20 guys from SEAL TEAM 6 - OBL's capturers, were killed in todays planecrash.

[elehhhhna]

houston chronicle just now
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/military/7685948.html

[krispos42]

1. I wonder if this is luck, then.

Or if they were targeting Team 6.


Probably just bad luck, but with their human intelligence network, you never know.



Dammit. :-(

[RamboLiberal]

3. I bet they were targetted

Betrayed by someone.

[krispos42]

7. Even if it was luck, they (the Taliban and/or Al Qaeda) will never admit it n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

48. My guess is luck - and you're absolutely right. They'll never admit it.

Damn. :-( Can we please leave now?

[The Backlash Cometh]

76. Yes they will.

Just give them time.

I hope an investigation will determine how it happened.

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[FourScore]

88. "None of the 22 SEAL personnel killed in the crash were part of the team that killed bin Laden...

...in a May raid in Pakistan."

The Unit may have been targeted if info was released. It also could also be a coincidence. In any case, they didn't get the guys who killed OBL.

[Bosonic]

34. Just hope the ISI wasn't involved

Would be difficult to keep a lid on that situation

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10302946

[peacetalksforall]

70. Exactly!!! Most likely it was the Taliban, but with all we know about our leaders - it could have

been a take down.

[lonestarnot]

2. Fucking A.

:patriot:

[thewiseguy]

4. Oh my goodness...It was the Seal Team 6? This is just devastating...

[sasha031]

5. this is just so sad, my heart goes out to their families

;(
RIP Team 6

[Pooka Fey]

6. Umm, that's wierd.

RIP and condolences to their family members.

[Gin]

11. The Va Pilot paper said they were "shot down".....not seeing that

on the news...just that they crashed.

Rest in Peace to all who died.

[Posteritatis]

19. BBC News is saying "shot down" now as well. (nt)

[CleanGreenFuture]

8. Just saw this elsewhere and was about to post. I don't know what to say.

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. Oh man, that's just awful.

Enlighten me - how many members are on each Seal Team?

Jesus, that is so sad. Ugh.

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[WinkyDink]

10. Since when are these personnel ID'ed to the public as such?

[dkf]

12. Maybe they were on another mission.

How awful.

[malaise]

13. This is awful

I hope Obama makes a big deal of this tragedy - there should be national mourning

[Ohio Joe]

14. RIP - nt

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[glinda]

18. What percent is that of the team? Wonder if they had a dog on board.

[RamboLiberal]

20. yes a dog & handler on board

Wonder if OBL mission dog?

[glinda]

25. They train several dogs. Somehow I would think it odd to send the

same people in and same dog. My guess they are all trained specifically for each event. I could be wrong but if they have to use the same crew they are not well staffed.

[RamboLiberal]

29. you are probably right

[thewiseguy]

21. There was a dog on board. The overall size of team 6 is somewhere between 150-300

So 10-20% of the team have been perished. But keep in mind the exact size of the Seal Team 6 is classified information.

[RamboLiberal]

42. I'm thinking probably not OBL team

Still a big loss for 6.

[Inuca]

22. OMG!! n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

23. I'm so sorry for them, and their friends and families. :^(

[placton]

24. thanks Obama!

for continuing your wars and killing american heroes!!!

[glinda]

26. No kidding. Blame is also with many others.

[thewiseguy]

27. Why did they stuff 25 Team 6 Seal members in one Chinook?

and why were these Team 6 Seal Members in a helicopter with Afghan special forces?

The team 6 seals are the elite of elite. This is just gross mismanagement and incompetence.

[PavePusher]

84. WTH?

Do you know anything about how various special forces operate?

Or about aircraft capacities?

[neverforget]

28. I wonder if there was a leak of classified info from the Afghans?

Taliban revenge for killing OBL? Or was it just shitty luck?

[RamboLiberal]

30. I'm betting leak & revenge

[neverforget]

31. That's what I'm betting on too.

[blizz]

32. There is no way to ever know if it was 20 seal team 6 members

its classified.

[RamboLiberal]

38. its all over the news it was 6 members

[Little Star]

33. Makes me want to cry! Bring them all home now!!!

[zappaman]

35. Awful news

Just horrible for these men and their families.
Shame on posters who try to insinuate these men were killed because "they knew too much".

[Aerows]

36. If I was a conspiracy theorist

I'd suggest this was clean up due to the fact that OBL was already dead, and had been for a long time.

Since I'm not, however, I'll just say this is terrible. It still seems suspicious, and if they truly were 20 from Team Six, I would imagine that there was a leak somewhere and this was a revenge killing.

[zappaman]

39. Suspicious?

Soldiers dying in combat is suspicious?
Unfuckingbelievable.

[Aerows]

47. It's odd that it's so many members of seal team six

I'm not going to sit here and pretend I've had a lobotomy just to keep some people from getting offended. It looks suspicious to me, and judging from the thread, a lot of people think so.

I truly feel badly for the families of these people, and it's a blow to our country. It doesn't even cross your mind that some of our enemies would especially like to demoralize us by killing the men that got OBL?

[zappaman]

49. It's the idea that our own government killed them because "they knew too much"

that many posters here are insinuating that is bullshit.
whether or not the taliban specifically targeted them may be a different story.

[Aerows]

51. Hence why I said "IF" I was a conspiracy theorist

I don't see it as tinfoil hattery to question whether this was a specifically targeted attack.

