/2011

9,750,503,934,099.81 public debt

4,592,449,951,542.17 intra-governmental holdings

14,342,953,885,641.98 total national debt


go here to the US treasury Dept and plug in any dates to see what I mean and where I got that number from http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np


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Fiscal Year .. End Date .. Claimed Surplus .. Public Debt .. Intra-gov Holdings .. Total National Debt

FY1997 .. 09/30/1997 .. n/a .. $3.789667T .. $1.623478T .. $5.413146T

FY1998 .. 09/30/1998 .. $69.2B .. $3.733864T .. $1.792328T .. $5.526193T (increase of $113B)

FY1999 .. 09/30/1999 .. $122.7B .. $3.636104T .. $2.020166T .. $5.656270T (increase of $130.1B)

FY2000 .. 09/29/2000 .. $230.0B .. $3.405303T .. $2.268874T .. $5.674178T (increase of $17.9B)

FY2001 .. 09/28/2001 .. $3.339310T .. $2.468153T .. $2.468153T .. $5.807463T (increase of $133.3B)




http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277530070436823.html

In the late 1990s, the government was running what it -- and a largely unquestioning Washington press corps -- called budget "surpluses." But the national debt still increased in every single one of those years because the government was borrowing money to create the "surpluses."



http://books.google.se/books?id=GAV2ZUZ6qPIC&pg=PA27378&lpg=PA27378&dq=Republicans+are+all+running+this+year+and+next+and+saying+surplus,+surplus.+Look+what+we+have+done.+It+is+false.+The+actual+figures+show+that+from+the+beginning+of+the+fiscal+year+until+now+we+had+to+borrow+$127,800,000,000&source=bl&ots=0Ph4YQaTRF&sig=5leuoRCOaEcY3Y0a26CZvX1LiBo&hl=en&ei=63MhTqHhGI7IswbEnISfAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Republicans%20are%20all%20running%20this%20year%20and%20next%20and%20saying%20surplus%2C%20surplus.%20Look%20what%20we%20have%20done.%20It%20is%20false.%20The%20actual%20figures%20show%20that%20from%20the%20beginning%20of%20the%20fiscal%20year%20until%20now%20we%20had%20to%20borrow%20%24127%2C800%2C000%2C000&f=false

Congressional Record V. 145, Pt. 19, October 26, 1999 to November 3, 1999


So the table itself, according to the figures issued yesterday, showed the Federal Government ran a surplus. Absolutely false. This reporter ought to do his work. This crowd never has asked for or kept up with or checked the facts. Eric Planin--all he has to do is not spread rumors or get into the political message. Both Democrats and Republicans are all running this year and next and saying surplus, surplus. Look what we have done. It is false. The actual figures show that from the beginning of the fiscal year until now we had to borrow $127,800,000,000.


Democratic Senator Ernest Hollings, October 28, 1999

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http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa101500b.htm

An overall "downsizing" of government and a virtual end to the arms race have contributed to the surplus, but the vast majority is coming from excess Social Security taxes being paid by the workforce in an attempt to keep Social Security benefit checks coming once the "baby-boomers" start to retire.


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http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa080899.htm

Of the $142 billion surplus projected by the end of 2000, $137 billion will come from excess Social Security taxes.

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http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1654

When these unified budget numbers are separated into Social Security and non-Social Security components, however, it becomes evident that all of the projected surplus throughout this period is attributable to Social Security. The remainder of the budget will remain in deficit throughout the next decade.


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http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/20/news/economy/social_security_election/index.htm?cnn=yes


Despite a revenue shortfall, full benefits are expected to be paid out between 2017 and 2041. The system will draw on its trust fund, a collection of special-issue bonds from the government, which borrowed prodigiously from the program's surplus over the years. But since the country is already running a deficit, the government will have to borrow more money to pay back its debt to Social Security. That's a little like giving with one hand and taking away with the other.


