What happened here (enrichment of the mega-rich at the expense of the rest) is what brings Communism

[Sarah Ibarruri]

I am from a country that became Communist BECAUSE of the capitalist corruption.

Corruption by the mega-rich, brought to you by their lackeys, has been happening here for the past 31 years.

[Throd]

1. Trading one pile of shit for another

[izquierdista]

4. You've heard the old joke?

In American hell, you stand in line to get your three bowls of shit a day. In Soviet hell, they always run out of shit before you get to the front of the line.

[RKP5637]

2. What do you think we will see next? IMO capitalistic corruption is now

at an all time high. I wonder how much more people are going to take. There are millions of people being hurt in this country and their stories are masked out of the news by MSM for the most part. There is a tremendous undercurrent IMO of PO'ed people.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. I don't know how much more Americans will take. Americans have been trained to take a LOT of shit

So I suspect they will take shit until people are actually dying out there on the street, and even then!..

[rug]

3. One can only hope.

[truedelphi]

5. Except the way that the Milton Friedman, "shock doctrine" economy works is

That once it is installed (consider the US version of it installed as of beginning of this week) the nations involved skip over the "Communistic phase" and go right to either a military junta and/or a mafia run enterprise.

Look at Chile after Allende was taken out.

Look at Russia after the "coup" attempts there in mid nineties.

For real understanding of what I mean, watch the "Shock Doctrine" documentary on video or over the internet. Very scary, carefully researched, and it is prophetic as far as what will happen here.

[RKP5637]

8. My fear is that could easily happen here, "and go right to either a military junta and/or a mafia

run enterprise." We have all of the ingredients, and I still think many Americans are plodding along thinking all will be fine. The reason I say the latter is Americans have never faced a major upheaval in this country in recent times and the technology to suppress the masses into whatever is far superior to any other time in history IMO.

[dgibby]

14. I'll go with the Mafia if I get to choose.

At least they haven't been infiltrated by the Talibornagain loons.

[RKP5637]

18. Yeah, and they do have a sense of fairness. n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

21. Pardon the French, but it sucks donkey, doesn't it? nt

[RagAss]

6. Yes......Suddenly.

[The Wielding Truth]

7. It's very bad for the middle class,equal rights and stability.

It's anti-constitutional and it is lethal to authentic democratic republics.
The republicans have been used for their bull headed selfishness and we have been used for our trust in our fellow man.
We have to hope that Pres.Obama and our Democratic representatives will pull the rug out from under the republican march to destroy our democracy.It can't be too late.

[dgibby]

15. I don't think that "hope" thing has been working too well for us. n/t

[Joe Bacon]

9. No, Rick Perry will be our Pinochet.

The rich have wanted Fascism ever since they failed in their coup against FDR. They have quietly worked since Butler exposed them to establish a Christian Fascist state and they will achieve it when they install Rick Perry as President.

[RKP5637]

11. I have this nagging fear my remaining years in America are not

going to be very pleasant. I see tremendous upheaval coming down the road and I could see the Bush for 8 years crowd voting in someone like Perry. Many Americans really like dumb leaders and some really want a Christian Fascist state. These are very unstable times IMO.

[dgibby]

17. I've been thinking the same thing.

I told my sister the other day that our golden years are going to be a nightmare. I feel for her children and grandchildren. So sad to think they'll never get to know what a great country we could have been.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. A near-illiterate. Typical Repuke. nt

[socialist_n_TN]

10. Well I've always said that the best recruiter for Marxism

is the capitalist system.

[RKP5637]

12. Yes, it is, it definitely is, particularly the type of capitalism we have now. I just

have difficulty thinking millions of Americans being shit on, with the wealth cornered by a few percent, really think, hey, this capitalistic system is great.

[socialist_n_TN]

13. I know that a lot of people

and maybe you yourself disagree, but to me this is the end result of the capitalist system anyway. Capitalism is like a Monopoly game. It concentrates wealth until one person has it all.

[RKP5637]

16. I agree, that is at the heart of capitalism, maximum greed, winner takes all. It's really

not about fairness and what's best for the entire group, rather, it rewards selfishness, greed and sociopathic like behavior.

Problem with all systems, IMO, is the same thing can happen. I think humans are wired for greed, some more, some less. That said, in a capitalistic system the rewards are great for reinforcement of the traits that eventually destroy a capitalistic system.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

25. Yep. There's nothing fair about capitalism because it gives the reins to the mega-rich always nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

23. No doubt about that! nt

[Loge23]

19. Whatever, but it sure seems we're in a world of shit right now.

Many posters on these pages have been saying this for years, but it sure seems that that day has indeed arrived. The country is dead. The political system is hopelessly corrupt. The elected representatives do not speak for the people.
Where do we go from here?
It will be an very interesting short term future.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

24. Yep, and from third world nation can come dictatorship or Communism

I frankly prefer Communism to dictatorship. In dictatorship (and my country went from third world nation capitalistic dictatorship to Commmunism), a lot of people (even very young people of 16) were tortured to death, dropped from planes into the ocean, electrocuted into talking, pregnant and not, even had their vaginas electrocuted, their nails removed, their backs beaten till it was a red Jell-o, and much more.

[metalbot]

26. Communism doesn't have a great humanitarian track record

China? Soviet Union? North Korea? Vietnam? Cuba? Lao?

We're not really looking at a who's who of humanitarianism. To suggest that communism is historically any less brutal than your average dictatorship is intellectually dishonest. At best, there's indication that communist regimes mellow out slightly when they re-embrace controlled capitalism (as in China and Vietnam).

Maybe you can come up with a shining example of how communists do things right, but I can point to examples of benevolent dictators too...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

27. I'm pointing out that that's the progression. Capitalism leads to 3rd world, dictatorship...

and Communism.

Capitalism does not last because it's based on profit only, and therefore puts the mega-rich at the controls, at the expense of the rest.

[LooseWilly]

28. Won't bring communism as long as the not-so-rich won't give up faith in 401Ks...

As long as they hold their faith... they will be able to keep their "retirement"... such as it is.