[zappaman]

53. I agree

it's the "dead men tell no tales" posters who insinuate that the US government had them killed that should piss off anyone with half a brain.
RIP soldiers.

[JVS]

52. Yeah, having a skeptical attitude toward authority is fucking bullshit!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

63. +

[krabigirl]

71. +1

[arikara]

87. +2

n/t

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[FourScore]

89. The article says none of the guys who killed OBL were on the copter. n/t

[grahamhgreen]

74. Agreed

[Fleshdancer]

37. I don't know what to say

Wow. Just...wow. My heart breaks for their families and friends. What are the odds?

[spanone]

40. if we weren't there they would be alive....get us the fuck out NOW

[zappaman]

41. +1000! n/t

[Broderick]

43. Some disturbing posts in this thread

[zappaman]

45. no kidding.

Our soldiers are dead and people can't wait to promote their own fanciful bullshit conspiracy theories.
Disgusting.

[Rex]

54. Including yours, I agree.

[thewiseguy]

44. CBS news is saying they were not members of Seal Team 6?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/06/earlyshow/saturday/main20089003.shtml?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel

[Enrique]

46. how can they report that they're not?

How can they state such a thing so authoritatively as that?

[bluestate10]

55. How can the OP authoritatively state there were members aboard?

At this moment, it all boils down to what you want to believe. Is that not so?

[Enrique]

69. the OP didn't do that

it followed the normal conventions of a news story, it qualified the reporting by saying "that's according to..." That's missing from the CBS story.

[Modern_Matthew]

56. I hate conflicting reports. nt

[thewiseguy]

61. AP saying they were from the Team 6 but officials do not believe they participated in the OBL raid

http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110806/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_us_afghanistan_seals

I am inclined to believe they were indeed Seals from the team 6 at this point.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Well there are three possiblitities here

1.- OpSec failure aka leak... possible but.

2.- They were on a mission and the Taliban got lucky. Hey they probably still have some of the man portable missiles we gave them to shoot down Hinds...

3.- Insert conspiracy theory here.

I am inclined to think worst case a combo of one and two.

Best case, one.

And it sucks anyway.

[thewiseguy]

57. NewYork Times is saying a RPG brought down the helicopter...

I do not understand why a group of Navy Seals will be raiding a complex where militants are supposed to gather? They could have just used a drone and leveled the compound.

Unless the seals were in a mission to grab somebody (There was a dog on board) and they were caught by an ambush.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. You answered your question, they were on a grab mission

and I will now say that if it was an RPG... they were flying low and slow, hovering perhaps.

[thewiseguy]

62. NATO said it was a raid on a compound were militants were gathering

I do not think you would send in the seals from team 6 on such a mission.

It looks like an ambush with someone back in the HQ tipping off the militants.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. Oh you send Special Forces on this

it looks it wasn't ST 6. But that is who you send.

And if it was an RPG, that bird was low and slow. Anybody good enough with an RPG can bring it down. Same thing happened at Mogadishu... the blackhawk was brought down by an RPG

I was thinking shot down, altitude.

[PavePusher]

85. On the contrary, this is exactly one of the mission types they do.

Jebus, the ignorance is strong around here today.

[cliffordu]

66. Mulla Omar??? maybe that Al zwahiri fella?? (sp)

That dude that rolled with Bin Laden....

Maybe a snatch operation that was intercepted by the Taliban.....

[RamboLiberal]

79. more I read I think it was got lucky

Maybe a leak. I put no stock in 3.

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. I offered three since you know some people are thinking

that...

Knowing how this works, somebody had a quick trigger with an RPG

[Broderick]

60. Condolences to the families

[Lex]

64. But we don't know if it was the exact same guys who captured OBL, just the same unit, right?

:shrug:

[thewiseguy]

65. It is not the same exact guys according to the latest news but the same unit

[Lex]

68. ok, that's what I thought I read as well

thanks

[peacetalksforall]

72. NPR said Seals. That was about 1 to 2 hours ago - I'm listening to something else now.

[Lex]

73. thanks, it was answered by another poster

:hi:

[bvar22]

75. I grieve for these useless deaths.

NOW GET THE FUCK OUT!

At least Ronal Reagan had the good sense to get Americans OUT of Middle eastern Countries where they were NOT wanted.
Ronald Reagan Cut & Ran when the Marine Barracks was bombed in Lebanon in 1983.
As much as Obama admires Reagan,
he should follow his leadership in refusing to waste American Lives to useless WARS!

GET THE FUCK OUT TODAY!

[Imajika]

77. Wow, this is a terrible loss...

..for the special operations community. So many dead at once in one successful enemy attack. The Talibunnies definitely drew blood today. Very sad.

[RagAss]

78. Rest in Peace, Brave Souls.

[wtm]

80. Whats real?

When the Seal lead raid on Osama Bin Laden's compound began its egress there were witnesses who described how the helicopter destroyed on site was actually airborne with a number of Seal 6 aboard when it was hit with an explosive launched from the ground. Our government refused to respond to this incident. I find it curious now that Seal 6 has taken a tragic insult and the government's very open and candid press coverage. To eliminate criticism one must always have a plan b.

[unblock]

82. NOT the same people, although from the same unit.

per the article.

[seabeyond]

83. i am so sad, for the loss. nt

[w8liftinglady]

86. I nearly cried at work when I heard this

I hugged a co-worker who is an OEF vet...he took it hard.