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Intra-governmental debt is every bit as real as the public debt. It's not canceled out simply because the government owes the money to itself.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/30/AR2009033003291.html

The Treasury Department has for decades borrowed money from the Social Security trust fund to finance government operations. If it is no longer able to do so, it could be forced to borrow an additional $700 billion over the next decade from China, Japan and other investors. And at some point, perhaps as early as 2017, according to the CBO, the Treasury would have to start repaying the billions it has borrowed from the trust fund over the past 25 years, driving the nation further into debt or forcing Congress to raise taxes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/31/politics/washingtonpost/main4906936.shtml
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 11:36 AM
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39. publikkklans have been hijacked by a virulent brand of ayn randians
taking them from fiscally responsible to dead beats.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 12:00 PM
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9. Facebooked it
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 12:16 PM
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10. Shared. Kick. Rec. n/t
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 12:23 PM
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11. shared, K & R. bookmarked for madamesilverspurs timeline also.
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 01:01 PM
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12. Shared. K & R n/t
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:43 PM
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13. K&R..
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:56 AM
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15. as if obama and the dems had nothing to do with it.
this is an old blame game and the people always lose.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 07:24 AM
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17. sure. we all had something to do with it but the teabaggers and their leaders on radio took it over
the edge
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 09:30 AM
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31.  this is an old blame game
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 09:31 AM by AlbertCat
No... you're playing the old False Equivalency Game....

and it's disingenuous and full of crap.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 09:56 AM
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35. +1
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 07:02 AM
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16. The Tea Party, Boner, Can 't-her, and Mc CON nel....
must prove to me and the American people they're NOT racist.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 07:37 AM
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19. The ugly truth about RepubliBaggerism: crapping on America
Ptooey.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 07:38 AM
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20. They should have stuck to teabagging
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:26 AM
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22. "Those damn Liberals at Standard and Poor's!!!!!!"

Begging Pardon, but what total fucking morons.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:32 AM
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23. Tea party is too stubborn and stupid to care
They think raising the debt ceiling was an invitation to spend more not to honor the debts already incurred by wars, downturn and Bush. They also still believe the birther crap....at least my particularly idiotic east coast family members do. (So happy to live far away from their insanity.)
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:35 AM
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24. Don't like it? They love it!
They pretend to be outraged (blaming Obama, of course), but they can barely contain their excitement. For all their flaghumping, teabaggers HATE America, and anything that hurts the great majority of the American people has them creaming their pants.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 09:44 AM
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33. This is the REAL truth about the tea party we don't want to admit...
...because then we'd have to DO something about it, and realize it's not the sort of problem that gets better by either pissing and moaning or pretending that they're rational, functional human beings willing to cooperate for mutual survival.
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Stellar Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:43 AM
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25. “tea party downgrade”
Yep, pass it on!
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yesphan Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:52 AM
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26. K & R nt
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:54 AM
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27. Just like the Teabaggers, some here in DU are also blaming it all on Obama.
Amazing, indeed!!

Nevertheless, MoveOn got it right this time, and I'm proud to sign the petition.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 10:07 AM
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36. only a fool would blame it ALL on Obama and the Congressional Democrats, but they dance to the death
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 10:08 AM by stockholmer
tune along with the Republicans on the the huge increases in spending (increases that far offset the odious Bush tax cuts). A perfect example of this is the Dems failure to reduce the disastrous empiric military/police state spending (at least $1.2 trillion per year), as well an utter refusal to institute a .5% to 1% Tobin Tax on all financial market turnover (with the first $1 million exempted). A huge chunk of the USA's GDP is composed of non-productive financial speculation, and this goes largely untaxed, thus allowing the banksters to further consolidated wealth.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:12 PM
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40. AMEN!!! +1,000,000!!!!! n/t
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 09:17 AM
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28. Yeah...well we have about the same chance of seeing them take responsibility for this...
...that we have of seeing the ultra left version of the teabaggers that hang out on DU, take responsibility for putting us all here in the first place by siphoning off enough votes in 2000 to hand control of the US budget over to Cheney and Rove for 8 years.

Just in case everyone forgot...there was and actual budget surplus before that all took place,

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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 09:34 AM
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32. siphoning off enough votes in 2000 to hand control of the US
Uh....

Gore WON in 2000....

Are you saying the Supreme Court is Ultra Left and hangs out here?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 09:19 AM
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29. k & r!
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 09:25 AM
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30. Shared on FB...

... now waiting for the firestorm of "comments" under the link/image. Hey, I AM in South Dakota, home of Tea Farty Rep. Kristi Noem, the farm subsidy queen.
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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 10:49 AM
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37. I don't know...
...which is worse, the extremism and intransigence of the 'tea party' that has brought us to this sorry place, or the fact that the bastards are proud of it.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 11:20 AM
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38. I wonder how many millionaires
would trade their Bush tax cuts for their losses in the markets now.
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